Ascended Winners and Losers

entrailbucket

@ThaRoadWarrior said:
At 4* black widow’s power costs are still laughably high. Mine is at 282. What’s funny is that her green cost goes up every level you put on it - costs 15 at one cover up to 19 at 5 covers. Same with red, starts at 12 at one cover up to 17 at five, and purple just costs 11 all the time. I never noticed that before.

She's really, really old -- they used to mess with AP costs a lot. I think OBW has something similar. There were a few guys who got AP discounts the more covers they had, too.

JoeHandle

@entrailbucket said:

@ThaRoadWarrior said:
At 4* black widow’s power costs are still laughably high. Mine is at 282. What’s funny is that her green cost goes up every level you put on it - costs 15 at one cover up to 19 at 5 covers. Same with red, starts at 12 at one cover up to 17 at five, and purple just costs 11 all the time. I never noticed that before.

She's really, really old -- they used to mess with AP costs a lot. I think OBW has something similar. There were a few guys who got AP discounts the more covers they had, too.

1juggs still does.

GSBW is a top 3* to ascend, from my perspective. She feeds terrible characters, has a useful kit, and would very much benefit from a larger health pool. No reason not to ascend her!

ThaRoadWarrior

Since Threshold based characters are rarely winners, I present to you Eddie Brock Venom:

ThaRoadWarrior

It took a bit of getting going, but in simulator I nearly 1-shotted a team of BRB/mThor/Polaris after a few rounds of filling the board with enemy protects and firing his now only costing 7 green power and the resultant cascade with a team of 5* Kamala/ascended Eddie/Ascended King of Wakanda. It’s a dangerous game running them against Polaris though.

will7612

Are 2* worth ascending to 3* based on rewards only?
On the assumption I have few roster slots available right now, and they give some 3* covers

WhiteBomber

There was a massive set of convos surrounding this one, if I am remembering correctly, yes, you definitely want to ascend them for farming. This is especially true for ascending them both at max champion level since you are now double dipping rewards; IE: you get the rewards from maxing them PLUS the rewards for the new ascended levels.

There is a ton of preference on how to do this as it works best for your roster / slots and play style. For farming specifically max max is the way to go, if you are like a lot of people who are running out of slots, you might have to pick and choose who you want to ascend OR ascend people early to save space.

I personally ascend the characters I know I want to play at level 5 ASAP, or basically 1 plus covers over champion so you get the LL token. If you are going to save some for farming, it's ideal to also consider their base level rewards, IE: 3 Magneto you will likely want to max max since his play value is minimal and his level rewards are Polaris and Jugs.

So unless something changed or I forgot, the simple answer to your question is, YES, you do want to ascend to farm, but its a balance between preference and space for many. The 2 stars and 1 stars will actually pay their dividends faster than 3 and 4 due to the volume of covers you receive for them, especially once you get them to 5 star, where the rewards are way higher. Someone else will surely chime in with better specifics on the data of when to ascend if not max max etc. (I hope).

will7612

@WhiteBomber said:
There was a massive set of convos surrounding this one, if I am remembering correctly, yes, you definitely want to ascend them for farming. This is especially true for ascending them both at max champion level since you are now double dipping rewards; IE: you get the rewards from maxing them PLUS the rewards for the new ascended levels.

There is a ton of preference on how to do this as it works best for your roster / slots and play style. For farming specifically max max is the way to go, if you are like a lot of people who are running out of slots, you might have to pick and choose who you want to ascend OR ascend people early to save space.

I personally ascend the characters I know I want to play at level 5 ASAP, or basically 1 plus covers over champion so you get the LL token. If you are going to save some for farming, it's ideal to also consider their base level rewards, IE: 3 Magneto you will likely want to max max since his play value is minimal and his level rewards are Polaris and Jugs.

