BigSoftieFF said: And of course if there was a 3* character that punished 4* rosters on a simple match three everyone would be great with that right?Carry on believing that 5* people want to continue to beat down small rosters when we can’t even qqq them till we’re at 900 or above.
DAZ0273 said: BigSoftieFF said: And of course if there was a 3* character that punished 4* rosters on a simple match three everyone would be great with that right?Carry on believing that 5* people want to continue to beat down small rosters when we can’t even qqq them till we’re at 900 or above. Let's nerf Bishop, no problem. Let us also nerf Kitty too. I am on board.
DAZ0273 said: tiomono said: DAZ0273 said: The rockett said: Hey @Brigby @Demiurge_Anthony @LakeStone Is the Dev team aware of these concerns? Any questions or comments? Hey @Brigby @Demiurge_Anthony @LakeStone if Bishop is nerfed can we please also at least address the Kitty Pryde yellow power issue as well that probably affects Waaaaaay more of your playerbase? Thank you. Adress it with what? A 4 star counter? Like say prowler, sabertooth, thanos, kraven, magik, Emma (ha ha), dazzler, juggernaut, mehulk, etc etc etc, that all give you special removal, steal, boardshake, resistance vs match damage etc etc you get the idea. Or maybe a 5 star counter like bssm, thorkoye (who actually out damage and out sustain gritty), or iceman with his cheap stun and damage mitigation.The only kitties that are a problem in the 4 star tier are ones well covered. If they are not well covered they are easily countered by a large variety of strategies and characters. And if they are well covered that player is progressing into 5* play and should have an easier time beating players that are still not progressing into 5* play. If you made it fully into 3* play and had a couple of 4*'s at 10+ covers you should be able to beat anything the 3* tier tosses at you easily. But 4* champ teams should be a struggle. You would not expect to then transition into the 4* tier by champing a few 4's and have to figure out a strategy to deal with a 3* character because he makes every match for you a gamble would you? This is what's happening to the 5* players with bishop. I bet you are a 5* player who uses Kitty all the time and you think that means you can dismiss the lower tier play based on that. Why can't I ask for a Kitty nerf when you ask for Bishop? You ask for Bishop nerf, I will ask for Kitty nerf. You can keep telling me how much you deserve to keep Kitty and I will keep telling you the opposite. And if there was a player vote over MPQ based in which is the bigger issue, I bet you that nerfing Kitty would win because Bishop is a 5* issue and nobody else gives a stuff. As long as there is R4G there are other speed teams for 4* and ThorKoye is the 5* way to go. Die Kitty, die.
tiomono said: DAZ0273 said: The rockett said: Hey @Brigby @Demiurge_Anthony @LakeStone Is the Dev team aware of these concerns? Any questions or comments? Hey @Brigby @Demiurge_Anthony @LakeStone if Bishop is nerfed can we please also at least address the Kitty Pryde yellow power issue as well that probably affects Waaaaaay more of your playerbase? Thank you. Adress it with what? A 4 star counter? Like say prowler, sabertooth, thanos, kraven, magik, Emma (ha ha), dazzler, juggernaut, mehulk, etc etc etc, that all give you special removal, steal, boardshake, resistance vs match damage etc etc you get the idea. Or maybe a 5 star counter like bssm, thorkoye (who actually out damage and out sustain gritty), or iceman with his cheap stun and damage mitigation.The only kitties that are a problem in the 4 star tier are ones well covered. If they are not well covered they are easily countered by a large variety of strategies and characters. And if they are well covered that player is progressing into 5* play and should have an easier time beating players that are still not progressing into 5* play. If you made it fully into 3* play and had a couple of 4*'s at 10+ covers you should be able to beat anything the 3* tier tosses at you easily. But 4* champ teams should be a struggle. You would not expect to then transition into the 4* tier by champing a few 4's and have to figure out a strategy to deal with a 3* character because he makes every match for you a gamble would you? This is what's happening to the 5* players with bishop.
DAZ0273 said: The rockett said: Hey @Brigby @Demiurge_Anthony @LakeStone Is the Dev team aware of these concerns? Any questions or comments? Hey @Brigby @Demiurge_Anthony @LakeStone if Bishop is nerfed can we please also at least address the Kitty Pryde yellow power issue as well that probably affects Waaaaaay more of your playerbase? Thank you.
The rockett said: Hey @Brigby @Demiurge_Anthony @LakeStone Is the Dev team aware of these concerns? Any questions or comments?
BigSoftieFF said: Only nerf Kitty needs is on Purple. The instant overwrite is a bit much and makes some PvP events feel ridiculous.
dkffiv said: A_Wise_Man said: I agree that it's really a rocket problem, not a bishop problem. Rocket has been an issue for forever, kitty just makes it worse. Bishop was designed to counter rocket teams, hence rocket being the problem. Easy fix for him is to have him make tiles passively like daken or valkyrie or 5* daredevil or something, not just drop a million strikes on turn 1. Bishop is more difficult because hes actually not that great other than his automatic stun in response to match damage and hitting back 2x for all the damage he has taken. Hed likely need his whole kit retooled. Just not having him jump in front might work though. Build up AP and nuke him in one turn so no hitting back or stunning. 4 star guys could still use him to counter rocket teams if he tanks for the team as well. Rocket is not the problem, Rocket actually makes Bishop easier to beat. The AI prioritizes using the most expensive ability and thus defaults to Rocket's blue over Bishop's. You can bring your own Kitty, BSSM (or Sabretooth if you don't mind dropping a tier) to neutralize the strike tiles. The problem is Bishop as the only blue user (Valk/Kitty) or with another blue stunner (Doctor Strange most commonly) your entire team ends up stunned and the AI has free reign over the board. The four turn stun is way too long, if it was 1 turn like Miles/BSSM it'd be much easier to play around.
A_Wise_Man said: I agree that it's really a rocket problem, not a bishop problem. Rocket has been an issue for forever, kitty just makes it worse. Bishop was designed to counter rocket teams, hence rocket being the problem. Easy fix for him is to have him make tiles passively like daken or valkyrie or 5* daredevil or something, not just drop a million strikes on turn 1. Bishop is more difficult because hes actually not that great other than his automatic stun in response to match damage and hitting back 2x for all the damage he has taken. Hed likely need his whole kit retooled. Just not having him jump in front might work though. Build up AP and nuke him in one turn so no hitting back or stunning. 4 star guys could still use him to counter rocket teams if he tanks for the team as well.
DAZ0273 said: Hey @Brigby @Demiurge_Anthony @LakeStone if Bishop is nerfed can we please also at least address the Kitty Pryde yellow power issue as well that probably affects Waaaaaay more of your playerbase? Thank you.
DAZ0273 said: I don't want Bishop nerfed. It isn't really rocket science.
Sm0keyJ0e said: DAZ0273 said: I don't want Bishop nerfed. It isn't really rocket science. Get a 5* champed and you will change your tune...
HoundofShadow said: How was is it derived thar Bishop was meant to counter R4G?Please don't tell me it's because R4G allows his team to deal high match damage from the beginning; and Bishop punishes them for that.