What if any of these 20 buck 1 stars worth it if any

JoeHandle

@Akatosh said:
Looking at Ascended Venom's numbers, they seem really low for a 5*, especially his green at 5 covers is extremely low. Don't know if he's worth the $20 price tag.

You buy them for the loot; any utility is bonus. FAR better bang per buck than, say "VIP" LOL

slidecage

How bad does 3. 550 effect you. Compair to say 2. And then one. 5 star around 490 Just in pvp or pve as well. All unboosted.

Did vemon and juggie. Didn't know how bad it would effect me buying more

Bowgentle

2 550s put you into 550 MMR for pvp.
No influence on pve.

bluewolf

@slidecage said:
How bad does 3. 550 effect you. Compair to say 2. And then one. 5 star around 490 Just in pvp or pve as well. All unboosted.

Did vemon and juggie. Didn't know how bad it would effect me buying more

Once you have one 550 you are in the 550 MMR zone. More won't change that.

You could pause your purchased 5s if you want, apply covers to lower level copies. You can always apply more later. It's not a race, not really....

Of course, in PVE these characters will be strong assets with huge match damage. 1Spidey5 is awesome.

entrailbucket

@bluewolf said:

@slidecage said:
How bad does 3. 550 effect you. Compair to say 2. And then one. 5 star around 490 Just in pvp or pve as well. All unboosted.

Did vemon and juggie. Didn't know how bad it would effect me buying more

Once you have one 550 you are in the 550 MMR zone. More won't change that.

You could pause your purchased 5s if you want, apply covers to lower level copies. You can always apply more later. It's not a race, not really....

Of course, in PVE these characters will be strong assets with huge match damage. 1Spidey5 is awesome.

It's way, way more complicated than that. There are multiple tiers to "550 matchmaking," and the entire thing very heavily depends on what PvP slice you're in, when you're playing, and your score.

bluewolf

@entrailbucket said:

@bluewolf said:

@slidecage said:
How bad does 3. 550 effect you. Compair to say 2. And then one. 5 star around 490 Just in pvp or pve as well. All unboosted.

Did vemon and juggie. Didn't know how bad it would effect me buying more

Once you have one 550 you are in the 550 MMR zone. More won't change that.

You could pause your purchased 5s if you want, apply covers to lower level copies. You can always apply more later. It's not a race, not really....

Of course, in PVE these characters will be strong assets with huge match damage. 1Spidey5 is awesome.

It's way, way more complicated than that. There are multiple tiers to "550 matchmaking," and the entire thing very heavily depends on what PvP slice you're in, when you're playing, and your score.

Sure, that's true. But in general you will be shown to other people with 550s after you gain enough points much more often (aka a lot, once you are about 400-500 pts or so in a typical slice) than a person with a 490 5, and vice versa.

Anyway once you have 2 or 3 of them you'll be solidly into it. Doesn't mean you won't be offered lower level 5s to fight if you are climbing from below and their points are high enough, or few 550s are out and you are finding smaller teams chasing wins who are the only people unshielded, or whatever.

entrailbucket

@bluewolf said:

@entrailbucket said:

@bluewolf said:

@slidecage said:
How bad does 3. 550 effect you. Compair to say 2. And then one. 5 star around 490 Just in pvp or pve as well. All unboosted.

Did vemon and juggie. Didn't know how bad it would effect me buying more

Once you have one 550 you are in the 550 MMR zone. More won't change that.

You could pause your purchased 5s if you want, apply covers to lower level copies. You can always apply more later. It's not a race, not really....

Of course, in PVE these characters will be strong assets with huge match damage. 1Spidey5 is awesome.

It's way, way more complicated than that. There are multiple tiers to "550 matchmaking," and the entire thing very heavily depends on what PvP slice you're in, when you're playing, and your score.

Sure, that's true. But in general you will be shown to other people with 550s after you gain enough points much more often (aka a lot, once you are about 400-500 pts or so in a typical slice) than a person with a 490 5, and vice versa.

Anyway once you have 2 or 3 of them you'll be solidly into it. Doesn't mean you won't be offered lower level 5s to fight if you are climbing from below and their points are high enough, or few 550s are out and you are finding smaller teams chasing wins who are the only people unshielded, or whatever.

I have like 36 550s now, I think, and I've gone entire events without seeing another 550 character. I've had other events were it's an unbreakable wall of them from 0 to 1200. I've had events where 4* teams repeatedly beat my 672s from 0 points when I was nearly 1200. There is no "in general" and there are no hard-and-fast rules.

