Sekilicious said: entrailbucket said: Sekilicious said: Ugh. I don’t know if I can handle the grind without Polaris, but this is the second time I heard rumours of an upcoming nerf. Hopefully the rumours are overblown and Morbius does his tinykitty job! Hell, I would much rather they put out a 5* version of Morbius then see her nerfed to Bishop levels. The good thing about this is that you can objectively evaluate whether or not Morbius is "doing his job." If Polaris starts showing up less, then he's working. If every team is still Polaris, then the counter isn't doing its job. So far, it sounds like he hasn't had any impact. I suspect that's because while Morbius can beat Polaris, Polaris can beat Morbius (and also everything else). If he was a true counter, he'd beat Polaris whether he was on offense or defense. There are two sides to that though, as Anon stated. Even if Morbius is an effective counter, which I think he is but as Bad points out few players actually have him champed yet, there are few characters that have the speed of Polaris. All that do are in 5* territory. If they nerf Polaris there will be fewer players able to challenge SCL9 in PvE and able to challenge 75 wins in PvP. Most running with Polaris do so because she helps players hit their goals to speed up the progression of their roster. The solution would be to let power creep in and add a character or two that can complete with Polaris speed but active hurts if you have SAP tiles.Morbius may not be much of deterrent of defense, but then few characters are. No one in 4* land is, not even Polaris. I happily target all the meta teams as they all have counters. The only time I skip is if they are offering low points or I get targeted by champed hulkyoke after I break MMR. Really, if Polaris targets Morbius that is an AI problem.
entrailbucket said: Sekilicious said: Ugh. I don’t know if I can handle the grind without Polaris, but this is the second time I heard rumours of an upcoming nerf. Hopefully the rumours are overblown and Morbius does his tinykitty job! Hell, I would much rather they put out a 5* version of Morbius then see her nerfed to Bishop levels. The good thing about this is that you can objectively evaluate whether or not Morbius is "doing his job." If Polaris starts showing up less, then he's working. If every team is still Polaris, then the counter isn't doing its job. So far, it sounds like he hasn't had any impact. I suspect that's because while Morbius can beat Polaris, Polaris can beat Morbius (and also everything else). If he was a true counter, he'd beat Polaris whether he was on offense or defense.
Sekilicious said: Ugh. I don’t know if I can handle the grind without Polaris, but this is the second time I heard rumours of an upcoming nerf. Hopefully the rumours are overblown and Morbius does his tinykitty job! Hell, I would much rather they put out a 5* version of Morbius then see her nerfed to Bishop levels.
entrailbucket said: Sekilicious said: entrailbucket said: Sekilicious said: Ugh. I don’t know if I can handle the grind without Polaris, but this is the second time I heard rumours of an upcoming nerf. Hopefully the rumours are overblown and Morbius does his tinykitty job! Hell, I would much rather they put out a 5* version of Morbius then see her nerfed to Bishop levels. The good thing about this is that you can objectively evaluate whether or not Morbius is "doing his job." If Polaris starts showing up less, then he's working. If every team is still Polaris, then the counter isn't doing its job. So far, it sounds like he hasn't had any impact. I suspect that's because while Morbius can beat Polaris, Polaris can beat Morbius (and also everything else). If he was a true counter, he'd beat Polaris whether he was on offense or defense. There are two sides to that though, as Anon stated. Even if Morbius is an effective counter, which I think he is but as Bad points out few players actually have him champed yet, there are few characters that have the speed of Polaris. All that do are in 5* territory. If they nerf Polaris there will be fewer players able to challenge SCL9 in PvE and able to challenge 75 wins in PvP. Most running with Polaris do so because she helps players hit their goals to speed up the progression of their roster. The solution would be to let power creep in and add a character or two that can complete with Polaris speed but active hurts if you have SAP tiles.Morbius may not be much of deterrent of defense, but then few characters are. No one in 4* land is, not even Polaris. I happily target all the meta teams as they all have counters. The only time I skip is if they are offering low points or I get targeted by champed hulkyoke after I break MMR. Really, if Polaris targets Morbius that is an AI problem. Right, I mean, you're making the argument that a Polaris nerf would be bad, which is not the argument I'm making at all. I'm saying they will nerf her. I'd actually rather they didn't, because it makes PvP more difficult for 5* players. But they targeted her pretty specifically with a counter and it hasn't impacted her usage at all. I don't expect them to just give up. Maybe they'll try another counter first or something, but I don't think she is actually counter-able.
Daredevil217 said: entrailbucket said: Sekilicious said: entrailbucket said: Sekilicious said: Ugh. I don’t know if I can handle the grind without Polaris, but this is the second time I heard rumours of an upcoming nerf. Hopefully the rumours are overblown and Morbius does his tinykitty job! Hell, I would much rather they put out a 5* version of Morbius then see her nerfed to Bishop levels. The good thing about this is that you can objectively evaluate whether or not Morbius is "doing his job." If Polaris starts showing up less, then he's working. If every team is still Polaris, then the counter isn't doing its job. So far, it sounds like he hasn't had any impact. I suspect that's because while Morbius can beat Polaris, Polaris can beat Morbius (and also everything else). If he was a true counter, he'd beat Polaris whether he was on offense or defense. There are two sides to that though, as Anon stated. Even if Morbius is an effective counter, which I think he is but as Bad points out few players actually have him champed yet, there are few characters that have the speed of Polaris. All that do are in 5* territory. If they nerf Polaris there will be fewer players able to challenge SCL9 in PvE and able to challenge 75 wins in PvP. Most running with Polaris do so because she helps players hit their goals to speed up the progression of their roster. The solution would be to let power creep in and add a character or two that can complete with Polaris speed but active hurts if you have SAP tiles.Morbius may not be much of deterrent of defense, but then few characters are. No one in 4* land is, not even Polaris. I happily target all the meta teams as they all have counters. The only time I skip is if they are offering low points or I get targeted by champed hulkyoke after I break MMR. Really, if Polaris targets Morbius that is an AI problem. Right, I mean, you're making the argument that a Polaris nerf would be bad, which is not the argument I'm making at all. I'm saying they will nerf her. I'd actually rather they didn't, because it makes PvP more difficult for 5* players. But they targeted her pretty specifically with a counter and it hasn't impacted her usage at all. I don't expect them to just give up. Maybe they'll try another counter first or something, but I don't think she is actually counter-able. “They will nerf her”… source?3* Strange, 4* Rocket and Groot, and 5* Okoye have reigned supreme for literal YEARS at the top of the usage charts and they have not been nerfed at all. Not even a hint of a nerf. What do all three have in common ASIDE from being over-used? They speed the game up more than any other character in their tier (which is why they are overused). You know what else they have in common? People love them. Aside from complaints around lack of diversity, you see very few complaints about these glass cannon offensive characters. You don’t get the Gambit/Bishop broken complaints every thread, therefore they remain untouched. Polaris is in the “bestest/fastest option” camp. She’s not in the broken camp. Because of the fact that most appreciate the ways in which she speeds up the game on offense and improves overall quality of life, my guess is she won’t be nerfed. At most, maybe they’ll code the game so she doesn’t make specials mid-cascade or some other sweeping change that impacts her (like they did with match 4s and repeaters), but nothing directly targeting her ala Bishop. Sabretooth is an excellent RNG counter (also BSSM before him), and he didn’t effect Rocket’s usage. I’m also seeing no shortage of Hulkoye, even though Wanda (and Onslaught before her) is now a thing. I’m glad Polaris has her “Sabretooth/Wanda” in the form of Morbius, but just like Grocket, she likely won’t get nerfed. You know what bumped Rocket to #2 on the usage charts? Polaris! The release of an even better #1. Her reign will likely continue until the developers make an even more powerful #1 option. As long as people aren’t complaining too loudly, I’m guessing they are patting themselves on the back for making a character people of all tiers enjoy so much.
HoundofShadow said: I don't think there's any point in having a 4* equivalent of Okoye. Let's use Nico Minoru vs Kitty as an example.
entrailbucket said: I think the fact that Wanda exists, clearly targets Okoye, and clearly has zero impact on Okoye's use, is possibly an indicator of future plans there as well.
Sekilicious said: entrailbucket said: I think the fact that Wanda exists, clearly targets Okoye, and clearly has zero impact on Okoye's use, is possibly an indicator of future plans there as well. The fact most people haven’t broken their hordes so they can avoid Sighclops again points to the fact the release of the counter hasn’t even had a chance to take affect. Still, nerfing a character they featured in several stores that encouraged people to spend on seems like a bad business model.
entrailbucket said: Several people that I know personally spent a lot of real money whaling Gambit, and many of them spent more than $10,000 on him. I heard reports as high as $20,000 in that one store. None of those players got a refund when he was nerfed, mostly they just quit. The game survived.
Anon said: Chrynos1989 said: she’s bishop level op Yeah.... No
Chrynos1989 said: she’s bishop level op
entrailbucket said:I think the fact that Wanda exists, clearly targets Okoye, and clearly has zero impact on Okoye's use, is possibly an indicator of future plans there as well.
entrailbucket said: The good thing about predictions is that they either come true or they don't. Based on what I've seen in many years of playing this game and watching the meta evolve, I predict that Polaris is headed for a nerf. I base this prediction on her overall power level, the amount that she's used, and the devs' obvious attempts to address her with counters. This parallels what's happened with previous characters who were nerfed. I might be wrong! I actually hope I am! If she's nerfed that is bad for me, because I won't be able to earn a lot of points by repeatedly attacking super weak 4* teams in PvP.You might disagree with this prediction! That's great! We'll all get to find out what actually happens.
Daredevil217 said: entrailbucket said: The good thing about predictions is that they either come true or they don't. Based on what I've seen in many years of playing this game and watching the meta evolve, I predict that Polaris is headed for a nerf. I base this prediction on her overall power level, the amount that she's used, and the devs' obvious attempts to address her with counters. This parallels what's happened with previous characters who were nerfed. I might be wrong! I actually hope I am! If she's nerfed that is bad for me, because I won't be able to earn a lot of points by repeatedly attacking super weak 4* teams in PvP.You might disagree with this prediction! That's great! We'll all get to find out what actually happens. You were basing your “prediction” on usage stats. Because Morbius IS a hard counter for Polaris and hasn’t impacted her usage. You are basing your theory on being a wise elder who has seen trends over the course of the game. Yet you ignore the YEARS of usage dominance by Grocket, Strange, Okoye. Oh wait… you think Okoye is getting nerfed TOO now YEARS later if Wanda doesn’t impact usage? That tells me all I need to know. “Predictions” are fine. But I will point out when one cherry picks history.