BigSoftieFF said: I was given some advice for how to handle Bishop in the chat last night but have no desire post it here as it’s honestly kind of unbelievable 😂
tiomono said: BigSoftieFF said: I was given some advice for how to handle Bishop in the chat last night but have no desire post it here as it’s honestly kind of unbelievable 😂 Oh well now I want to know. That's a good teaser right there.
sambrookjm said: tiomono said: BigSoftieFF said: I was given some advice for how to handle Bishop in the chat last night but have no desire post it here as it’s honestly kind of unbelievable 😂 Oh well now I want to know. That's a good teaser right there. BigSoftieFF's Last Theorem - "It is entirely possible for a team to handle Bishop. I have a truly marvelous demonstration of this proposition which this chat log is too narrow to contain."
grunth13 said: The rockett said: Borstock said: The rockett said: It is sad that this Dev team cannot spot a broken character that needs fixed. It is not surprising because it took so many months for them to fix Gambit even though everyone was telling them how broken he was. Who says they can't?It should once again be mentioned that the goals of the player and the goals of the devs are not the same thing. I pretty much always assume that a character is working as intended until patched. Even then, we can assume their intentions for the fix, but I doubt we can know for sure, even if an explanation is offered on the forums. A character that is "broken" for the players is not necessarily "broken" for a dev. While I understand what you are getting at and understand your point, if the Dev team thinks he is fine then they seriously do not understand the 5* game. And if that is the case, that is even more scarier then the current set up of Bishop. I think what he means is a match against bishop is going to cause you to use between 1 and 3 health packs which to the dev's means $. Remember, the reason Oml was nerfed was because "too many people were using him for too many matches" meaning he was causing the players to not have to use health packs.
The rockett said: Borstock said: The rockett said: It is sad that this Dev team cannot spot a broken character that needs fixed. It is not surprising because it took so many months for them to fix Gambit even though everyone was telling them how broken he was. Who says they can't?It should once again be mentioned that the goals of the player and the goals of the devs are not the same thing. I pretty much always assume that a character is working as intended until patched. Even then, we can assume their intentions for the fix, but I doubt we can know for sure, even if an explanation is offered on the forums. A character that is "broken" for the players is not necessarily "broken" for a dev. While I understand what you are getting at and understand your point, if the Dev team thinks he is fine then they seriously do not understand the 5* game. And if that is the case, that is even more scarier then the current set up of Bishop.
Borstock said: The rockett said: It is sad that this Dev team cannot spot a broken character that needs fixed. It is not surprising because it took so many months for them to fix Gambit even though everyone was telling them how broken he was. Who says they can't?It should once again be mentioned that the goals of the player and the goals of the devs are not the same thing. I pretty much always assume that a character is working as intended until patched. Even then, we can assume their intentions for the fix, but I doubt we can know for sure, even if an explanation is offered on the forums. A character that is "broken" for the players is not necessarily "broken" for a dev.
The rockett said: It is sad that this Dev team cannot spot a broken character that needs fixed. It is not surprising because it took so many months for them to fix Gambit even though everyone was telling them how broken he was.
BigSoftieFF said: tiomono said: BigSoftieFF said: I was given some advice for how to handle Bishop in the chat last night but have no desire post it here as it’s honestly kind of unbelievable 😂 Oh well now I want to know. That's a good teaser right there. sambrookjm said: tiomono said: BigSoftieFF said: I was given some advice for how to handle Bishop in the chat last night but have no desire post it here as it’s honestly kind of unbelievable 😂 Oh well now I want to know. That's a good teaser right there. BigSoftieFF's Last Theorem - "It is entirely possible for a team to handle Bishop. I have a truly marvelous demonstration of this proposition which this chat log is too narrow to contain." PM’s sent
The rockett said: grunth13 said: The rockett said: Borstock said: The rockett said: It is sad that this Dev team cannot spot a broken character that needs fixed. It is not surprising because it took so many months for them to fix Gambit even though everyone was telling them how broken he was. Who says they can't?It should once again be mentioned that the goals of the player and the goals of the devs are not the same thing. I pretty much always assume that a character is working as intended until patched. Even then, we can assume their intentions for the fix, but I doubt we can know for sure, even if an explanation is offered on the forums. A character that is "broken" for the players is not necessarily "broken" for a dev. While I understand what you are getting at and understand your point, if the Dev team thinks he is fine then they seriously do not understand the 5* game. And if that is the case, that is even more scarier then the current set up of Bishop. I think what he means is a match against bishop is going to cause you to use between 1 and 3 health packs which to the dev's means $. Remember, the reason Oml was nerfed was because "too many people were using him for too many matches" meaning he was causing the players to not have to use health packs. Oh I know this fully. I was hoping somebody had to old Health Pack picture that... man I can’t remember the guys name that did the MPQ parody release posters... cause that’s what this is. They know it isn’t good for the game but it is good for health pack purchases. Edit: Found it. daveomite made them. Search HP suck and have a nice walk/laugh down memory lane.
