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  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited February 2023

    I'm more interested to see how they one-up the ex-dev in terms of compensation if they decided to nerf Chasm hard.

    I think it was a maximum of 113 5* only token for max champed 550. I remember the formula was different for undercovered 5*.

    I think we could wait for the reaction to the next 5*. Kang/He who Remains is a popular guess and he's thematic in ending Chasm's reign.

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    Every time this thread revives, goalposts are moved.
    Incredible.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,999 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Bowgentle said:
    Every time this thread revives, goalposts are moved.
    Incredible.

    Go read the Gambit stuff or the Bishop stuff (or the 3* Spidey stuff, or any overpowered character ever). It's all the same arguments over and over.

    We're missing two of my all-time favorites though:

    "Don't nerf Chasm, just make every other character as good as he is!"

    and, the best one:

    "These are superheroes, they should be powerful!"

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    "A nerf would be a slap in the face of the people who hoarded or spent to get him to 550"

  • Bad
    Bad Posts: 3,146 Chairperson of the Boards

    You can have a character stunning all the team, or draining the useful AP, or reviving.
    But you can't have the same character doing all these things and also quickly and also for free, because happens what it happened.
    Ways to nerf him: probably only drain the strongest character color.
    Compensation? Is there any compensation worthy of selling a 5*? However I expect gifts for a partial nerf.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,999 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Bowgentle said:
    "A nerf would be a slap in the face of the people who hoarded or spent to get him to 550"

    I really do miss those few years when the developers were just wandering around randomly slapping players in the face every couple weeks.

  • LavaManLee
    LavaManLee Posts: 1,465 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Bad said:
    Compensation? Is there any compensation worthy of selling a 5*? However I expect gifts for a partial nerf.

    Not sure what this regime might do but when 5ambit was nerfed, they were quite generous to those who had him and wanted to sell him outright. It was the quickest way for me to clearly enter 5* land at that time.

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited February 2023

    Yeah they learned their lesson after the not so great OML compensation and gave out tokens to a 5* only store containing all 5s excluding Gambit for every cover you had.

  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,287 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Bowgentle said:
    Yeah they learned their lesson after the not so great OML compensation and gave out tokens to a 5* only store containing all 5s excluding Gambit for every cover you had.

    Yes. Except back then there were only about 10 5* in total so a 550 changed in for 113 covers gave you ~11 covers for every other 5*. Now that wouldn't even be 2 covers for every 5* so it would be a horrible idea take the compensation even if Chasm was nerfed to oblivion.

    KGB

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,999 Chairperson of the Boards

    @KGB said:

    @Bowgentle said:
    Yeah they learned their lesson after the not so great OML compensation and gave out tokens to a 5* only store containing all 5s excluding Gambit for every cover you had.

    Yes. Except back then there were only about 10 5* in total so a 550 changed in for 113 covers gave you ~11 covers for every other 5*. Now that wouldn't even be 2 covers for every 5* so it would be a horrible idea take the compensation even if Chasm was nerfed to oblivion.

    KGB

    I'd love 2 covers for every 5*!

    The lesson of a nerf is not to go all in, and to build your roster evenly...and somehow players are, like, determined to not ever learn that. Trading a nerfed character for 100 covers of the next guy who's going to be nerfed seems like a bad plan.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,999 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Tony_Foot said:

    @Bowgentle said:
    Yeah they learned their lesson after the not so great OML compensation and gave out tokens to a 5* only store containing all 5s excluding Gambit for every cover you had.

    That’s not compensation. That’s giving you tokens for a mass of RNG. I have never been a victim of a big nerf really. But the only just compensation when someone has poured thousands of pulls into a character is to let them take those 100 covers and put them on any other character of their choice. Through not fault of their own why should they go through another layer of rng.

    Who made the mistake?

    Who made the mistake? The player who wasted thousands of pulls on one character, when the game has made abundantly clear that they can nerf any character at any time.

  • Codex
    Codex Posts: 321 Mover and Shaker

    @Tony_Foot said:

    @Bowgentle said:
    Yeah they learned their lesson after the not so great OML compensation and gave out tokens to a 5* only store containing all 5s excluding Gambit for every cover you had.

