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  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,828 Chairperson of the Boards

    Void tiles aren't listed in that FAQ at all. Neither are tentacle tiles (Doc Ock). I can't see a "last updated" date on there but it probably hasn't been updated since before 5* Doc Ock was released.

  • Sekilicious
    Sekilicious Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards

    I agree, there is no reason special tiles couldn’t be updated. They just haven’t been.

  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards

    Probably because it wasn't necessary? Players can figure out by using deduction/logic if they decide to put in a little effort.

    Strike, Protect, Attack, repeater, cd, Invisibility are special tiles. These are the only special tiles in the game. If there is new special tile, the dev will likely create a new thread about it.

    The confusion comes from destruction of tiles. Powers that destroy random tiles will be able to target all tiles in the game, subjected to RNG. mThor destroys random tiles, so it will also target Character tiles. Because her power prioritises special tiles, it will always destroy special tiles first. Again, the tricky part is that some boss events have their own special rules.

  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards

    I think it has more to do with players playing MPQ without much thoughts all these years due to meta characters finishing matches in a few turns. You'll barely know what most of the other non-meta characters do if you're a meta chaser unless for some reasons, they are difficult to deal with.

    When Chasm came to MPQ with his Abyss tiles, he slows things down and force players to think about his mechanics and Abyss tiles. Players can't finish matches in a few turns like they did with Polaris/R4G or Hulkoye.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,828 Chairperson of the Boards

    I mean, which is it? Players are too lazy because they don't look at the documentation (where everything is explained), or players don't need complete documentation because they should figure things out on their own?

  • Sekilicious
    Sekilicious Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited December 2022

    I think if Abyss tiles were considered special then Chasm would have his nerf in mThor. The question wasn’t what are considered special tiles it was speculating how the Chasm meta might have looked with this minor tweak. It is a good question. But everyone gets that is not the case.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,454 Chairperson of the Boards

    There are a lot of rules that feel inconsistently implemented to my game developer’s eye, but what can you do?

    @Zalasta said:
    Maybe they should rework Hela (goddess of death) and give her a passive that negates the resurrection meta.

    About 20 pages back I remarked that Hela, Thanos, and Black Panther are all characters that could use a freshening up and have strong thematic Death Control opportunities.

  • hygge_hound
    hygge_hound Posts: 55 Match Maker

    @entrailbucket said:
    I mean, which is it? Players are too lazy because they don't look at the documentation (where everything is explained), or players don't need complete documentation because they should figure things out on their own?

    It's whatever his dev deities want him to say it is at the time he's commenting to defend them (which is at all times).

  • Bad
    Bad Posts: 3,146 Chairperson of the Boards

    Hela countering chasm? No, no.
    They already equipped SS with a counter, and I don't see SS at all. First, is a classic and not everyone has a classic champed. Second, Hela is outclassed. She belongs to an era where special tiles did matter. Her green could be ok, but red and blue are really meh because of that.
    Why is so good SW, a counter to Ihulk and AoE? There are many factors and it should apply to any new counters:

    • counters AoE but also counters multiple hits (electro not so she is more niche although gives yellow)
    • has sinergy with every character in the game
    • gives protection which can be used to troll AI as AI will fire a power dealing a lot less damage
    • board control and the ice on the cake, damage boost.
      She is a hard counter to Ihulk but these factors make her a top tier character for pvp, although she only lacks speed.
      Speed would be actually the most important factor and is determinant to see character's usage (SS doesn't prevails against chasm).
  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,828 Chairperson of the Boards

    Hela never mattered, she was as bad when she was released as she is now.

    (Actually, funny story -- she was released when Thor/Okoye ran the metagame, and a bunch of people thought her passive "do damage if enemy has x green AP" would be an effective soft counter for Thor...it was not.)

    I believe the suggestion was to redo her to be an anti-resurrection character, since thematically she's like, the god of death or whatever.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,454 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited December 2022

    Yes, the suggestion was that she get a rework and have her death powers do something useful against revivers. Similarly 5* Panther is poised to do something useful against chasm as a dude who claws the face of somebody who just stunned him, and in comics he is “the king of the dead” and would thematically be just fine having some authority over reviving characters.

    I’m sure her passive was intended to counter thor, but as with nearly all the intended soft counters that came out of the previous dev team it was massively under tuned and didn’t do anything.

  • killahKlown
    killahKlown Posts: 583 Critical Contributor

    @Sekilicious said:
    Yes. Thank you for explaining the basics to the players who have been playing for years.

    Ha ha ha.... you win Post of The Day award

  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards

    In the context of differentiating special tiles and character tiles, the in-game faq has provided enough information. I don't think I ever said that the in-game faq contains everything about the game. It doesn't make sense for them to create full documentation of how everything works in the game because they don't have the resources to do so or they don't want the players to use certain information to exploit the game. I think PvP is a good example of how players exploited the game in the past and probably now.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,828 Chairperson of the Boards

    Ah, I see! If they ever revealed which tiles were special, players would exploit that information!

  • Borstock
    Borstock Posts: 2,733 Chairperson of the Boards

    @entrailbucket said:
    Hela never mattered, she was as bad when she was released as she is now.

    Disagree. She was never meta, but boosted she was good and I used her in PvP. She also had some utility with Kitty as a special tile creator and booster.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,828 Chairperson of the Boards

    When Hela was released there were no 5* boosts.

  • killahKlown
    killahKlown Posts: 583 Critical Contributor
    edited December 2022

    I've found hela useful on many occasions. She's in tier Above Average.

    Also strongly disagree about 5* Gamora. She's a Rockstar. 2nd most important and 2nd most used character on my roster.

  • MegaBee
    MegaBee Posts: 1,040 Chairperson of the Boards

    @killahKlown said:
    I've found hela useful on many occasions. She's in tier Above Average.

    Also strongly disagree about 5* Gamora. She's a Rockstar. 2nd most important and 2nd most used character on my roster.

    I'm interested in your use of 5* Gamora. Would you mind elaborating?

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    @MegaBee said:

    @killahKlown said:
    I've found hela useful on many occasions. She's in tier Above Average.

    Also strongly disagree about 5* Gamora. She's a Rockstar. 2nd most important and 2nd most used character on my roster.

    I'm interested in your use of 5* Gamora. Would you mind elaborating?

    I'm guessing stun and no damage reduction.

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