The ChaHulk meta

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  • Tony_Foot
    Tony_Foot Posts: 1,812 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Borstock said:
    The ChaHulk meta is so prevalent in Sim, I had to dump 300 points just to queue up some non-ChaHulk teams. And I was floating at 1860 and 44 wins with my She-ChaHulk team that no one ever attacks.

    What go you expect using the same team you are complaining about. Don’t be part of the problem. I whipped through sim using a quick high damage team ignoring chasm and it was as fast as ever. Hit the retaliations the next day. Simple. Climb on the last day or float when you are done with the chasm team.

  • atomzed
    atomzed Posts: 1,753 Chairperson of the Boards

    I managed to champ Riri with the 5* covers from boss PVE. I then brought her out in sims. With a team of Riri-DrJane-Colossus, it’s a breeze fighting chahulks. Not sure how it would be like in pick 2, but I think pick 3 is fine with Riri.

  • Sekilicious
    Sekilicious Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited December 2022

    Riri was used unchamped in the simulator to get to 2000pts in both the last two seasons by members of my alliance using either Electro or Colossus as the third. Shang-Chi is fun with them as well. Riri and Thor should be fine offensively in Pick-2. Probably not a good defense team so won’t be meta though.

  • Borstock
    Borstock Posts: 2,733 Chairperson of the Boards

    @acescracked said:

    @Borstock said:
    The ChaHulk meta is so prevalent in Sim, I had to dump 300 points just to queue up some non-ChaHulk teams. And I was floating at 1860 and 44 wins with my She-ChaHulk team that no one ever attacks.

    I climbed to 2040/31 wins (then floated) with 12 hours left got hit 9* (updated) times

    Only 9? With 12 hours left, in the past, I would've been hit 9 times by one dude.

    The ChaHulk meta is unlike any we have ever had.

  • acescracked
    acescracked Posts: 1,197 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited December 2022

    @Borstock said:

    @acescracked said:

    @Borstock said:
    The ChaHulk meta is so prevalent in Sim, I had to dump 300 points just to queue up some non-ChaHulk teams. And I was floating at 1860 and 44 wins with my She-ChaHulk team that no one ever attacks.

    I climbed to 2040/31 wins (then floated) with 12 hours left got hit 9* (updated) times

    Only 9? With 12 hours left, in the past, I would've been hit 9 times by one dude.

    The ChaHulk meta is unlike any we have ever had.

    Number went to 11. Christmas Eve I'm sure less were playing.

    The real point is people can and do hit chahulk, I did it too. However not every shang cheese team, afraid to burn health packs, use boosts, lazy random player will hit. They will skip which is fine by me.

    If I could've Q'd and worth at least 40 points... Well double double!

  • Bad
    Bad Posts: 3,146 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited December 2022

    Indeed, less people were playing.
    But not because of christmas eve, it's just because of this meta, like I've been saying many pages ago.
    Many of you are so grateful for chasm and so worried about SC hitting you.
    However SC actually moves points. The points he takes out, someone easily will eat them right away.
    This meta stales and prevents moving points.
    I had 1750 points on SIM and I was t200. Someone getting the 2000 points should have been at least t50. For to be t50, being unshielded and being hit 12 times, that's plain shameful.
    Not only that. This season I've been hitting 750 points on pvp except 1 time I got 1200 points. With 9904 points I am t48. That's just wild crazy.
    This meta is totally selective, only a handful of teams can fight it. Riri and the monkey will help no doubt, and as a champ em all player soon I will aim for 1200 again.
    But because of not releasing a character hard countering chasm, A GREAT AMOUNT OF PLAYERS HAVE BEEN AND WILL BE OUT OF THIS PVP META.

  • Sekilicious
    Sekilicious Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited December 2022

    I’m pretty sure it’s the off-season again, like last time you made this argument. Up to 500 pts it looks the same as every event, random teams everywhere. But above that is barren point wise because most of the early pushers are taking a break. Lots of Chasm/iHulk. Lots of Wanda, Thanos, and Doom though.

  • Bad
    Bad Posts: 3,146 Chairperson of the Boards

    I did this argument on off season and after that, in season. They were identical results.
    9904 points obviously are in season.
    An extremely low amount of points for to be t50.

  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards

    I remember seasons ended earlier with one fewer pvp for the last two seasons, which will cause a drop in total points.

  • Bad
    Bad Posts: 3,146 Chairperson of the Boards

    Whatever.
    Before chasm meta I was hitting 1300 points in all pvps without fail, and at the end of season I usually was struggling on SIM in order to score ~ 2200 points for to be t100.
    Right now I score 750 in all pvps, I can't complete SIM and I am t50.
    It should ring a bell, certainly. I know if you struggle to find more arguments you will get the evidence that this isn't caused by the chahulk meta, of course.