So unless something changed or I forgot, the simple answer to your question is, YES, you do want to ascend to farm, but its a balance between preference and space for many. The 2 stars and 1 stars will actually pay their dividends faster than 3 and 4 due to the volume of covers you receive for them, especially once you get them to 5 star, where the rewards are way higher. Someone else will surely chime in with better specifics on the data of when to ascend if not max max etc. (I hope).

Thans a lot WB, surely helped, will try to max max some of the 2* to at least 3* to get some rewards, and keep some HP for the Anniversary Vaults, I hope will be offering many roster slots like previous ones

Domitronas

@WhiteBomber said:
There was a massive set of convos surrounding this one, if I am remembering correctly, yes, you definitely want to ascend them for farming. This is especially true for ascending them both at max champion level since you are now double dipping rewards; IE: you get the rewards from maxing them PLUS the rewards for the new ascended levels.

There is a ton of preference on how to do this as it works best for your roster / slots and play style. For farming specifically max max is the way to go, if you are like a lot of people who are running out of slots, you might have to pick and choose who you want to ascend OR ascend people early to save space.

I personally ascend the characters I know I want to play at level 5 ASAP, or basically 1 plus covers over champion so you get the LL token. If you are going to save some for farming, it's ideal to also consider their base level rewards, IE: 3 Magneto you will likely want to max max since his play value is minimal and his level rewards are Polaris and Jugs.

So unless something changed or I forgot, the simple answer to your question is, YES, you do want to ascend to farm, but its a balance between preference and space for many. The 2 stars and 1 stars will actually pay their dividends faster than 3 and 4 due to the volume of covers you receive for them, especially once you get them to 5 star, where the rewards are way higher. Someone else will surely chime in with better specifics on the data of when to ascend if not max max etc. (I hope).

I'm not actually sure that you want to ascend them for reward purposes ONLY. While yes you are double dipping on some of those excess levels, but you are losing out on selling the max champ.

And now that I'm thinking about it it's 100% not worth. To get an ascended 2 star to 266 you need 200 covers total if starting from 166, or 150 if you start from 181 (max/max ascension). There is absolutely no way that rewards you get from 166 to 266 are worth 3 times the max champ 2 star rewards (with 200 2 star covers you can cycle 2 star hero 3 times and have change to spare, fully maxing a 2 star takes 63 covers).

DO NOT ASCEND FOR REWARDS ONLY

KGB

@Domitronas said:

@WhiteBomber said:
There was a massive set of convos surrounding this one, if I am remembering correctly, yes, you definitely want to ascend them for farming. This is especially true for ascending them both at max champion level since you are now double dipping rewards; IE: you get the rewards from maxing them PLUS the rewards for the new ascended levels.

There is a ton of preference on how to do this as it works best for your roster / slots and play style. For farming specifically max max is the way to go, if you are like a lot of people who are running out of slots, you might have to pick and choose who you want to ascend OR ascend people early to save space.

I personally ascend the characters I know I want to play at level 5 ASAP, or basically 1 plus covers over champion so you get the LL token. If you are going to save some for farming, it's ideal to also consider their base level rewards, IE: 3 Magneto you will likely want to max max since his play value is minimal and his level rewards are Polaris and Jugs.

So unless something changed or I forgot, the simple answer to your question is, YES, you do want to ascend to farm, but its a balance between preference and space for many. The 2 stars and 1 stars will actually pay their dividends faster than 3 and 4 due to the volume of covers you receive for them, especially once you get them to 5 star, where the rewards are way higher. Someone else will surely chime in with better specifics on the data of when to ascend if not max max etc. (I hope).

I'm not actually sure that you want to ascend them for reward purposes ONLY. While yes you are double dipping on some of those excess levels, but you are losing out on selling the max champ.

And now that I'm thinking about it it's 100% not worth. To get an ascended 2 star to 266 you need 200 covers total if starting from 166, or 150 if you start from 181 (max/max ascension). There is absolutely no way that rewards you get from 166 to 266 are worth 3 times the max champ 2 star rewards (with 200 2 star covers you can cycle 2 star hero 3 times and have change to spare, fully maxing a 2 star takes 63 covers).

DO NOT ASCEND FOR REWARDS ONLY

You might want to take another look at the reward tables.
https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/80702/r192-champion-rewards-updates/p1

For taking a 3* from 166-266 you earn 36 CP, 5 LTs and 650 HP plus some potential 4* covers/shards.
For taking a 2* from 95 to 144 you earn 5 cp and 190 HP. Since it requires 200 covers and only 50 to max a 2* you multiply by 4 to get 20 CP and 760 HP.

Seems to me +15 CP, 5 LTs plus some potential 4* covers / shards vastly outweighs 110 HP.

Yes I didn't factor in ISO or sell prices for selling the 2 4 times but I rather doubt it comes close to the +15 cp, 5 LTs and potential 4s. Especially since by the time you are advanced enough roster wise to be making this decision your best characters will almost certainly be 4s and 5s in which case 2s no longer matter and CPs and LTs are what matters.

KGB

entrailbucket

"Is it worth ascending 2* for rewards only?" is kind of an irrelevant question.

In general, it's worth ascending 2->5 because it makes them good. The rewards are a bonus.

Domitronas

@KGB said:

You might want to take another look at the reward tables.

For one, you're not getting any shards from ascended characters, you're only getting shards from native tier champ rewards. By fully cycling a 2 star 4 times you're getting like 18 3 star covers from shards alone, that's nothing to sneeze at. By cycling a 2 star 4 times you're also getting 16 heroic tokens, which you did not take into consideration either. Although you get some heroic and mighty tokens from the 3 star champ rewards too, you're not getting 16 of them.

So in reality it's not 15 CP + 5 LT vs 110 HP, it's 15 CP + 5 LT vs 110 HP AND 18 3 star covers AND 16 heroic tokens AND the extra HP from selling the max champ.

will7612

Thanks to all the Comrades and their anwers, I will keep selling 1* and 2* at 144; don´t have patience to start over a 3rd and 4th character, and dont wanna spend my HP on extra slots.
I agree 1/2* to 5* could be good characters, but my 5* roster feels solid enough to have some fun.

WhiteBomber

@will7612 said:
Thanks to all the Comrades and their anwers, I will keep selling 1* and 2* at 144; don´t have patience to start over a 3rd and 4th character, and dont wanna spend my HP on extra slots.
I agree 1/2* to 5* could be good characters, but my 5* roster feels solid enough to have some fun.

If you're trying to have more fun and maybe win more, perhaps at least consider ascending the stronger ones:

• Juggernaut
• Spiderman
• and maybe Yelena Belova or Electro

I can't imagine there is any reason at all not to do Juggernaut or Spidy, I would replace multiple 4 stars for them if I absolutely had to.

entrailbucket

@will7612 said:
Thanks to all the Comrades and their anwers, I will keep selling 1* and 2* at 144; don´t have patience to start over a 3rd and 4th character, and dont wanna spend my HP on extra slots.
I agree 1/2* to 5* could be good characters, but my 5* roster feels solid enough to have some fun.

Just curious -- if you're not interested in building out your 5* roster or upgrading anyone to 5*, but you're still playing , plus farming 1* and 2* for rewards...what do you plan to do with the rewards?

will7612

@entrailbucket said:

@will7612 said:
Thanks to all the Comrades and their anwers, I will keep selling 1* and 2* at 144; don´t have patience to start over a 3rd and 4th character, and dont wanna spend my HP on extra slots.
I agree 1/2* to 5* could be good characters, but my 5* roster feels solid enough to have some fun.

Just curious -- if you're not interested in building out your 5* roster or upgrading anyone to 5*, but you're still playing , plus farming 1* and 2* for rewards...what do you plan to do with the rewards?

Upgrade my 4/5*, and buy the Anniversary vaults
Also gotta buy spots for the new characters
I don't consider 1 to 5* worth time and patience

BriMan2222

@will7612 said:

@entrailbucket said:

@will7612 said:
Thanks to all the Comrades and their anwers, I will keep selling 1* and 2* at 144; don´t have patience to start over a 3rd and 4th character, and dont wanna spend my HP on extra slots.
I agree 1/2* to 5* could be good characters, but my 5* roster feels solid enough to have some fun.

Just curious -- if you're not interested in building out your 5* roster or upgrading anyone to 5*, but you're still playing , plus farming 1* and 2* for rewards...what do you plan to do with the rewards?

Upgrade my 4/5*, and buy the Anniversary vaults
Also gotta buy spots for the new characters
I don't consider 1 to 5* worth time and patience

The 1 to 5 star are definitely worth the time and patience or the $20 if the offer an already ascended one pops up. As EB said, at the very least Juggs and spiderman are. They are both incredibly strong when boosted (and they're boosted ALOT) and it's pretty easy to get them to 550 once you ascend them.

entrailbucket

@BriMan2222 said:

@will7612 said:

@entrailbucket said:

@will7612 said:
Thanks to all the Comrades and their anwers, I will keep selling 1* and 2* at 144; don´t have patience to start over a 3rd and 4th character, and dont wanna spend my HP on extra slots.
I agree 1/2* to 5* could be good characters, but my 5* roster feels solid enough to have some fun.

Just curious -- if you're not interested in building out your 5* roster or upgrading anyone to 5*, but you're still playing , plus farming 1* and 2* for rewards...what do you plan to do with the rewards?

Upgrade my 4/5*, and buy the Anniversary vaults
Also gotta buy spots for the new characters
I don't consider 1 to 5* worth time and patience

The 1 to 5 star are definitely worth the time and patience or the $20 if the offer an already ascended one pops up. As EB said, at the very least Juggs and spiderman are. They are both incredibly strong when boosted (and they're boosted ALOT) and it's pretty easy to get them to 550 once you ascend them.

Don't forget Yelena on that list.

The others are playable too, just not insane.

entrailbucket

@WhiteBomber said:

@will7612 said:
Thanks to all the Comrades and their anwers, I will keep selling 1* and 2* at 144; don´t have patience to start over a 3rd and 4th character, and dont wanna spend my HP on extra slots.
I agree 1/2* to 5* could be good characters, but my 5* roster feels solid enough to have some fun.

If you're trying to have more fun and maybe win more, perhaps at least consider ascending the stronger ones:

• Juggernaut
• Spiderman
• and maybe Yelena Belova or Electro

I can't imagine there is any reason at all not to do Juggernaut or Spidy, I would replace multiple 4 stars for them if I absolutely had to.

If you're going to include 2*, then Nightcrawler and Ares are definitely on that list too. There may be more -- I don't have everyone fully levelled yet. I think 2* Wolverine will be there.

Edit: how did I forget 2* Daken? He might be the best of all of them!

ThaRoadWarrior

I really like the crit spam you get from Iron Patriot even though mine is still a 2*. I'm looking at my roster, and I seem to have 3 3* Juggernauts with one at 265, and a fourth at just 5 black covers somehow. I guess I was just getting the 1,000hp pre-ascended offers when they'd show up? I also seem to have a pair of 3* venoms, a 3* original spider-man at 266 anda 2* at 120, a 266 classic hawkeye with a partially built dupe...these guys level up relatively quickly even just from organic F2P cover aquisition. I feel like it's worth it to do so.

ThisisClemFandango

@entrailbucket said:

@will7612 said:
Thanks to all the Comrades and their anwers, I will keep selling 1* and 2* at 144; don´t have patience to start over a 3rd and 4th character, and dont wanna spend my HP on extra slots.
I agree 1/2* to 5* could be good characters, but my 5* roster feels solid enough to have some fun.

Just curious -- if you're not interested in building out your 5* roster or upgrading anyone to 5*, but you're still playing , plus farming 1* and 2* for rewards...what do you plan to do with the rewards?

I'm going to Disneyland