It's also a tremendous advantage to be able to queue these guys at the top of the metagame. Would you rather climb 30-40 points per win or 75? It's not like their teams are unbeatable, or even particularly difficult -- 4* players can beat lvl650 characters in PvE.

JoeHandle

@slidecage said:
How bad does 3. 550 effect you. Compair to say 2. And then one. 5 star around 490 Just in pvp or pve as well. All unboosted.

Did vemon and juggie. Didn't know how bad it would effect me buying more

You already have two at 550 and one at 490?

Your MMR should be topped out if that's the case.

How are your other 5s?

slidecage

@JoeHandle said:

@slidecage said:
How bad does 3. 550 effect you. Compair to say 2. And then one. 5 star around 490 Just in pvp or pve as well. All unboosted.

Did vemon and juggie. Didn't know how bad it would effect me buying more

You already have two at 550 and one at 490?

Your MMR should be topped out if that's the case.

How are your other 5s?

No once I open up my 3000. 1 star tokens it will push them to 550. Right now think juggie is 480 and vemon 463

Normal 5s. Kitty beta ect. I think. 470s range

Since mostly only do pve. I used to get 25 wins but haven't play pvp that much in long time. Maybe 1 or 2 fights per event It sounds like won't have a major effect on me. Was just thinking of buying the 1 stars every week they show up .. really haventbplayed much pve thst much as well just trying to comw hack to game now and put more time into it . Though doubt I every play like used to

Well at least. Iron man and spiderman (what would give me 4 1s. Pushed to 550.. what would push me back to around 130k. Hp). What should be enoght for at least 2 years.

Not sure if black widow . Hawkeye and other 2 be worth it

entrailbucket

@slidecage said:

@JoeHandle said:

@slidecage said:
How bad does 3. 550 effect you. Compair to say 2. And then one. 5 star around 490 Just in pvp or pve as well. All unboosted.

Did vemon and juggie. Didn't know how bad it would effect me buying more

You already have two at 550 and one at 490?

Your MMR should be topped out if that's the case.

How are your other 5s?

No once I open up my 3000. 1 star tokens it will push them to 550. Right now think juggie is 480 and vemon 463

Normal 5s. Kitty beta ect. I think. 470s range

Since mostly only do pve. It sounds like won't have a major effect on me. Was just thinking of buying the 1 stars every week they show up

Well at least. Iron man and spiderman (what would give me 4 1s. Pushed to 550.. what would push me back to around 130k. Hp). What should be enoght for at least 2 years.

Not sure if black widow . Hawkeye and other 2 be worth it

The levels of your characters have no impact on the levels of the enemies you fight in PvE.

bluewolf

It’s interesting how a moderate expenditure (in the vast range of money people spend on the game, $160 for all the 1-5s really isn’t that much), along with a hoard of standard tokens can take you to the same roster level as people who spent thousands and thousands of dollars.

Bowgentle

@bluewolf said:
It’s interesting how a moderate expenditure (in the vast range of money people spend on the game, $160 for all the 1-5s really isn’t that much), along with a hoard of standard tokens can take you to the same roster level as people who spent thousands and thousands of dollars.

Well... It doesn't, really.
It puts you into the same MMR but those people have a lot more options each week.

slidecage

@bluewolf said:
It’s interesting how a moderate expenditure (in the vast range of money people spend on the game, $160 for all the 1-5s really isn’t that much), along with a hoard of standard tokens can take you to the same roster level as people who spent thousands and thousands of dollars.

Do you really need all 8. Didn't people say a few of them are not worth it

I think I will skip bagmab yelana and black widow ... Still gives me 5. Or them. Do really maybe 80 to 100 bucks can give you the major power

Haven't seen the speed bonus yet. Maybe once I get. 5 I will open up the packs and get them to 550

Okay one more question

What 5 are worth it I'm going
Juggie. Vemon what have now ....going with iron man and spiderman who would be my 5th

Thanks

bluewolf

@Bowgentle said:

@bluewolf said:
It’s interesting how a moderate expenditure (in the vast range of money people spend on the game, $160 for all the 1-5s really isn’t that much), along with a hoard of standard tokens can take you to the same roster level as people who spent thousands and thousands of dollars.

Well... It doesn't, really.
It puts you into the same MMR but those people have a lot more options each week.

The game makes no promises about how good the characters you level are. And never has.

If you wanted a set of 550s prior to "here, buy a 1-5 for $20" you had to do one of the following:
1. Drop thousands of dollars to buy enough CP/LTs to get to about 2500ish pulls (about 61K cp without LTs)
2. Save/hoard for a very long time (much easier with a well established roster) to get to those pulls
3. Some combination of 1 and 2
4. Set a favorite and stick with it for an incredibly long time (years)

In about a month, as I did not hoard any Standards, I have added about 9 levels to a 1-5 Spidey so in theory he would be a 550 by about October (I could grind PVP much more than I do, I guess, for more 1* covers, but I would probably run out of health packs and I don't have the time or interest - I do play LRs).

