MARVEL PUZZLE QUEST – 10 YEAR CELEBRATION

ArchusMonk

@Vhailorx said:
Now a good 5* cover, but the shards are downgraded to 3* shards and one of the 4* covers is replaced with a 3* covers. Seems like the are experimenting to see how little value they can put in these lighting vaults while still bleeding HP from the playerbase.

Similar to what they did for lightning deals.

KGB

I'm basically buying ones with R5 supports in them.

A single 5 star cover or even multiple aren't worth much unless it's on an uncovered character.

KGB

Vhailorx

@KGB said:
I'm basically buying ones with R5 supports in them.

A single 5 star cover or even multiple aren't worth much unless it's on an uncovered character.

KGB

Definitely true in the short run. But as others have pointed out to me, you can't get to level 490+ without going through the 460s and 470s. So in the long run it does pay to get every plausibly achievable cover for top tier characters like SC. The only question is whether a cost like 6k HP for 1 good cover is worth the opportunity cost. IMO it's not right now for BRB, but maybe it would be for SC or Okoye. And each player's roster and financial position makes a big impact on the calculation.

KGB

@Vhailorx said:

@KGB said:
I'm basically buying ones with R5 supports in them.

A single 5 star cover or even multiple aren't worth much unless it's on an uncovered character.

KGB

Definitely true in the short run. But as others have pointed out to me, you can't get to level 490+ without going through the 460s and 470s. So in the long run it does pay to get every plausibly achievable cover for top tier characters like SC. The only question is whether a cost like 6k HP for 1 good cover is worth the opportunity cost. IMO it's not right now for BRB, but maybe it would be for SC or Okoye. And each player's roster and financial position makes a big impact on the calculation.

But now with ascension there is a new calculus. That is, struggling to get 5 star characters to L550 may be WAY slower that getting ascended characters (esp the 1 and 2 stars) to 550. So much so that you may bog down trying to get more than 1 or 2 to 550 at least for the average player like us.

So if you get a bunch of 550s then those 5 stars that you've been working on that are at 470-490 may simply be so far behind they are unusable especially newer ones that your working hard on in the 460 range like OR.

Too early to know for sure about ascension but from what we've seen posted many players who purchased a 450 ascended 1* already have that character in the 480s and above which says by Xmas they will have them at 550 which is an incredible pace.

KGB

Bowgentle

Unless those players play PVP 24/7, or hoarded standard tokens for years, no, they won't.
It's still pretty slow to level up ascended 1s.

Vhailorx

@KGB said:

@Vhailorx said:

@KGB said:
I'm basically buying ones with R5 supports in them.

A single 5 star cover or even multiple aren't worth much unless it's on an uncovered character.

KGB

Definitely true in the short run. But as others have pointed out to me, you can't get to level 490+ without going through the 460s and 470s. So in the long run it does pay to get every plausibly achievable cover for top tier characters like SC. The only question is whether a cost like 6k HP for 1 good cover is worth the opportunity cost. IMO it's not right now for BRB, but maybe it would be for SC or Okoye. And each player's roster and financial position makes a big impact on the calculation.

But now with ascension there is a new calculus. That is, struggling to get 5 star characters to L550 may be WAY slower that getting ascended characters (esp the 1 and 2 stars) to 550. So much so that you may bog down trying to get more than 1 or 2 to 550 at least for the average player like us.

So if you get a bunch of 550s then those 5 stars that you've been working on that are at 470-490 may simply be so far behind they are unusable especially newer ones that your working hard on in the 460 range like OR.

Too early to know for sure about ascension but from what we've seen posted many players who purchased a 450 ascended 1* already have that character in the 480s and above which says by Xmas they will have them at 550 which is an incredible pace.

KGB

I think you are slightling overestimating the rate at which people get 1* covers. Given the cost of naturally building a fully ascended 1*, the rate of 5:1 cover accrual must be ~1:13 just to break even. I don't expect 550 ascended building to go much faster for regular players than regular 5* building does (i.e., glacially). The $20 ascended 5* offers may have been decent $/cover value from this perspective, but if it was too good relative to BCS' expectations then I doubt we will see another offer like very often (if ever).

Bowgentle

@Vhailorx said:

@KGB said:

@Vhailorx said:

@KGB said:
I'm basically buying ones with R5 supports in them.

A single 5 star cover or even multiple aren't worth much unless it's on an uncovered character.

