FindingHeart8 said: bken1234 said: Mburn7 said: bken1234 said: Mburn7 said: bken1234 said: Mburn7 said: You know, I still find the lotus pretty useful in certain decks. Its great with Jodah, and is still good for older walkers who need a mana boost.Honestly, if it had a couple more shields (make it 3 or 4) it would be a definitely usable card. Sure, not nearly as powerful, but still something I'll use from time to time. I tried it with Jodah and his abilities overrode it. Which PW did you use?Maybe this is a bug? I originally tried it with Kiora with Marwyn, Lotus, another elf (our freebie, I believe), and Song of Freyalese.I found I still had all the bonuses after Jodah triggered every turn, which makes sense because he shouldn't be overriding stuff on the field (I assume dampening sphere would be devastating) It remains 0 every time for me. I have tried it in Karn, Saheeli, Kiora, Bolas and dirty Jace. Could there be another card overriding it? The way I read the interaction, it's working as intended for me. Jodah should override Lotus. Lotus buffs the mana gains, but at the top of every turn, Jodah zeros them out. That is definitely odd, I'll give it another try. Maybe it was a bug that they fixed without telling us? Stranger things have happened. And Karn with Jodah is hilarious, you can buff your gains after Jodah nixes them, but not once you hit the 3 times max. Put it through another series of tests today. Still doesn’t buff mana gains with Jodah in play (see video). https://youtu.be/5cqezkWXwAcThis is the deck I used: Why did I not think of using Day's Undoing with Jodah??! AAAh soo good. I like it I don't really understand the purpose of the rest of the deck, unless you custom made this just to test if that combo works or not.
bken1234 said: Mburn7 said: bken1234 said: Mburn7 said: bken1234 said: Mburn7 said: You know, I still find the lotus pretty useful in certain decks. Its great with Jodah, and is still good for older walkers who need a mana boost.Honestly, if it had a couple more shields (make it 3 or 4) it would be a definitely usable card. Sure, not nearly as powerful, but still something I'll use from time to time. I tried it with Jodah and his abilities overrode it. Which PW did you use?Maybe this is a bug? I originally tried it with Kiora with Marwyn, Lotus, another elf (our freebie, I believe), and Song of Freyalese.I found I still had all the bonuses after Jodah triggered every turn, which makes sense because he shouldn't be overriding stuff on the field (I assume dampening sphere would be devastating) It remains 0 every time for me. I have tried it in Karn, Saheeli, Kiora, Bolas and dirty Jace. Could there be another card overriding it? The way I read the interaction, it's working as intended for me. Jodah should override Lotus. Lotus buffs the mana gains, but at the top of every turn, Jodah zeros them out. That is definitely odd, I'll give it another try. Maybe it was a bug that they fixed without telling us? Stranger things have happened. And Karn with Jodah is hilarious, you can buff your gains after Jodah nixes them, but not once you hit the 3 times max. Put it through another series of tests today. Still doesn’t buff mana gains with Jodah in play (see video). https://youtu.be/5cqezkWXwAcThis is the deck I used:
Mburn7 said: bken1234 said: Mburn7 said: bken1234 said: Mburn7 said: You know, I still find the lotus pretty useful in certain decks. Its great with Jodah, and is still good for older walkers who need a mana boost.Honestly, if it had a couple more shields (make it 3 or 4) it would be a definitely usable card. Sure, not nearly as powerful, but still something I'll use from time to time. I tried it with Jodah and his abilities overrode it. Which PW did you use?Maybe this is a bug? I originally tried it with Kiora with Marwyn, Lotus, another elf (our freebie, I believe), and Song of Freyalese.I found I still had all the bonuses after Jodah triggered every turn, which makes sense because he shouldn't be overriding stuff on the field (I assume dampening sphere would be devastating) It remains 0 every time for me. I have tried it in Karn, Saheeli, Kiora, Bolas and dirty Jace. Could there be another card overriding it? The way I read the interaction, it's working as intended for me. Jodah should override Lotus. Lotus buffs the mana gains, but at the top of every turn, Jodah zeros them out. That is definitely odd, I'll give it another try. Maybe it was a bug that they fixed without telling us? Stranger things have happened. And Karn with Jodah is hilarious, you can buff your gains after Jodah nixes them, but not once you hit the 3 times max.