  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited December 2022

    I believe I stated fact but other players can verify if that's the case. I remember that at least one of the seasons has one fewer pvp. Unfortunately, your response is "whatever". It shows that the hate for Chasm/iHulk has clouded your mind.

    Anyway, this is the sixth week Chasm/iHulk can hardly be found in pvps.

    As for players who decided to go 550 on only meta characters, you are well aware of how mmr works. You can't be expecting to speed clear pves with your 550 roster while not wanting to deal with your fellow 550 enemies in pvps. That's unrealistic. There's a saying I would modify to fit MPQ: live by the 5XX meta and die by the 5XX meta.

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited December 2022

    Another revive.
    This thread is so awesome.
    Of course off season and every team being beatable by Wanda Thanos Doom, or Christmas, has nothing to do with lower scores.

    Nope, it's all Chasm.
    Who nobody was running in Fist, but whatever.

  • Sekilicious
    Sekilicious Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited December 2022

    A good indication for player engagement with PvP would be the number of times the slices flip. Unfortunately we don’t have that kind of data, especially to compare to before Chasm and post Chasm, but it still flips several times every event according to Line. The top 50 scores are influenced by a number of factors because top-50 isn’t a goal for non-casual players. Most casual players play to the first cp offer then drop out, though with reduced win progression hopefully they play to 25 wins. That’s what they say on Reddit and Discord anyways. Those players aren’t shielded and will float to below 500 pts if using a non-meta team, such as Chasm/Thor or Okoye/iHulk.

  • Bad
    Bad Posts: 3,146 Chairperson of the Boards

    Oh yeah, now it's my MMR's turn.
    However the chahulks teams I usually fight and awarding ~45 points usually are 470 level chasm, that's less than my superior characters. So sadly, it's not because of my MMR.
    I figured out your next argument! It's because of the android bug. If casually all the top scorers were on Android, it could be true( although on iOS the game has double the downloads).
    Chas was released almost 3 months ago and there are already missing points in a huge amount.
    But it's not because of chasm! I know it! It's because the iron man buff! :D

  • dianetics
    dianetics Posts: 1,641 Chairperson of the Boards

    This has been going on so long this thread needs its own sub forum.

    Nothing new has come around in weeks. I just want this thread to disappear now thanks.

  • Sekilicious
    Sekilicious Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited December 2022

    I can close it if that is what people want. The thread has went from “what is a good counter” to alternating between “Chasm is the worst” and “Chasm is easily countered”. We are rehashing all of the same arguments over and over ad nauseam. That being said, this thread still has pretty high engagement. As such, if this thread makes people’s experience on the site worse I can help with that. If you want it to remain to give people a spot to tinykitty about the meta (like the worst moment of the day thread) I will just leave it be. Just let me know.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,828 Chairperson of the Boards

    Reading back through this, the biggest problems seem to be from shield sim. With boosted 5* in regular PvP, Chasm is annoying but not that big a deal, and often not anyone's best option. In shield sim, the resurrection team is the trolliest troll team anybody can run, so of course it's 100% of opponents. With no boosts the sim metagame never changes, either -- it's always a wall of whoever the most annoying defensive guy is at the time.

    My question to all of you is why on earth are you still playing shield sim?. It's an outdated event with a horrifically bad reward structure. Like, puzzle gauntlet has a better rewards/effort ratio than sim does, and that event's rewards are terrible.

    Sim gives you one 4* cover (and 4* are more available now than they've ever been) plus a few iso and low-value tokens, in exchange for spending hours throwing yourself at the most annoying defensive teams people can come up with. Why bother? I haven't touched shield sim in years and haven't missed it one bit. If they revamped the rewards I might go for it but until then it's a total waste of your time.

  • Codex
    Codex Posts: 304 Mover and Shaker

    My question to all of you is why on earth are you still playing shield sim?. It's an outdated event with a horrifically bad reward structure. Like, puzzle gauntlet has a better rewards/effort ratio than sim does, and that event's rewards are terrible.

    I too have not played sim in years. But, that mainly because I play PvP in S2 or S5 where playing sim is meaningless to my overall season PvP score. I see why players in other PvP slices play it

    On a side note I asked them to add cp rewards to sim in the last q&a, but I got what felt like a brush off answer.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,828 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited December 2022

    If players are using sim to boost their season placement then I suppose that makes sense, but now I have a new incredulous question: why on earth are you working hard for season placement?

    The season rewards are also terrible if you look at the rewards/effort ratio, and also desperately need a revamp if they're supposed to matter. It's still, like, a couple heroic 10-packs, right? The amount of HP you're spending on shields to earn those could just be spent buying the heroic 10-packs.

    Some players still have this idea that if they don't grind out every single 10iso reward from every single event, they'll somehow "fall behind" other players and lose their spot in the hierarchy. You won't. You'll be fine. I promise. Don't stress yourself out grinding for bad rewards that don't matter -- they're so generous everywhere now that you can skip the old/bad events with old/bad rewards and still do very well.

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