MARVEL PUZZLE QUEST – 10 YEAR CELEBRATION

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  • Bad
    Bad Posts: 3,146 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Alfje17 said:

    So do ascended levels give 3 or 4 times more rewards? I find it difficult to believe that using 4 covers to ascend one level is better than adding 4 champ levels (purely from a rewards-perspective). If you like the character, then go for it, but farming ascended champs doesn't seem worth it.

    You can see it from this pov: 126 3* covers + 200k iso > 1'5 5* covers.

  • Vhailorx
    Vhailorx Posts: 6,085 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Bad said:

    @Alfje17 said:

    So do ascended levels give 3 or 4 times more rewards? I find it difficult to believe that using 4 covers to ascend one level is better than adding 4 champ levels (purely from a rewards-perspective). If you like the character, then go for it, but farming ascended champs doesn't seem worth it.

    You can see it from this pov: 126 3* covers + 200k iso > 1'5 5* covers.

    Well, that's a sales proposition from BCS rather than a statement of value, so ymmv. Also, isn't it 1.5x 5" covers v. 0.5, 5" covers + 126x 3* covers + iso? There is still a half cover worth of Kang shards in there, yeah?

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,971 Chairperson of the Boards

    I'm increasingly convinced that the major "reward" from Ascension is getting a really, really strong character to use.

    I've ascended almost all the 4* from the first batch and a bunch of them were boosted in the boss event. These guys are pretty universally NUTS with +100 levels.

    Like, I don't know if I'm taking a hit on rewards, but I do know that 470 MODOK, with the boost, is the best character on my roster and it's not close.

  • Blackstone
    Blackstone Posts: 603 Critical Contributor

    @entrailbucket said:
    I'm increasingly convinced that the major "reward" from Ascension is getting a really, really strong character to use.

    I've ascended almost all the 4* from the first batch and a bunch of them were boosted in the boss event. These guys are pretty universally NUTS with +100 levels.

    Like, I don't know if I'm taking a hit on rewards, but I do know that 470 MODOK, with the boost, is the best character on my roster and it's not close.

    I didn't have Boosted Ascended MODOK being in the conversation for best character on my Anniversary bingo card.

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    @entrailbucket said:
    I'm increasingly convinced that the major "reward" from Ascension is getting a really, really strong character to use.

    I've ascended almost all the 4* from the first batch and a bunch of them were boosted in the boss event. These guys are pretty universally NUTS with +100 levels.

    Like, I don't know if I'm taking a hit on rewards, but I do know that 470 MODOK, with the boost, is the best character on my roster and it's not close.

    Ascended Nico was nice.
    Shame I sold my 370 Rogue a year ago, the dupe just hit 370 again.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,971 Chairperson of the Boards

    So...like...the issue here is that this screws with the farming calculus that we've all been doing.

    MODOK is a feeder, and he gives out shards for Arcade. Well, I've seen some folks say that you shouldn't ascend feeder 4* because you'll miss out on rewards -- specifically the 5* shards.

    Here's the problem: MODOK at 5* is better than Arcade, all day every day, and twice when he's boosted. So if the point of farming is to turn bad/useless covers into good/useful ones, what do we do now? Arcade should be feeding MODOK!

  • Vhailorx
    Vhailorx Posts: 6,085 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited October 2023

    @entrailbucket said:
    So...like...the issue here is that this screws with the farming calculus that we've all been doing.

    MODOK is a feeder, and he gives out shards for Arcade. Well, I've seen some folks say that you shouldn't ascend feeder 4* because you'll miss out on rewards -- specifically the 5* shards.

    Here's the problem: MODOK at 5* is better than Arcade, all day every day, and twice when he's boosted. So if the point of farming is to turn bad/useless covers into good/useful ones, what do we do now? Arcade should be feeding MODOK!

    Modok does something still relatively rate at the 5* tier (cheap tile spawning), and his powers hit pretty hard and aren't very yard to pull off. I'm not at all surprised that he is viable in 5* land. He has always been a solid 4* and is overlooked mostly because he joined a hideously bloated 4* roster.

    But is he really that much better than the staple 5* meta teams we all know and love/hate? He might be a little faster when boosted or good against certain opponents, but mostly he is just fun variety. That's very hard to quantify in terms of objective value.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,971 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited October 2023

    @Vhailorx said:

    @entrailbucket said:
    So...like...the issue here is that this screws with the farming calculus that we've all been doing.

    MODOK is a feeder, and he gives out shards for Arcade. Well, I've seen some folks say that you shouldn't ascend feeder 4* because you'll miss out on rewards -- specifically the 5* shards.

    Here's the problem: MODOK at 5* is better than Arcade, all day every day, and twice when he's boosted. So if the point of farming is to turn bad/useless covers into good/useful ones, what do we do now? Arcade should be feeding MODOK!

    Modok does something still relatively rate at the 5* tier (cheap tile spawning), and his powers hit pretty hard and aren't very yard to pull off. I'm not at all surprised that he is viable in 5* land. He has always been a solid 4* and is overlooked mostly because he joined a hideously bloated 4* roster.

    But is he really that much better than the stable 5* meta teams we all know and love/hate? He might be a little faster when boosted or good against certain opponents, but mostly he is just fun variety. That's very hard to quantify in terms of objective value.

    I don't know. I don't use the "meta" teams, I'm literally always running boosted characters.

