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  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,999 Chairperson of the Boards

    Hela never mattered, she was as bad when she was released as she is now.

    (Actually, funny story -- she was released when Thor/Okoye ran the metagame, and a bunch of people thought her passive "do damage if enemy has x green AP" would be an effective soft counter for Thor...it was not.)

    I believe the suggestion was to redo her to be an anti-resurrection character, since thematically she's like, the god of death or whatever.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,471 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited December 2022

    Yes, the suggestion was that she get a rework and have her death powers do something useful against revivers. Similarly 5* Panther is poised to do something useful against chasm as a dude who claws the face of somebody who just stunned him, and in comics he is “the king of the dead” and would thematically be just fine having some authority over reviving characters.

    I’m sure her passive was intended to counter thor, but as with nearly all the intended soft counters that came out of the previous dev team it was massively under tuned and didn’t do anything.

  • killahKlown
    killahKlown Posts: 585 Critical Contributor

    @Sekilicious said:
    Yes. Thank you for explaining the basics to the players who have been playing for years.

    Ha ha ha.... you win Post of The Day award

  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards

    In the context of differentiating special tiles and character tiles, the in-game faq has provided enough information. I don't think I ever said that the in-game faq contains everything about the game. It doesn't make sense for them to create full documentation of how everything works in the game because they don't have the resources to do so or they don't want the players to use certain information to exploit the game. I think PvP is a good example of how players exploited the game in the past and probably now.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,999 Chairperson of the Boards

    Ah, I see! If they ever revealed which tiles were special, players would exploit that information!

  • Borstock
    Borstock Posts: 2,746 Chairperson of the Boards

    @entrailbucket said:
    Hela never mattered, she was as bad when she was released as she is now.

    Disagree. She was never meta, but boosted she was good and I used her in PvP. She also had some utility with Kitty as a special tile creator and booster.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,999 Chairperson of the Boards

    When Hela was released there were no 5* boosts.

  • killahKlown
    killahKlown Posts: 585 Critical Contributor
    edited December 2022

    I've found hela useful on many occasions. She's in tier Above Average.

    Also strongly disagree about 5* Gamora. She's a Rockstar. 2nd most important and 2nd most used character on my roster.

  • MegaBee
    MegaBee Posts: 1,049 Chairperson of the Boards

    @killahKlown said:
    I've found hela useful on many occasions. She's in tier Above Average.

    Also strongly disagree about 5* Gamora. She's a Rockstar. 2nd most important and 2nd most used character on my roster.

    I'm interested in your use of 5* Gamora. Would you mind elaborating?

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    @MegaBee said:

    @killahKlown said:
    I've found hela useful on many occasions. She's in tier Above Average.

    Also strongly disagree about 5* Gamora. She's a Rockstar. 2nd most important and 2nd most used character on my roster.

    I'm interested in your use of 5* Gamora. Would you mind elaborating?

    I'm guessing stun and no damage reduction.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,999 Chairperson of the Boards

    I tried to make her work against the SW Colossus teams but she's just way too slow and unreliable. I have literally never seen her once on an enemy team in PvP, even when boosted, and I can't think of a reason you'd choose her in PvE if you had other options.

    I suppose I should be careful saying that someone "sees zero usage" though. Isn't there one guy on here who does every fight with 5* Wasp? Probably there are a few people who have Gamora as their first/only 5*, or like, Zoe Saldana stans or something, and those folks use her for everything.

    That doesn't mean she's good.

  • killahKlown
    killahKlown Posts: 585 Critical Contributor

    Yep that's me

  • killahKlown
    killahKlown Posts: 585 Critical Contributor

    @MegaBee said:

    @killahKlown said:
    I've found hela useful on many occasions. She's in tier Above Average.

    Also strongly disagree about 5* Gamora. She's a Rockstar. 2nd most important and 2nd most used character on my roster.

    I'm interested in your use of 5* Gamora. Would you mind elaborating?

    PM sir.

  • Borstock
    Borstock Posts: 2,746 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited December 2022

    @entrailbucket said:
    When Hela was released there were no 5* boosts.

    Your comment indicated she was and is useless. I'm saying that's not true and one of the today reasons is 5* boosts.

  • Borstock
    Borstock Posts: 2,746 Chairperson of the Boards

    @entrailbucket said:
    I tried to make her work against the SW Colossus teams but she's just way too slow and unreliable. I have literally never seen her once on an enemy team in PvP, even when boosted, and I can't think of a reason you'd choose her in PvE if you had other options.

    I suppose I should be careful saying that someone "sees zero usage" though. Isn't there one guy on here who does every fight with 5* Wasp? Probably there are a few people who have Gamora as their first/only 5*, or like, Zoe Saldana stans or something, and those folks use her for everything.

    That doesn't mean she's good.

    I've seen her plenty when boosted. And Simulator is just meta fights anyway, so that's a rough comp.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,999 Chairperson of the Boards

    So sorry to have offended all of the huge Gamora and Hela fans. I apologize, they are two of the very best characters in the game and I was wrong to doubt them!

    Is it still ok to say bad stuff about Wasp? I remember last year, one guy here strenuously argued that she was just as good as Apocalypse and I was being small-minded when I put her down.

  • killahKlown
    killahKlown Posts: 585 Critical Contributor

    Disagreeing with your view means we are offended?

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,999 Chairperson of the Boards

    No, I think you're being pedantic. I said gamora saw "basically zero usage" to counter the damage reduction metagame of the time, and that Hela is not relevant to the metagame today or in the past. Both statements are objectively true.

    If I said Wasp was irrelevant and saw basically zero usage, and someone pointed out that one guy who uses Wasp for every fight, I guess they'd be technically correct too.

  • GrimSkald
    GrimSkald Posts: 2,668 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Borstock said:

    @entrailbucket said:
    Hela never mattered, she was as bad when she was released as she is now.

    Disagree. She was never meta, but boosted she was good and I used her in PvP. She also had some utility with Kitty as a special tile creator and booster.

    I've always enjoyed boosting special tiles (I used to play Falcon/Daken or Blade in Deadpool Daily all the time, back when the 3* tier was more or less everything.) Hela is stupid fun with Polaris (and Kitty, if Hela isn't boosted,) in the long wave nodes. I've gotten my strike tile total up to adding 80-100K, it's ridiculous.

    I'll agree she's not actively good, she's still just too darn slow to be good, but she can be silly fun.

  • Codex
    Codex Posts: 321 Mover and Shaker
    edited December 2022

    Hela's green is one of the cheapest aoe. And with the right supports can be a no match making victory on easy nodes in PvE.

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