bken1234 said: Mburn7 said: bken1234 said: Mburn7 said: You know, I still find the lotus pretty useful in certain decks. Its great with Jodah, and is still good for older walkers who need a mana boost.Honestly, if it had a couple more shields (make it 3 or 4) it would be a definitely usable card. Sure, not nearly as powerful, but still something I'll use from time to time. I tried it with Jodah and his abilities overrode it. Which PW did you use?Maybe this is a bug? I originally tried it with Kiora with Marwyn, Lotus, another elf (our freebie, I believe), and Song of Freyalese.I found I still had all the bonuses after Jodah triggered every turn, which makes sense because he shouldn't be overriding stuff on the field (I assume dampening sphere would be devastating) It remains 0 every time for me. I have tried it in Karn, Saheeli, Kiora, Bolas and dirty Jace. Could there be another card overriding it? The way I read the interaction, it's working as intended for me. Jodah should override Lotus. Lotus buffs the mana gains, but at the top of every turn, Jodah zeros them out.
Mburn7 said: bken1234 said: Mburn7 said: You know, I still find the lotus pretty useful in certain decks. Its great with Jodah, and is still good for older walkers who need a mana boost.Honestly, if it had a couple more shields (make it 3 or 4) it would be a definitely usable card. Sure, not nearly as powerful, but still something I'll use from time to time. I tried it with Jodah and his abilities overrode it. Which PW did you use?Maybe this is a bug? I originally tried it with Kiora with Marwyn, Lotus, another elf (our freebie, I believe), and Song of Freyalese.I found I still had all the bonuses after Jodah triggered every turn, which makes sense because he shouldn't be overriding stuff on the field (I assume dampening sphere would be devastating)
bken1234 said: Mburn7 said: You know, I still find the lotus pretty useful in certain decks. Its great with Jodah, and is still good for older walkers who need a mana boost.Honestly, if it had a couple more shields (make it 3 or 4) it would be a definitely usable card. Sure, not nearly as powerful, but still something I'll use from time to time. I tried it with Jodah and his abilities overrode it. Which PW did you use?Maybe this is a bug?
Mburn7 said: You know, I still find the lotus pretty useful in certain decks. Its great with Jodah, and is still good for older walkers who need a mana boost.Honestly, if it had a couple more shields (make it 3 or 4) it would be a definitely usable card. Sure, not nearly as powerful, but still something I'll use from time to time.
Mburn7 said: FindingHeart8 said: bken1234 said: Mburn7 said: bken1234 said: Mburn7 said: bken1234 said: Mburn7 said: You know, I still find the lotus pretty useful in certain decks. Its great with Jodah, and is still good for older walkers who need a mana boost.Honestly, if it had a couple more shields (make it 3 or 4) it would be a definitely usable card. Sure, not nearly as powerful, but still something I'll use from time to time. I tried it with Jodah and his abilities overrode it. Which PW did you use?Maybe this is a bug? I originally tried it with Kiora with Marwyn, Lotus, another elf (our freebie, I believe), and Song of Freyalese.I found I still had all the bonuses after Jodah triggered every turn, which makes sense because he shouldn't be overriding stuff on the field (I assume dampening sphere would be devastating) It remains 0 every time for me. I have tried it in Karn, Saheeli, Kiora, Bolas and dirty Jace. Could there be another card overriding it? The way I read the interaction, it's working as intended for me. Jodah should override Lotus. Lotus buffs the mana gains, but at the top of every turn, Jodah zeros them out. That is definitely odd, I'll give it another try. Maybe it was a bug that they fixed without telling us? Stranger things have happened. And Karn with Jodah is hilarious, you can buff your gains after Jodah nixes them, but not once you hit the 3 times max. Put it through another series of tests today. Still doesn’t buff mana gains with Jodah in play (see video). https://youtu.be/5cqezkWXwAcThis is the deck I used: Why did I not think of using Day's Undoing with Jodah??! AAAh soo good. I like it I don't really understand the purpose of the rest of the deck, unless you custom made this just to test if that combo works or not. You think that's good, try him with Behold the Beyond. Instant hand drop every turn.And the other stuff in the deck seems to be so that they get either free dropped by the gateway when drawn (and don't have the cost drop) and to trigger Jhoira. Just guessing (I'm missing about half of that or I'd try my own version lol)
EDHdad said: OK. Well, I played with the new Gilded Lotus, and, barring any broken combos involving Mythic rares which I don't own, it's not that good.I stopped playing Puzzle Quest around this time last year. Just before I went to Grand Prix Las Vegas 2017, I left my coalition, deliberately left my iPad at home, and didn't play the game again until recently.Then, when I saw Gilded Lotus could be had for $20, I decided, what the heck. It seemed like a perfectly reasonable card at an attractive price point. The first time I could justify actually paying the ludicrous cash prices they charge for this game since Baral, which was the only other time I ever spent money on this game.When I was active in the game, I regretted not spending $10 for Shrine of the Forsaken Gods when it was available, so I figured Gilded Lotus was probably worth it in the long run. I strongly disagree with the idea that there should not be an auto-include mana accelerator available to any deck. It seems to me that Shrine of the Forsaken Gods and later, Corrupted Grafstone were auto-includes and perfectly reasonable. They take up a card slot, die to Demolish, and don't automatically win you the game.Next week, I'll be heading to Grand Prix Las Vegas 2018, and I'm seriously considering leaving the iPad at home again, and possibly not playing this game for another extended period of time.
A pity that you lay so much weight on one card to assess the quality of a game; which is rather an unfair assessment because lotus is no where game breaking nor does it single handedly improve the quality of life in the game either as you pointed out.
-Hibernium is extinct. The problems and issues that caused you to leave in the first place were infinitely worse than any of the ones we are facing today. A few weeks worth of continual playing would reveal this rather quickly to you that Oktagon has made incredible strides to improve the game and they listen to the player base. Something Hibernium failed to do repeatedly. So, no...
-The $20 offer was for Karn… that happened to have lotus. If $20 for lotus alone was worth it to you... there were far more efficient cards that are available when DOM 1st released.
Seems to me that you simply either need to play more or that you need to expand your pool of standard cards which by my guess is severely limited to Origins.
Can't judge a game fairly if you're not involved imho.
That said, I really recommend jumping in with both feet. I doubt you'll be disappointed. BUT... If you still are, then I doubt the game was ever the issue and simply just that it's just not your flavor of ice cream and I can respect that.
Gunmix25 said:-The $20 offer was for Karn… that happened to have lotus. If $20 for lotus alone was worth it to you... there were far more efficient cards that are available when DOM 1st released.
jtwood said: Gunmix25 said:-The $20 offer was for Karn… that happened to have lotus. If $20 for lotus alone was worth it to you... there were far more efficient cards that are available when DOM 1st released. My argument about why the Karn part of this bundle is potentially less valuable than the guaranteed cardtl;dr version - All PWs can definitely be had for crystals, but you may never open a card of any rarity. So it makes sense to evaluate cash purchases in the light of guaranteed cards before the PWs.
Quantius said: After all this gilded lotus talk, I'm surprised this hasn't been posted yet from tomorrows maintenance:We will be adjusting the card, Gilded Lotus:Cost changed from 9 to 6.Shield increased from 2 to 3.That's decent!
gogol666 said: Why are we still talking about this?People who bought the bundle for 20$ got 80 crystals compensation and a reasonable gilded lotus.I would say d3/oktagon admitted their fault and gave us a good compromise