    I guess it comes down to why you're farming and what you're farming for. For me, the basic goal was to turn 4* covers, which were useless to me, into 5* covers, which are useful.

    Now, MODOK covers are absolutely more useful than Arcade covers. What other characters is this true for? I think Gambit/Rogue is a pretty strong possibility. Who are some others?

    What does this mean for your specific farming goals? Don't continue farming just because you always have, or because someone did math that found one path was more "optimal!" This is a big change and it is worth revisiting the whys of what you do currently.

  • Bad
    Bad Posts: 3,146 Chairperson of the Boards

    Besides all that, obviously for a new player, and ascended kang will be easily their best character in a long long time.
    They adquire a champed 4*, easy to level up without any real cost but buying him with HP.
    And probably that was the goal of that anniversary lighting vault (although a 5* player could annoy. But again we 5* players are minority)

  • Vhailorx
    Vhailorx Posts: 6,085 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited October 2023

    And now a max support lightning vault. If 6k HP vaults are going to be a thing then people will have to decide how much HP they can spend over the next 2 weeks.

    I didn't go for Kang in the end as I suspected that future vaults might be even more compelling. A 5* support is certainly harder to get than most other items in the game right now, but relatively few supports have a major impact on player experience. [Edit: and as noted below there are changes coming to the support system, so the rarity of 5* supports may be about to fall significnatly.]

    As a set, these lightning vaults are starting to feel like mid value luxury items. Not worthwhile for everyone, but maybe a good buy if they contain something that is especially useful to given player (e.g., champ levels for key character, an unopened support, or favorite ascended hero, etc).

  • rainkingucd
    rainkingucd Posts: 1,433 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Tony_Foot said:
    Yeah I see the current value with a 5* support in these vaults. But we know coming down the road is a system to level them up. This feels like a grab before devaluing this type of offer. I have a level 4 quantum already, I don't think I gain much going to level 5.

    I went for this one with the 5* support since I have an abundance of HP post Ascension day. I'm sitting on double my normal stash of HP, so I figured nothing to lose. It may be devalued in the future, but I got a shiny 5* support for now

  • Dogface
    Dogface Posts: 1,000 Chairperson of the Boards

    @rainkingucd said:

    @Tony_Foot said:
    Yeah I see the current value with a 5* support in these vaults. But we know coming down the road is a system to level them up. This feels like a grab before devaluing this type of offer. I have a level 4 quantum already, I don't think I gain much going to level 5.

    I went for this one with the 5* support since I have an abundance of HP post Ascension day. I'm sitting on double my normal stash of HP, so I figured nothing to lose. It may be devalued in the future, but I got a shiny 5* support for now

    So it is indeed a 5* support, bc if you click on it, it seems you are getting a 3* support.

  • rainkingucd
    rainkingucd Posts: 1,433 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Dogface said:

    @rainkingucd said:

    @Tony_Foot said:
    Yeah I see the current value with a 5* support in these vaults. But we know coming down the road is a system to level them up. This feels like a grab before devaluing this type of offer. I have a level 4 quantum already, I don't think I gain much going to level 5.

    I went for this one with the 5* support since I have an abundance of HP post Ascension day. I'm sitting on double my normal stash of HP, so I figured nothing to lose. It may be devalued in the future, but I got a shiny 5* support for now

    So it is indeed a 5* support, bc if you click on it, it seems you are getting a 3* support.

    it is yeah. I noticed it highlighted the L1 and L3 perks, but I think that was because I had the 3* already. Now that I have the 5*, all 3 perks are highlighted.

  • Glockoma
    Glockoma Posts: 555 Critical Contributor

    Just a side question: Are supports still coming to pvp?

  • Chrynos1989
    Chrynos1989 Posts: 350 Mover and Shaker

    So, next week is another boss event?
    Or is it an error in the timetable?

  • Vhailorx
    Vhailorx Posts: 6,085 Chairperson of the Boards

    Now a fosthor vault. Good character, but not one that benefits hugely from champ levels (compared to someone like SC). No doubt purchase for anyone with 6k HP to spare and an unfinished fosthor, but not something I will go for myself.

  • Daredevil217
    Daredevil217 Posts: 3,993 Chairperson of the Boards

    Does anyone know when we are supposed to get the preview for Peggy? I’m wondering if I want to open up a bunch of tokens and go all in on the current latest or if I should wait.

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Vhailorx said:
    Now a fosthor vault. Good character, but not one that benefits hugely from champ levels (compared to someone like SC). No doubt purchase for anyone with 6k HP to spare and an unfinished fosthor, but not something I will go for myself.

    Lol what?
    Her damage skyrockets with levels, put some on her.

  • Vhailorx
    Vhailorx Posts: 6,085 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited October 2023

    @Bowgentle said:

    @Vhailorx said:
    Now a fosthor vault. Good character, but not one that benefits hugely from champ levels (compared to someone like SC). No doubt purchase for anyone with 6k HP to spare and an unfinished fosthor, but not something I will go for myself.

    Lol what?
    Her damage skyrockets with levels, put some on her.

    Yes, health and power damage is good. But she doesn't true heal and a huge amount of her value is passive boardshake that has nothing to do with her level. So unless you are reliant on maximum damage from her actives the increased chance of her tanking makes her less sustainable as you add champ levels. It's not that she gains nothing from levels, she just doesn't gain as much as someone like SC, or okoye, or HEvo, oe colossus for whom each level is all upside.

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