Ascended Winners and Losers

entrailbucket

Today's edition of "characters/powers everybody forgot about" (lvl506, boosted to lvl626):

Just tested to confirm, btw, you get damage per fortified tile, so if you make a match that has two fortified tiles, the power fires twice.

ThaRoadWarrior

Yes, that is correct. Pair her with 4* black panther and the math starts to feel broken once you have enough of the tiles they care about in a given swipe.

entrailbucket

I can't be the first one, but I haven't seen Darkveil posted yet.

entrailbucket

I can't be the first one, but I haven't seen Darkveil posted yet.

entrailbucket

I can't be the first one, but I haven't seen Darkveil posted yet (numbers at lvl450):

Whether she's a winner or a loser is going to depend on what you're looking for, I think, and I imagine some folks will not be happy.

If you only want to use the Kang team, then the threshold on the Away passive probably goes too high. But the numbers on everything go way up (this kit will be a trainwreck when boosted). If you've used or faced her, you know how often that repeater goes off. I haven't tested her yet but I think this is promising.

Jinx

Just ascended Northstar and he’s very fun. Using him with Chavez and PX5* and it’s fun.

entrailbucket

3* Like Cage, lvl451 unboosted. AP costs are obviously stupid but wow...

Pantera236

@entrailbucket said:
3* Like Cage, lvl451 unboosted. AP costs are obviously stupid but wow...

Even at 13 yellow I'm not mad at it. What's his health at?

entrailbucket

@Pantera236 said:

@entrailbucket said:
3* Like Cage, lvl451 unboosted. AP costs are obviously stupid but wow...

Even at 13 yellow I'm not mad at it. What's his health at?

It's not bad. I don't remember where this puts him at 550.

Pantera236

@entrailbucket said:

@Pantera236 said:

@entrailbucket said:
3* Like Cage, lvl451 unboosted. AP costs are obviously stupid but wow...

Even at 13 yellow I'm not mad at it. What's his health at?

It's not bad. I don't remember where this puts him at 550.

After I asked I went and looked at your roster. He's got roughly same health as hotpool and he has 175k at 550.

entrailbucket

@Pantera236 said:

@entrailbucket said:

@Pantera236 said:

@entrailbucket said:
3* Like Cage, lvl451 unboosted. AP costs are obviously stupid but wow...

Even at 13 yellow I'm not mad at it. What's his health at?

It's not bad. I don't remember where this puts him at 550.

After I asked I went and looked at your roster. He's got roughly same health as hotpool and he has 175k at 550.

Ah right. The scaling factor 450->550 is about x2 for health and about x2.5 for power damage. Then it's the same numbers for 550->672.

Edit -- this is completely wrong, see below.

trenchdigger

Scaling factors are approx:
450 -> 550 = 2.16
550 -> 672 = 2.56
450 -> 672 = 5.53

I've always found the scaling factors for health and damage to be exactly the same, so I'm really curious if you have an example of a character for which they are different?

His numbers look insane. With 5 on his black, at level 672 his second jab would do over 660k damage.

Domitronas

Petition to change his in game name to Luke W Cage

entrailbucket

@trenchdigger said:
Scaling factors are approx:
450 -> 550 = 2.16
550 -> 672 = 2.56
450 -> 672 = 5.53

I've always found the scaling factors for health and damage to be exactly the same, so I'm really curious if you have an example of a character for which they are different?

His numbers look insane. With 5 on his black, at level 672 his second jab would do over 660k damage.

Nope, I just forgot! Thanks for the actual data.

entrailbucket

Hey, don't overlook the fact that you get a strength 4500 protect tile every single turn for free (if he's boosted it'll be almost 10k, too).

I have a feeling Luke Cage is going to start showing up on those lists of "best guys to ascend" now -- I want royalties!

trenchdigger

And at 672 it would be almost 25k! Shame it is so hard to ascend 3*s.

Timemachinego

@entrailbucket said:
Hey, don't overlook the fact that you get a strength 4500 protect tile every single turn for free (if he's boosted it'll be almost 10k, too).

I have a feeling Luke Cage is going to start showing up on those lists of "best guys to ascend" now -- I want royalties!

Hey, maybe I can go back to running luke cage, iron fist and doc strange like I did when I didn't have anything better! Progress!

LavaManLee

The biggest issue, IMHO, is with a 550 MT/SC, none of that is relevant. A 10k protect tile? Shrug. Even the damage with saving 12 Yellow. By the time you have saved 12 Yellow, the battle is probably over. I don't know what the answer is. Not sure if there is an answer. But outside of a few boosted characters (and some lucky starting boards) there is almost no team that a non-boosted 550 MT/SC can't mop up.

Is that good? Is that bad? I don't know. That's for other minds to debate. But that definitely is a fact and one worth considering.

entrailbucket

@LavaManLee said:
The biggest issue, IMHO, is with a 550 MT/SC, none of that is relevant. A 10k protect tile? Shrug. Even the damage with saving 12 Yellow. By the time you have saved 12 Yellow, the battle is probably over. I don't know what the answer is. Not sure if there is an answer. But outside of a few boosted characters (and some lucky starting boards) there is almost no team that a non-boosted 550 MT/SC can't mop up.

Is that good? Is that bad? I don't know. That's for other minds to debate. But that definitely is a fact and one worth considering.

I haven't found a single team, including many sets of dual 672s with optimal supports (and I have quite a few of them) that doesn't lose on defense to m'Thor/Shang-Chi.

So I'm not sure if that's relevant to specific character evaluations -- again, there is no character in the game, at any level, that can stand up to those two (and they don't even have to be 550 -- I lose to lower level ones as well). I strongly suspect that all future characters will suffer the same fate as well.

Put another way, while it's true that 3->5 Luke Cage loses to m'Thor/Shang-Chi, so does literally everyone else, both present and future, so it's hard for me to hold that against him in particular. If I compare him to other characters, he still seems pretty strong.

entrailbucket

@Timemachinego said:

@entrailbucket said:
Hey, don't overlook the fact that you get a strength 4500 protect tile every single turn for free (if he's boosted it'll be almost 10k, too).

I have a feeling Luke Cage is going to start showing up on those lists of "best guys to ascend" now -- I want royalties!

Hey, maybe I can go back to running luke cage, iron fist and doc strange like I did when I didn't have anything better! Progress!

Unfortunately Luke Cage got all the numbers in the Heroes for Hire partnership. Iron Fist is not very good.

Lvl452, unboosted: