Ascended Winners and Losers

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  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 344 Mover and Shaker

    The best part is attack tiles are about 20% the value of a protect tile (maybe less), yet his attack tile comes out half the strength of Luke's protect. Someone on the inside doesn't like Ironfist.

  • Timemachinego
    Timemachinego Posts: 488 Mover and Shaker

    Yowch, you're really not joking there.

  • rainkingucd
    rainkingucd Posts: 1,414 Chairperson of the Boards

    @entrailbucket said:

    @Timemachinego said:

    @entrailbucket said:
    Hey, don't overlook the fact that you get a strength 4500 protect tile every single turn for free (if he's boosted it'll be almost 10k, too).

    I have a feeling Luke Cage is going to start showing up on those lists of "best guys to ascend" now -- I want royalties!

    Hey, maybe I can go back to running luke cage, iron fist and doc strange like I did when I didn't have anything better! Progress!

    Unfortunately Luke Cage got all the numbers in the Heroes for Hire partnership. Iron Fist is not very good.

    Lvl452, unboosted:

    Sadly that damage on Iron Fist of K'un-Lun is better than Echo's version (456 unboosted):

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,809 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 8 September 2024, 18:10

    Just in case anybody forgot about him (lvl606, boosted stats):

    If you have lvl5 Tinkerer you only need 1 black AP.

  • Pantera236
    Pantera236 Posts: 520 Critical Contributor

    @entrailbucket said:
    Just in case anybody forgot about him (lvl606, boosted stats):

    If you have lvl5 Tinkerer you only need 1 black AP.

    This week I'm running 672 1a5 Juggs and a 468 pre boost Prowler with implanted bomb on Juggs and Tinkerer on Prowler. I take +2 all and + 2 red green and black. I'm starting the match with 10 black so fire Prowler for 60k in strikes, make one black match and bomb gives you 1 more black ap (not sure if always but seemed to be) so can fire black again for 60k more strikes. Oh and Tinkerer hits for like 5k + strikes every time you match a fortified enemy tile. It gets pretty crazy.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,809 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Pantera236 said:

    @entrailbucket said:
    Just in case anybody forgot about him (lvl606, boosted stats):

    If you have lvl5 Tinkerer you only need 1 black AP.

    This week I'm running 672 1a5 Juggs and a 468 pre boost Prowler with implanted bomb on Juggs and Tinkerer on Prowler. I take +2 all and + 2 red green and black. I'm starting the match with 10 black so fire Prowler for 60k in strikes, make one black match and bomb gives you 1 more black ap (not sure if always but seemed to be) so can fire black again for 60k more strikes. Oh and Tinkerer hits for like 5k + strikes every time you match a fortified enemy tile. It gets pretty crazy.

    I'm using 4* Hawkeye (Ronin) with the arrow support, and the other character will have Pizza Dog. Getting free attack tiles and sometimes tripling Prowler's strikes is nuts.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,441 Chairperson of the Boards

    Iron fist gives ascended cage all that black he needs for jab jab though - that power really seemed to come alive

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,809 Chairperson of the Boards

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:
    Iron fist gives ascended cage all that black he needs for jab jab though - that power really seemed to come alive

    I know they won't tell us the specifics, but I wish there was at least some rule of thumb we could use to see which characters or powers get good. It's just very inconsistent.

  • JoeHandle
    JoeHandle Posts: 510 Critical Contributor

    Naturally, I have 3Fist much farther along then 3Cage :dizzy:
    Always used him for spamming black anyway.

    Reminder that 3Cage makes ONE protect tile, and replaces it if destroyed. Somewhere up there it was said he makes a tile every turn. If it's missing, sure he does. Only if it's not present at start of his tuen, tho.

  • captainheath
    captainheath Posts: 254 Mover and Shaker

    Has anyone gotten 3 star Black Widow to 5 star yet? If so, does the purple still cost 11 to make 6 green? What is the green damage? Thanks.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,809 Chairperson of the Boards

    @captainheath said:
    Has anyone gotten 3 star Black Widow to 5 star yet? If so, does the purple still cost 11 to make 6 green? What is the green damage? Thanks.

    I don't have her and haven't seen her yet.

  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 5,807 Chairperson of the Boards

    I honesty can’t imagine it’s worth focusing on 3BW as we really haven’t seen a single case that I’m aware of where ap costs dropped for a 3-5.

    She seems like a permanent reward engine at this point in the game. An antiquated design there’s no point in updating.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,809 Chairperson of the Boards

    @bluewolf said:
    I honesty can’t imagine it’s worth focusing on 3BW as we really haven’t seen a single case that I’m aware of where ap costs dropped for a 3-5.

    She seems like a permanent reward engine at this point in the game. An antiquated design there’s no point in updating.

    I can't remember if anybody's AP costs drop.

    The bigger problem with her is that I'm not sure how far you could realistically drop that power before it becomes a problem.

    Yeah, I know Shang-Chi exists, but the GSBW power is actually quite a bit better in terms of infinite...ness. it's similar to the old 2* Magneto power (the original Winfinite) that they ended up having to nerf.

  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 5,807 Chairperson of the Boards

    If you’re in a position to ascend 3BW to a 5, you’ve probably got numerous winfinite teams you could run already.

    I don’t think they’d drop the cost but sure. You could use a cheaper power to just spam yourself to a win on offense.

  • rainkingucd
    rainkingucd Posts: 1,414 Chairperson of the Boards

    @entrailbucket said:

    @bluewolf said:
    I honesty can’t imagine it’s worth focusing on 3BW as we really haven’t seen a single case that I’m aware of where ap costs dropped for a 3-5.

    She seems like a permanent reward engine at this point in the game. An antiquated design there’s no point in updating.

    I can't remember if anybody's AP costs drop.

    1* Yelena's Black and Hood Yellow drop in AP cost when ascended

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,809 Chairperson of the Boards

    @bluewolf said:
    If you’re in a position to ascend 3BW to a 5, you’ve probably got numerous winfinite teams you could run already.

    I don’t think they’d drop the cost but sure. You could use a cheaper power to just spam yourself to a win on offense.

    I'm not sure. Given enough time, everyone will ascend the 3s to 5s. Sure, it takes a lot of resources right now, but people used to say that about 550ing 5*, and now every single player gets a 550 m'Thor just for signing up (I think).

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,441 Chairperson of the Boards

    My best is still 487 Profe$$or X….

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,441 Chairperson of the Boards

    At 4* black widow’s power costs are still laughably high. Mine is at 282. What’s funny is that her green cost goes up every level you put on it - costs 15 at one cover up to 19 at 5 covers. Same with red, starts at 12 at one cover up to 17 at five, and purple just costs 11 all the time. I never noticed that before.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,809 Chairperson of the Boards

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:
    At 4* black widow’s power costs are still laughably high. Mine is at 282. What’s funny is that her green cost goes up every level you put on it - costs 15 at one cover up to 19 at 5 covers. Same with red, starts at 12 at one cover up to 17 at five, and purple just costs 11 all the time. I never noticed that before.

    She's really, really old -- they used to mess with AP costs a lot. I think OBW has something similar. There were a few guys who got AP discounts the more covers they had, too.

  • JoeHandle
    JoeHandle Posts: 510 Critical Contributor
    edited 11 September 2024, 08:19

    @entrailbucket said:

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:
    At 4* black widow’s power costs are still laughably high. Mine is at 282. What’s funny is that her green cost goes up every level you put on it - costs 15 at one cover up to 19 at 5 covers. Same with red, starts at 12 at one cover up to 17 at five, and purple just costs 11 all the time. I never noticed that before.

    She's really, really old -- they used to mess with AP costs a lot. I think OBW has something similar. There were a few guys who got AP discounts the more covers they had, too.

    1juggs still does.

    GSBW is a top 3* to ascend, from my perspective. She feeds terrible characters, has a useful kit, and would very much benefit from a larger health pool. No reason not to ascend her!

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