tiomono said: I feel like thorkoye laughs in the face of the healthpack drain excuse we players often use to suggest why things are nerfed or left alone.
Daredevil217 said: tiomono said: I feel like thorkoye laughs in the face of the healthpack drain excuse we players often use to suggest why things are nerfed or left alone. I don’t. I mentioned earlier why they won’t get nerfed. As an aside, I just had a realization today that really bummed me out. As I’m preparing to drop 400 pulls on the X-Men Latest Legends store, and thinking of all the three-person combos I can play them on; it occurs to me that I no longer run 5* teams in Sim/ pick-3 PVP. If I run three 5*, then that means no Gritshop on defense, which means getting hammered relentlessly and possibly not hitting progression rewards. Having to end with Bishop is one thing. It makes sense to have your best defense out. But not being able to climb with 5* teams that you worked super hard to build up, all because of one broken 4*, really sucks. The fact that the developers are clueless about how much of a pain he is sucks more. And to be clear, I was one who ran all sorts of teams. Not just Gritty or Thorkoye. I’d always end with my best defense, but would mix and match all sorts of characters along the way. Now, if I want my best defense, I can no longer play those teams. I mean I did T50 Sim and got T10 in earths mightiest without even trying thanks to no one wanting to touch Bishop, so I guess that’s a plus? Still, the game is much less fun now thanks to Bish.
tiomono said: I meant thorkoye kind of disproves the idea of characters saving healthpacks means they will get nerfed. They are fairly sustainable for long stretches without needing to heal.
Warbringa said: Well I have Bishop with Strange and Daredevil in SIm and get hammered by 5* teams, so not sure what all the people saying he is impossible to beat are about? I understand Bishop and Gritty combo is ridiculous but unlike everyone complaining here, there are many 5* teams that apparently beat Bishop teams, this last Sim proved that to me as I got hammered in the last few days. Only about 1/2 of those teams had a Bishop on them as well. I also got attacked many times through the Sim season (not just at the end) with Bishop on defense. So perhaps it is high level Bishops that people are having issues with? Mine is only around 287 or so I believe. I used the team though for offense and it was very effective with all of the stun capability and damage. I probably successfully defended 1 out of 3 attacks on me give or take a bit. Lots of Okoye teams with various combinations were able to defeat me. Several Gritty combos were also able to beat me. Saw some Silver Surfer use too.My big issue is once you get close to the top of sim, all that you see is Bishop/Gritty. You have to really punch down and play low point matches to not see that team combo.
dkffiv said: Warbringa said: Well I have Bishop with Strange and Daredevil in SIm and get hammered by 5* teams, so not sure what all the people saying he is impossible to beat are about? I understand Bishop and Gritty combo is ridiculous but unlike everyone complaining here, there are many 5* teams that apparently beat Bishop teams, this last Sim proved that to me as I got hammered in the last few days. Only about 1/2 of those teams had a Bishop on them as well. I also got attacked many times through the Sim season (not just at the end) with Bishop on defense. So perhaps it is high level Bishops that people are having issues with? Mine is only around 287 or so I believe. I used the team though for offense and it was very effective with all of the stun capability and damage. I probably successfully defended 1 out of 3 attacks on me give or take a bit. Lots of Okoye teams with various combinations were able to defeat me. Several Gritty combos were also able to beat me. Saw some Silver Surfer use too.My big issue is once you get close to the top of sim, all that you see is Bishop/Gritty. You have to really punch down and play low point matches to not see that team combo. The difference is if your Bishop has enough hp to generate 30 blue ap or not. If its only 10 or 20 the entire team isnt stunned.