    That’s not compensation. That’s giving you tokens for a mass of RNG. I have never been a victim of a big nerf really. But the only just compensation when someone has poured thousands of pulls into a character is to let them take those 100 covers and put them on any other character of their choice. Through not fault of their own why should they go through another layer of rng.

    Who made the mistake?

    Why should ppl that hoard for 550 benefit? The developer are against hoarding, 100 covers of the player choice is laughable. I would be praying for a nerf every single time.

    My idea is a vault with all 5* released in 2022 or if the developers are generous the 5* from the "our first characters" vault.

    There is no perfect solution. Everyone will need to adjust to the decisions they and the developers have made.

  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited February 2023

    Proper and balanced is subjective. If you remember the thread spanning over 10 or 20 pages containing players' suggestions made to Gambit's nerf, where some were implemented, you would see that other players disagree with the balance and others were fine or happy with it.

    It's the same with the reactions towards Chasm/iHulk counters. The definition of a counter to a meta team is subjective because it contains players' personal opinion of what a counter should be (the attribute it should contain) and some other personal biases that would make their gameplay "easy" and "smooth".

    The only way to resolve these difference is to ask the dev what a "viable" counter to meta team means to them because they are the gamemaster afterall.

  • Borstock
    Borstock Posts: 2,746 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited February 2023

    I don't necessarily agree that it is subjective. There are plenty of really good characters in the game right now that no one asks to be nerfed. Remember, before Chasm, PvP was never more diverse. Many characters got a lot of use, but without the endless "kill this toon" threads. It shouldn't be that difficult to match their relative power and sim it out.

    There's also no reason they can't make a small change and see what happens. If he registers as balanced, great. If he doesn't, they can tweak him again. They literally just did this with Jubilee. The new devs have a lot of goodwill built up among the player base. Maybe it's time to cash in some chips.

  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards

    A lot of good characters don't get nerf threads is because they are glass cannon. When Thorokoye was ruling pvp, the only complain that they got was because it was boring seeing only them despite them being easy to beat. Fast forward the meta after them, the common complains are they made players eat healthpacks or winning matches is slow.

    When Silver Surfer or Black Panther was suggested as a counter to Bishop, the second rebuttal was it put a target on their back. The third one was it was a classic 5* and it's impossible to champ them. The number one rebuttal was players were "punished" for making match-3.

    I believe the current dev has said that they will create counters, analyse the situation before deciding whether nerf is necessary. I think Jubilee is not a good example because she's only relevant after the buff, not nerf. Before that, she wasn't even talked about among 5* players. She simply disappears into the void

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,999 Chairperson of the Boards

    Seems like they already decided. Someone asked if they'd rule out a nerf to Chasm and they said no. When they murder him it's gonna be so satisfying.

  • MrPlow
    MrPlow Posts: 240 Tile Toppler

    If too many are using Chasm as a defensive shield instead of HP then they'll nerf him.

  • Sekilicious
    Sekilicious Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited February 2023

    I’m pretty sure that 550 Chasm cost many more than 100 pulls, considering mine cost around 250. If I spent two years hoarding then they changed the optimal strategy for competing in this game I’m not sure what I would do. 100 choices sounds fair, since the player optimized their strategy to fit the rules of the game to achieve their goals and we’re rewarded by choosing the character they wanted. Suddenly changing the rules to optimize entrailbucket’s roster would be the worst thing possible for literally everyone but entrailbucket (as an example, changing the rules to optimize my own strategy would be worse) and I would have to ban everyone from the forum ensuing fallout (yes all five of you). On the other hand, I would only expect compensation if they nerfed him to the ground. Just getting rid of his ap drain might be a fair compromise. Still meta but manageable with current counters.

    I will believe that a nerf is coming when I see it. All y’all are reading what you want into those comments.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,346 Chairperson of the Boards

    It seems to me that the problem is less Chasm and more Chasm + revive characters. So possibly they can alter him in someway that it affects that synergy? Seems like you can try and take him sideways instead of down. Although the AP drain is a tedious power to deal with, I won't lie, so if that got altered I wouldn't exactly cry.

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