Nerf Bishop

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  • The rockett
    The rockett Posts: 2,016 Chairperson of the Boards
    And at 2000 in sim.  Guess what 95% of the teams are?   Bishop, Kitty and Rockett & Groot. Not shocking at all.  Has been the same for the past many seasons and will continue to be for many more.  
  • helix72
    helix72 Posts: 1,000 Chairperson of the Boards
    Just to see what all the fuss is about, I decided in the Fatal Attraction PvP rather than shielding to leave out a defensive team of champed Bishop, champed and boosted Peggy, and max-champed and boosted Daken after hitting 925 with about 14 hours to go.

    I ended the event at 745 points. I lost 8 defensive matches for every 2 I won.

    Is there some reason he wasn’t the defensive god for me that everyone seems to think he is?
  • justsing
    justsing Posts: 512 Critical Contributor
    Bishop + Peggy is easy to beat with 4*s, so people don’t have to worry about triggering Bishop with every single match-3
  • helix72
    helix72 Posts: 1,000 Chairperson of the Boards
    You are correct, I am a 4* player, but was attacked by others with multiple 5* champs. If there’s a way to see the exact team they used against me, I’m not aware of it.

    I understand it is only an issue for 5* players attacking a Bishop team. However, from what you say, what I apparently missed in the previous 32 pages of posts was that I too have to have a 5* roster to go with Bishop on defense for it to matter. I thought the issue was just 5* rosters fighting Bishop. Though I’ll have to go back and read because it’s not clear to me how having a 5* attacker only matters in the Bishop conversation if I am a 5* defender.
  • Daredevil217
    Daredevil217 Posts: 4,025 Chairperson of the Boards
    Daredevil217 said:
    HoundofShadow said:
    Since there are players who said that the devs is not going to nerf Bishop, then you either adapt or ignore whatever have been suggested and pay the skip tax

    A max champed 4* (majority of them) highest match is 170. So you can do a match 3 or match 4 without triggering his jumping in front, depending on his level. 

    Find out what's his damage threshold for jumping in front and adapt accordingly.

    Use a 4* with cheap stun like Gamora or Iceman to stop him.

    Use Cloak&Dagger and reduce his power level to 1 and Bishop's damage threshold increases to ~1800 or more.

    Send him airborn with Riri or Nova.

    Make your team invisible.

    Use someone with true heal.

    Use someone with anti-stun abilities.

    That’s great for 4* players. But they’re not the ones complaining about Bishop.

    What people fail to understand- or choose to ignore- since I’ve mentioned it in this thread countless times, is that Bishop has a team around him that needs to be accounted for as well.

    When I put out Bishop in Lightning Rounds I pair him with Jessica. No particularly synergy there other than she can match her traps while the opponent is stunlocked (actually, that’s pretty decent synergy). Two trap matches can wipe out most of my 4*. So... while a dual-4* team might be able to handle Bishop (but you’d better hope for no cascades), they are going to get eaten alive by Jessica’s 5* match damage, powers and passives. 


    It’s even more problematic in pick-3 PVP where you are dealing with Gritty on top of Bishop, or two mid to meta tier 5* on top of Bishop. Try taking your X-23, Clagger and Gamora, and putting them against Grishop, or Bishop and any combo of Thor, Okoye, Strange, Jessica, Doom, Daredevil, Bolt (I imagine Iceman and Professor will be out there more too post-Rescue). Yay you circumvent Bishop? But in the process don’t have the firepower to match 5* teams, because you had to play comparatively weak characters to not trigger a broken mechanic. Great fix. 
    Here’s one of the many times I’ve mentioned it in this thread. I can dig up more if you’d like. 
  • dkffiv
    dkffiv Posts: 1,039 Chairperson of the Boards
    helix72 said:
    You are correct, I am a 4* player, but was attacked by others with multiple 5* champs. If there’s a way to see the exact team they used against me, I’m not aware of it.

    I understand it is only an issue for 5* players attacking a Bishop team. However, from what you say, what I apparently missed in the previous 32 pages of posts was that I too have to have a 5* roster to go with Bishop on defense for it to matter. I thought the issue was just 5* rosters fighting Bishop. Though I’ll have to go back and read because it’s not clear to me how having a 5* attacker only matters in the Bishop conversation if I am a 5* defender.
    I mean, you're claiming a 20% defensive win rate against 5* teams.  You don't find that insane?

    If I get to 1k+ and I cant q anything worth decent points I sometimes end up farming a 370+ double boosted 4* team for 6-8 wins at 10-20 points a match.  4* teams should provide 0 resistance to double high level 5*s.
  • Projectus2501
    Projectus2501 Posts: 218 Tile Toppler
    Just a reminder that bishop is still broken
  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 5,945 Chairperson of the Boards
    Never give up the fight!  Unless you retire out of frustration.  Then go ahead.
  • tonypq
    tonypq Posts: 557 Critical Contributor
    It's much easier for D3 to tone down, but not completely gut the handful of over the top characters we have currently. As opposed to those who would like the current group of OP characters left alone and instead the other couple hundred characters who need buffs or in some cases redesigns, to get reworked. 

    There are just too many characters that are left in the dust which is sad for a game that wants you to keep adding all the new characters they rapidly add to this game. It's also annoying to me and I'm sure others that some of the OP or metas are characters like Kitty, Okoye, Bishop, and not some of the bigger names you'd expect. 

    If they want this game to keep going and hit a healthy consistent level across the board, then they really need to do some rebalancing. Especially broken PVP, between the OP club, **** matchmaking system, it's putrid these days and getting worse fast with the dilution added on top 
  • SnowcaTT
    SnowcaTT Posts: 3,487 Chairperson of the Boards
    I kind of drifted away from the forums as this thread started, it's interesting to still see it going: I figured folks would adapt and move on.

    I saw Bishop as 'broken' early on, BH'd him exclusively and max champed him very early. You'll see me floating in sim with it often (I think I'm trying something else this season).

    And honestly...that's basically the only place I see Bishop at all anymore. Now six+ months after I've max champed him I see lots of big bishops - when he's boosted he's not as great at that high level, without being able to choose two companions (sim) he doesn't seem that great in PVP.

    I see way, waaaaay more Grokitty than any other 5/4 combo. I see way, waaaaay more Grocket/Juggz than any other 4/4 combo. I see almost as much Cap as I do Bishop these days, through PVP/LR's/Sim. From looking around at other teams out there, it seems like people have adapted and discovered ways to get around him (4*'s tend not to trigger Bishop/Cap...)

    It makes me think twice and I can't just go into matches with expectations to win without thinking and without challenge. Is that bad? Guess that depends on what you were looking for.

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