KGB

Definitely true in the short run. But as others have pointed out to me, you can't get to level 490+ without going through the 460s and 470s. So in the long run it does pay to get every plausibly achievable cover for top tier characters like SC. The only question is whether a cost like 6k HP for 1 good cover is worth the opportunity cost. IMO it's not right now for BRB, but maybe it would be for SC or Okoye. And each player's roster and financial position makes a big impact on the calculation.

But now with ascension there is a new calculus. That is, struggling to get 5 star characters to L550 may be WAY slower that getting ascended characters (esp the 1 and 2 stars) to 550. So much so that you may bog down trying to get more than 1 or 2 to 550 at least for the average player like us.

So if you get a bunch of 550s then those 5 stars that you've been working on that are at 470-490 may simply be so far behind they are unusable especially newer ones that your working hard on in the 460 range like OR.

Too early to know for sure about ascension but from what we've seen posted many players who purchased a 450 ascended 1* already have that character in the 480s and above which says by Xmas they will have them at 550 which is an incredible pace.

KGB

I think you are slightling overestimating the rate at which people get 1* covers. Given the cost of naturally building a fully ascended 1*, the rate of 5:1 cover accrual must be ~1:13 just to break even. I don't expect 550 ascended building to go much faster for regular players than regular 5* building does (i.e., glacially). The $20 ascended 5* offers may have been decent $/cover value from this perspective, but if it was too good relative to BCS' expectations then I doubt we will see another offer like very often (if ever).

They will 100% offer all the 1s like that.
Only reason they stopped is because we haven't gotten the next batch yet.

Vhailorx

@Bowgentle said:

@Vhailorx said:

@KGB said:

@Vhailorx said:

@KGB said:
I'm basically buying ones with R5 supports in them.

A single 5 star cover or even multiple aren't worth much unless it's on an uncovered character.

KGB

Definitely true in the short run. But as others have pointed out to me, you can't get to level 490+ without going through the 460s and 470s. So in the long run it does pay to get every plausibly achievable cover for top tier characters like SC. The only question is whether a cost like 6k HP for 1 good cover is worth the opportunity cost. IMO it's not right now for BRB, but maybe it would be for SC or Okoye. And each player's roster and financial position makes a big impact on the calculation.

But now with ascension there is a new calculus. That is, struggling to get 5 star characters to L550 may be WAY slower that getting ascended characters (esp the 1 and 2 stars) to 550. So much so that you may bog down trying to get more than 1 or 2 to 550 at least for the average player like us.

So if you get a bunch of 550s then those 5 stars that you've been working on that are at 470-490 may simply be so far behind they are unusable especially newer ones that your working hard on in the 460 range like OR.

Too early to know for sure about ascension but from what we've seen posted many players who purchased a 450 ascended 1* already have that character in the 480s and above which says by Xmas they will have them at 550 which is an incredible pace.

KGB

I think you are slightling overestimating the rate at which people get 1* covers. Given the cost of naturally building a fully ascended 1*, the rate of 5:1 cover accrual must be ~1:13 just to break even. I don't expect 550 ascended building to go much faster for regular players than regular 5* building does (i.e., glacially). The $20 ascended 5* offers may have been decent $/cover value from this perspective, but if it was too good relative to BCS' expectations then I doubt we will see another offer like very often (if ever).

They will 100% offer all the 1s like that.
Only reason they stopped is because we haven't gotten the next batch yet.

Offer for sale? Yes, definitely. Offer at $20 each? That depends on how many people bought the first batch and what d3/BCS' fiscal/player- progressions targets are, etc.

Vhailorx

Today's lightning vault is another 4* cover as the main item. There is a half cover for a decent 5* in there too, but the second random 4* cover is downgraded to a 3* again. So this may be the worst vault yet. And they have all cost 6k HP.

Daredevil217

Idk how many of these we are getting but I’m basically holding my hero points for the ones with rank 5 supports. Those are so rare that they are the equivalent of a 550 in my eyes. All the other vaults just don’t compare.

Seph1roth5

I probably should've pulled the trigger on quantum realm, a 5* support is much more difficult to get than a couple 5* or roster slots.

bbigler

Perhaps it’s purposely bad so that you jump on other offers? That’s a classic sales trick. Have you noticed the ISO “deal”? Right now you can buy 780K ISO for $100 dollars, but yesterday you could buy the lightning chain for $15 and get 750K ISO!

