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    • Doomstat
      Doomstat Posts: 115 Tile Toppler
      Gunmix25 said::
      Know those itty bitty supports with one shield? Karn's 3rd buffs them up... making what should be an easy removal swap for the AI... into a bigger annoyance in your favor. That and if they pop he brings them back into your hand with some mana to boot. Karn is a top tier PW. Just gotta think outside the box with him. Biggest mistake I find that some players do with him is try to make "E.B.T.K.S." builds [Everything But The Kitchen Sink] … the synergy isn't there despite the cards being the biggest baddest hardcore cards in every color. A clunky deck is just that, a clunky deck, no matter how awesome those cards are that they put in it. I beat them in TG every single time.

      Anyways, Karn is extremely good in the hands of an expert player... one I think you'd have no problems with when you get this Beast of Metaliciousness. lol

      Man, you make it sound like Blightcaster is a must have for Karn...
    • Mburn7
      Mburn7 Posts: 3,427 Chairperson of the Boards
      Doomstat said:
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      Man, you make it sound like Blightcaster is a must have for Karn...
      Its definitely a must have for Tezz 2.  Haven't tried building a Karn build with it, but it would probably be nasty.
    • bk1234
      bk1234 Posts: 2,924 Chairperson of the Boards
      Mburn7 said:
      You know, I still find the lotus pretty useful in certain decks.  Its great with Jodah, and is still good for older walkers who need a mana boost.

      Honestly, if it had a couple more shields (make it 3 or 4) it would be a definitely usable card.  Sure, not nearly as powerful, but still something I'll use from time to time.
      I tried it with Jodah and his abilities overrode it. 

      Which PW did you use?

      Maybe this is a bug?
    • Mburn7
      Mburn7 Posts: 3,427 Chairperson of the Boards
      bken1234 said:
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      I tried it with Jodah and his abilities overrode it. 

      Which PW did you use?

      Maybe this is a bug?
      I originally tried it with Kiora with Marwyn, Lotus, another elf (our freebie, I believe), and Song of Freyalese.
      I found I still had all the bonuses after Jodah triggered every turn, which makes sense because he shouldn't be overriding stuff on the field (I assume dampening sphere would be devastating)
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    • bk1234
      bk1234 Posts: 2,924 Chairperson of the Boards
      Mburn7 said:
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      I originally tried it with Kiora with Marwyn, Lotus, another elf (our freebie, I believe), and Song of Freyalese.
      I found I still had all the bonuses after Jodah triggered every turn, which makes sense because he shouldn't be overriding stuff on the field (I assume dampening sphere would be devastating)
      It remains 0 every time for me. I have tried it in Karn, Saheeli, Kiora, Bolas and dirty Jace. Could there be another card overriding it? 

      The way I read the interaction, it's working as intended for me. Jodah should override Lotus. 

      Lotus buffs the mana gains, but at the top of every turn, Jodah zeros them out. 
    • Mburn7
      Mburn7 Posts: 3,427 Chairperson of the Boards
      bken1234 said:
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      It remains 0 every time for me. I have tried it in Karn, Saheeli, Kiora, Bolas and dirty Jace. Could there be another card overriding it? 

      The way I read the interaction, it's working as intended for me. Jodah should override Lotus. 

      Lotus buffs the mana gains, but at the top of every turn, Jodah zeros them out. 
      That is definitely odd, I'll give it another try.  Maybe it was a bug that they fixed without telling us?  Stranger things have happened.  And Karn with Jodah is hilarious, you can buff your gains after Jodah nixes them, but not once you hit the 3 times max.  
    • Gunmix25
      Gunmix25 Posts: 1,442 Chairperson of the Boards
      Doomstat said:
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      Man, you make it sound like Blightcaster is a must have for Karn...

      Blightcaster is nasty with Karn, especially if playing the full rainbow builds in legacy … clues & treasures alongside Nyx and flip supports from IXN and RIX make for a nasty combo. In standard, the treasures and flip/nyx work well. Karn's construct keep churning out heavily charged supports to your hand at the end of the turn. I cannot recall, but I am also pretty sure the Saga chapters trigger Blightcaster too, if I remember correctly.


    • Gunmix25
      Gunmix25 Posts: 1,442 Chairperson of the Boards
      Dobby said:
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      Well the power creep I'm referring to is specifically that of the planeswalkers, the context being the specific discussion that I'm engaging in. @babar3355 is talking about how Gilded Lotus is needed to make old planeswalkers playable. I agree with him that PWs like Lilliana1 and Gideon2 have fallen way behind more recent planeswalkers in terms of mana production.... +2/+2/+2/+0/+0 is clearly far behind -1/+2/+4/+4/-1 or +7/+3/-2/-2/+3, before you even consider Karn and his creeping mana gains.

      Increasing the overall total gains of planeswalkers set by set will inevitable lead to older planeswalkers being mothballed. Which is bad. i hope they don't do that

      You're right that there doesn't seem to be much of a level of power creep in the cards at the moment. Which is good! I hope they carry on with that!