There are definitely people who 550 a set of three and have to build up to a hoard again, using the same 3 people over and over, which is totally fine but again, this set of circumstances is a fairly cheap way to get more than that number set up. And you could 550 them faster than you could hoard, possibly? depends again on your roster and reward churn.

Obviously there aren't many players that hoarded 4000 Standards but it's still interesting. Even without the hoard, the game offers/offered to skip all that hoarding and just level them up steadily.

(If they add more 1s then the calculus changes, of course, and the progress slows, and the relative value is reduced.)

entrailbucket

@Bowgentle said:

@bluewolf said:
It’s interesting how a moderate expenditure (in the vast range of money people spend on the game, $160 for all the 1-5s really isn’t that much), along with a hoard of standard tokens can take you to the same roster level as people who spent thousands and thousands of dollars.

Well... It doesn't, really.
It puts you into the same MMR but those people have a lot more options each week.

Not really. The majority of "550 players" in MPQ have exactly 3 550s, from breaking one big hoard. The number of players with more than that is a tiny minority of an already-tiny minority. Those players don't really have more options than someone with 3 550 1*s.

Bowgentle

@entrailbucket said:

@Bowgentle said:

@bluewolf said:
It’s interesting how a moderate expenditure (in the vast range of money people spend on the game, $160 for all the 1-5s really isn’t that much), along with a hoard of standard tokens can take you to the same roster level as people who spent thousands and thousands of dollars.

Well... It doesn't, really.
It puts you into the same MMR but those people have a lot more options each week.

Not really. The majority of "550 players" in MPQ have exactly 3 550s, from breaking one big hoard. The number of players with more than that is a tiny minority of an already-tiny minority. Those players don't really have more options than someone with 3 550 1*s.

That's the Shang Jane people yeah.
Those are not 550 players though.
Everyone with 6+ 550s has ascended 4s, that's what I meant with options.
Like, Juggs absolutely laughs at the 1* 5s this week.

JoeHandle

@slidecage said:

@bluewolf said:
It’s interesting how a moderate expenditure (in the vast range of money people spend on the game, $160 for all the 1-5s really isn’t that much), along with a hoard of standard tokens can take you to the same roster level as people who spent thousands and thousands of dollars.

Do you really need all 8. Didn't people say a few of them are not worth it

I think I will skip bagmab yelana and black widow ... Still gives me 5. Or them. Do really maybe 80 to 100 bucks can give you the major power

Haven't seen the speed bonus yet. Maybe once I get. 5 I will open up the packs and get them to 550

Okay one more question

What 5 are worth it I'm going
Juggie. Vemon what have now ....going with iron man and spiderman who would be my 5th

Thanks

Yelena or Hawkeye or MBW.

Hawkeye is very solid but also terrible color overlap with Spidey and his AP gen depends on using his powers only. If limiting yourself to a certain set of these chars, that kind of conflict is irritating, and Spidey is the better of the two.

Yelena's rework brings different mechanics and the rework was solid.

Storm is weak ... MBW not great without acceleration. But with acceleration she can be quite a pain!

LavaManLee

@Bowgentle said:.
That's the Shang Jane people yeah.
Those are not 550 players though.

Wait, so people with 550 characters aren't 550 players? Even if those 550s are two of the strongest possible out there and can offensively take down almost any team? What, specifically, makes them not 550 players?

dianetics

@LavaManLee said:

@Bowgentle said:.
That's the Shang Jane people yeah.
Those are not 550 players though.

Wait, so people with 550 characters aren't 550 players? Even if those 550s are two of the strongest possible out there and can offensively take down almost any team? What, specifically, makes them not 550 players?

Crying like ****?
Really who knows. I'm in the group and it has not changed my game.

entrailbucket

@LavaManLee said:

@Bowgentle said:.
That's the Shang Jane people yeah.
Those are not 550 players though.

Wait, so people with 550 characters aren't 550 players? Even if those 550s are two of the strongest possible out there and can offensively take down almost any team? What, specifically, makes them not 550 players?

The sentiment you're reacting to is crazy, but you need to remember, this game is specifically architected to keep you looking up, and keep you chasing those ahead of you, at all times.

Players with 3 550s, the top fraction of a percentage of players in the entire game, spend all their time looking up at rosters like mine and thinking about how they need to catch up -- instead of looking down at the 99.999999% of all players they're ahead of.