Vhailorx

@bbigler said:
Perhaps it’s purposely bad so that you jump on other offers? That’s a classic sales trick. Have you noticed the ISO “deal”? Right now you can buy 780K ISO for $100 dollars, but yesterday you could buy the lightning chain for $15 and get 750K ISO!

I am quite sure that there are consulting firms selling their services to game devs with the sales pitch that they can "optimize monetization strategies." That means implementing exactly these sorts of techniques. I recognize that game devs need to make money to support the people who make this enjoyable game, but is disheartening to think about just how predatory game monetization has become in the past 20 years.

St_Bernadus

So is a 48 hr Florida sub in the spirit of the anniversary or not in the spirit? I am torn.

BlixTheFrog

I’d really like to have an answer to this question : we know last Metassential Vault, in 2 days, will be like the first (the Kang one), but what will happen after that ? There’ll be two weeks remaining for getting Meta Tokens from the big vault... where will it be pulled from? I mean, if it’s from the "costumes" one I might want to pull all those extra Tokens BEFORE the last Vault opens.

Some clarification on this would be nice.

Carnifex

@BlixTheFrog said:
I’d really like to have an answer to this question : we know last Metassential Vault, in 2 days, will be like the first (the Kang one), but what will happen after that ? There’ll be two weeks remaining for getting Meta Tokens from the big vault... where will it be pulled from? I mean, if it’s from the "costumes" one I might want to pull all those extra Tokens BEFORE the last Vault opens.

Some clarification on this would be nice.

All three weeks worth of metaessential vaults are rerunning, back to Kang week this Thursday.

BlixTheFrog

@Carnifex said:

@BlixTheFrog said:
I’d really like to have an answer to this question : we know last Metassential Vault, in 2 days, will be like the first (the Kang one), but what will happen after that ? There’ll be two weeks remaining for getting Meta Tokens from the big vault... where will it be pulled from? I mean, if it’s from the "costumes" one I might want to pull all those extra Tokens BEFORE the last Vault opens.

Some clarification on this would be nice.

All three weeks worth of metaessential vaults are rerunning, back to Kang week this Thursday.

You mean after Kang the two others will go again? That’s official?

Scofie

@BlixTheFrog said:

@Carnifex said:

@BlixTheFrog said:
I’d really like to have an answer to this question : we know last Metassential Vault, in 2 days, will be like the first (the Kang one), but what will happen after that ? There’ll be two weeks remaining for getting Meta Tokens from the big vault... where will it be pulled from? I mean, if it’s from the "costumes" one I might want to pull all those extra Tokens BEFORE the last Vault opens.

Some clarification on this would be nice.

All three weeks worth of metaessential vaults are rerunning, back to Kang week this Thursday.

You mean after Kang the two others will go again? That’s official?

It was confirmed on Discord by @S0kun himself!

Vhailorx

@Scofie said:

@BlixTheFrog said:

@Carnifex said:

@BlixTheFrog said:
I’d really like to have an answer to this question : we know last Metassential Vault, in 2 days, will be like the first (the Kang one), but what will happen after that ? There’ll be two weeks remaining for getting Meta Tokens from the big vault... where will it be pulled from? I mean, if it’s from the "costumes" one I might want to pull all those extra Tokens BEFORE the last Vault opens.

Some clarification on this would be nice.

All three weeks worth of metaessential vaults are rerunning, back to Kang week this Thursday.

You mean after Kang the two others will go again? That’s official?

It was confirmed on Discord by @S0kun himself!

Confirmed that all 3 meta vaults will repeat? Or that their contents will be exactly the same? I would expect some tinkering (e.g., I doubt there would be 5.25k iso in the Kang vault if BCS could do the whole thing over again).

BlixTheFrog

@Scofie said:

@BlixTheFrog said:

@Carnifex said:

@BlixTheFrog said:
I’d really like to have an answer to this question : we know last Metassential Vault, in 2 days, will be like the first (the Kang one), but what will happen after that ? There’ll be two weeks remaining for getting Meta Tokens from the big vault... where will it be pulled from? I mean, if it’s from the "costumes" one I might want to pull all those extra Tokens BEFORE the last Vault opens.

Some clarification on this would be nice.

All three weeks worth of metaessential vaults are rerunning, back to Kang week this Thursday.

You mean after Kang the two others will go again? That’s official?

It was confirmed on Discord by @S0kun himself!

Well thanks for the info! That still doesn’t tell us on which Vault the unused tokens will be used when the whole thing is ended... if you have the chance to ask on Discord?