      I agree about the older PW. If anything, Lill3 and Jaya are good examples of what the mana increase could be for such PW. An adjustment on that scale should provide a more solid gain setting against the multi-colored PW of today. If any PW that could get mothballed are those with parasitic abilities. Teferi is infinitely better than Dovin because of this issue. If Dovin's abilities were built more for the long term, he would be just as viable as Teferi.


    • Mburn7
      Mburn7 Posts: 3,427 Chairperson of the Boards
      Mburn7 said:
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      That is definitely odd, I'll give it another try.  Maybe it was a bug that they fixed without telling us?  Stranger things have happened.  And Karn with Jodah is hilarious, you can buff your gains after Jodah nixes them, but not once you hit the 3 times max.  
      After further testing I have found the following:

      Gilded Lotus and Song of Freyalise do work with Jodah

      Marwyn and Navigator's Compass do work with Jodah.

      Dampening Sphere and the First Eruption I did not test (I don't have First Eruption and Dampening Sphere would be a Jodah hate card if it works).

      As far as I can tell these are the only cards that change your mana bonuses (except for the white dragon masterpiece, but that one does the same thing as Jodah)
    • Quantius
      Quantius Posts: 228 Tile Toppler
      After all this gilded lotus talk, I'm surprised this hasn't been posted yet from tomorrows maintenance:

      We will be adjusting the card, Gilded Lotus:
      • Cost changed from 9 to 6.
      • Shield increased from 2 to 3.

      That's decent!
    • Froggy
      Froggy Posts: 511 Critical Contributor
      I really appreciate the discussion that everyone has put up here in this thread. A lot of constructive ideas and useful input. I’m really pleased to see that D3 and the devs actually paid attention to all this and have made a fix on the card.

      I think the fix they have made is just and will make the card playable and again a very powerful addition to the DOM set. Not broken, but powerful.

      So thank you all for contributing and thank you @Brigby and D3 for listening.
    • bk1234
      bk1234 Posts: 2,924 Chairperson of the Boards
      Mburn7 said:
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      That is definitely odd, I'll give it another try.  Maybe it was a bug that they fixed without telling us?  Stranger things have happened.  And Karn with Jodah is hilarious, you can buff your gains after Jodah nixes them, but not once you hit the 3 times max.  
      Put it through another series of tests today. Still doesn’t buff mana gains with Jodah in play (see video). 

      https://youtu.be/5cqezkWXwAc

      This is the deck I used: 


    • Mburn7
      Mburn7 Posts: 3,427 Chairperson of the Boards
      bken1234 said:
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      Put it through another series of tests today. Still doesn’t buff mana gains with Jodah in play (see video). 

      Yeah, I found the same thing (see earlier comment for full analysis).

      Must have been a release-day bug they fixed.  Oh well.  Both are still solid cards.
    • bk1234
      bk1234 Posts: 2,924 Chairperson of the Boards
      Mburn7 said:
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      Yeah, I found the same thing (see earlier comment for full analysis).

      Must have been a release-day bug they fixed.  Oh well.  Both are still solid cards.
      Navigator's Compass does work since it buffs at the beginning of turn. 

      I've tried it 3 times. 
    • Mburn7
      Mburn7 Posts: 3,427 Chairperson of the Boards
      bken1234 said:
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      Navigator's Compass does work since it buffs at the beginning of turn. 

      I've tried it 3 times. 
      Yeah, Navigator's Compass and Marwyn work.  

      Song of Freyalise and Lotus do not.

      I guess its all in the timing
    • FindingHeart8
      FindingHeart8 Posts: 2,732 Chairperson of the Boards
      edited June 2018
      bken1234 said:
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      Put it through another series of tests today. Still doesn’t buff mana gains with Jodah in play (see video). 

      https://youtu.be/5cqezkWXwAc

      This is the deck I used: 


      Why did I not think of using Day's Undoing with Jodah??!  AAAh soo good.  I like it :)

      I don't really understand the purpose of the rest of the deck, unless you custom made this just to test if that combo works or not.
    • bk1234
      bk1234 Posts: 2,924 Chairperson of the Boards
      @FindingHeart8

      I will answer in the deckbuilding channel when I get a couple minutes -- so we don't derail this thread. 
    • Gunmix25
      Gunmix25 Posts: 1,442 Chairperson of the Boards
      Froggy said:
      I really appreciate the discussion that everyone has put up here in this thread. A lot of constructive ideas and useful input. I’m really pleased to see that D3 and the devs actually paid attention to all this and have made a fix on the card.

      I think the fix they have made is just and will make the card playable and again a very powerful addition to the DOM set. Not broken, but powerful.

      So thank you all for contributing and thank you @Brigby and D3 for listening.
      This needed to be said, there have been many players shooting from the hip that Oktagon is the new Hibernium. A comparison that couldn't more wrong on so many levels. Thanks @Froggy
    • FindingHeart8
      FindingHeart8 Posts: 2,732 Chairperson of the Boards
      edited June 2018
      bken1234 said:
      @FindingHeart8

      I will answer in the deckbuilding channel when I get a couple minutes -- so we don't derail this thread. 
      fair enough.

      Back on topic: The artwork of this gilded lotus pails in comparison to some of the earlier artwork, in my opinion:

      httpswwwcardkingdomcomimagesmagic-the-gathering2013-core-setgilded-lotus-31716-mediumjpg

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