The ChaHulk meta

Bad

@HoundofShadow said:

Even She-Hulk or Big Wheel who are considered mid tier characters are scaring Chasm/iHulk away in their boost weeks.
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Shulk godboosted has 250k health, match damage is really high.
Obviously she doesn't scares Ihulk, she is just a better option than Ihulk on this week.
And I've seen her often with chasm wich is a similar game of "try to lower their healths while chasm is continuosly healing and destroying AP and then time it for a good combo killing both ".

ThaRoadWarrior

Boosted Big Wheel at 452 is passively doing 70k+ damage from cascades, no AP needed. He is a perfect counter to Chasm on the attack. She Hulk is an excellent active (on bottom color) and passive (on rebirth) cascade generator to go with him.

HoundofShadow

@Daredevil217 I wasn't the one who revived this thread but players are quoting me. A long time back, when I didn't reply, some said that I was running away from discussion. So, I replied.

I don't think there's anything about being superior player or whatnot. It's the mentality of taking the cheap way out like asking for nerf or asking for plug-and-play counter team. I've seen this happening for years, and many players have seen similar things happening for years. The point is, instead of focusing on waiting for the dev to nerf the meta, having a rigid definition of a counter team, or waiting for the dev to create a mindless counter character, why not spend the effort to do something meaningful? Humans become better not because they complete a lot of easy tasks, but because they overcome a lot of challenges. Likewise, if the dev decided to focus on making these group of players happy, I don't see how they can make things interesting for MPQ, gameplay-wise because the dev has to prioritise on making things not challenging and yet interesting for them.

As I mentioned, all these boost weeks just proved that Chasm/iHulk is not as broken as he is because the facts, at least around my mmr, have proven that boosted characters are still better than Chasm/iHulk for most of the match. This is at least the 5th boost week that Chasm/iHulk is hardly around. Some players are just throwing temper tantrum because things didn't go their way.

atomzed

@Sekilicious said:
This thread keeps reviving! The irony is delicious

As the person who started this thread, I didn’t think that this discussion would have gone on for so long…

Timemachinego

@HoundofShadow said:

As I mentioned, all these boost weeks just proved that Chasm/iHulk is not as broken as he is because the facts, at least around my mmr, have proven that boosted characters are still better than Chasm/iHulk for most of the match. This is at least the 5th boost week that Chasm/iHulk is hardly around. Some players are just throwing temper tantrum because things didn't go their way.

If only we knew your roster so we could see what magical MMR you're hanging out at. At single-champ 5 I skip 10+ hulkchasm for every match I do take. It's pretty much a free float at my level, I'll lose at least 2-300 if I leave anyone else up, including boosted teams, whereas I'll not lose more than 50 with something chasm based. That's problematic.

HoundofShadow

My mmr is similar to Sekilicious, but just slightly higher than his.

Bad

On this thread there are not less than 10 5* players saying they fight the chahulk team ad nauseam vs a single one who says rarely fights them.

HoundofShadow

Or we can use the dev's data which shows that at that point in time, that Chasm/iHulk is not as prevalent as it seems, except for certain circle. Do we trust objective data or trust emotional data? And this data points probably have at least a few thousand players, compared to ~10, unless all these ~10 players happen to be in that circle.

Anyway, @Timemachinego I've a single champed 5* mmr account and I saw your defense team and I beat it with SC and undercovered Deathlok. I post a video of the teams I see later and I want to say there's only one iHulk/Chasm team after skipping for 30 seconds.

Here's the video of single champed 5* MMR in Slice 1:

https://streamable.com/7nubko

Bad

@HoundofShadow said:
Or we can use the dev's data which shows that at that point in time, that Chasm/iHulk is not as prevalent as it seems, except for certain circle. Do we trust objective data or trust emotional data? And this data points probably have at least a few thousand players, compared to ~10, unless all these ~10 players happen to be in that circle.

Yeah we can fully trust devs data however it doesn't say anything new. The playerbase majority of the game are 4* players and some of them said on this thread that they rarely see them.
The certain circle it's 5* advanced tier, I think there is no more mystery.

HoundofShadow

Define advanced tier?

Bad

The one where players are bored of chasm.

HoundofShadow

That's too vague. What are the top three level of advanced 5* tier?

We have 5 weeks without Chasm dominating pvps already, except for certain circle.

The next 5* release is on 2023 Jan 12. Let's hope it's a counter that makes Bad and the nerf Chasm/iHulk camp happy. That's nothing much to add to this.

Timemachinego

@HoundofShadow said:
Or we can use the dev's data which shows that at that point in time, that Chasm/iHulk is not as prevalent as it seems, except for certain circle. Do we trust objective data or trust emotional data? And this data points probably have at least a few thousand players, compared to ~10, unless all these ~10 players happen to be in that circle.

Anyway, @Timemachinego I've a single champed 5* mmr account and I saw your defense team and I beat it with SC and undercovered Deathlok. I post a video of the teams I see later and I want to say there's only one iHulk/Chasm team after skipping for 30 seconds.

Here's the video of single champed 5* MMR in Slice 1:

https://streamable.com/7nubko

Uh, thanks? All your video shows is that you can punch down from #1 and they're all worth more than they should be because nobody wants to climb high in the current meta. You're showing us seals that are worth 30-40 instead of 10 or under.

HoundofShadow

This is normal. I don't see anything wrong with it. I'm not sure why you are surprised. There's still another 1 day 4 hours before pvp ends, as of now. Of course points are not that high yet. If you do the maths, 761/15 = 50.7 points per match. That video was taken with 1 day 8 hour left. People who want to shield once will wait between <24 to >~6 hour left to come out of their hidings. I climbed from 0 to 761 and I see only 3 Chasm/iHulk team at best. In case you're not aware, every players in the same slice have the opportunity to see one another, regardless of which scl they are. I think players need to take control of their emotions and not let their hate of Chasm/iHulk blind their judgements.

My multiple champed 5* account hitting 1200 in 19-22 wins and I've a video a few pages back. Work that out and that's 54-63 points per match.

Captain_Trips88

Did they not confirm that their data does NOT show teams skipped? If so, the data is useless. If a high percentage of players are skipping chasm teams a high percentage of times then clearly that team is a big issue for a lot of the community.

My two cents - I don't enjoy matches against Chasm because I enjoy the core mechanics of the game. Make matches, gain AP, fire powers. Chasm makes this a much more challenging prospect and its all achieved through unconditional passives. Characters who just do things without any conditions being met are the opposite of what the game should be, it was the problem I had when 5* Colossus was released. Why should match damage take such a hit straight from the off without anything happening first.
Now before anyone jumps up and says 'but they aren't conditional, you need abyss tiles', these tiles generate at such a rate that the AP drain is happening instantly because of that opening team stun.
Is it beatable? Yup, especially in pick 3 it isn't a huge problem with a large roster. Is it fun? The first few times there was a sense of achievement at finding a way to take it down. But that soon grows old. I prefer to skip Chasm when I see him and I'm just playing for 25 wins at a leisurely pace, I imagine a lot of the wider player base are doing the same.
What I am hoping for though is that we get hit monkey and that's it for Chasm counters. We don't need the next 3 or 4 characters released to all be designed to counter one meta, or if they do then let them focus on one of the other aspects of Chasm's kit, mainly the AP drain.

Timemachinego

@HoundofShadow said:
This is normal. I don't see anything wrong with it. I'm not sure why you are surprised. There's still another 1 day 4 hours before pvp ends, as of now. Of course points are not that high yet. If you do the maths, 761/15 = 50.7 points per match. That video was taken with 1 day 8 hour left. People who want to shield once will wait between <24 to >~6 hour left to come out of their hidings. I climbed from 0 to 761 and I see only 3 Chasm/iHulk team at best. In case you're not aware, every players in the same slice have the opportunity to see one another, regardless of which scl they are. I think players need to take control of their emotions and not let their hate of Chasm/iHulk blind their judgements.

My multiple champed 5* account hitting 1200 in 19-22 wins and I've a video a few pages back. Work that out and that's 54-63 points per match.

Actually, I did the math for you. Your MMR is 346 which is... kind of an odd one. I successfully hid out there for a while myself, you're visible to next to no one. I've never seen you a single time until now when you climbed as high as you could and started looking around. Not seals for you, most of who you are seeing are the next rung up MMR wise and that's why they're still worth something. They're also the bottom of who I see at my mmr and who aren't worth more than 25~ or so generally.

HoundofShadow

@Timemachinego my top 3 highest level average is 361 while top 5 is 337. Let me increase my mmr to 360 and I'll try again.

Edit: I've increased my top 5 average mmr to 366 now and these are my opponents after skipping for 50 seconds.

https://streamable.com/y2l9k1

@Tony_Foot

If I were to do that, the video will be ~45 minutes long. Maybe if I decide to jump into multiple champed 5* MMR with my second account, then I'd do that.

acescracked

@Bad said:
The one where players are bored of chasm.

Can you stop posting as if you were nominated as spokesperson for all players?

Your opinion that Chasm is not good is just that... Your opinion. It's not a fact.

I enjoy not getting hit by every random player using shang cheese & Valkyrie. And when the boost list is good you don't see chasm. It's a shame your PVP experience is diminished. Please understand for many of us it's not.

Bowgentle

The thread that keeps on giving.
Now we successfully went from discussing whether Chasm is a problem (who knows, maybe?) to discussing softcapping and how to manipulate your PVP MMR.
Glorious.

Bowgentle

@acescracked said:

@Bad said:
The one where players are bored of chasm.

Can you stop posting as if you were nominated as spokesperson for all players?

Your opinion that Chasm is not good is just that... Your opinion. It's not a fact.

I enjoy not getting hit by every random player using shang cheese & Valkyrie. And when the boost list is good you don't see chasm. It's a shame your PVP experience is diminished. Please understand for many of us it's not.

Also, that.