Gargantos Heroic Boss Event Impressions

Omegased

OK - so having played it a little more, I've realised a few things.
This is certainly going to be a big PUZZLE style event, trying to find combos with teams that you may not usually use.
I've found a few things that I think will be helpful, and I think most with deep rosters will do ok.

My roster of DAs are
Green Goblin 3/4/3
Yelena 1/1/2 (i skipped her during hoarding)
Sam Daken - Loaner is better (also skipped)
all 4's champed, with Scorpion, Venom, & Agent Venom between 315 - 332.

I found against Gargs, Scorpion/Venom/3daken is a good team. Scorpion thrives with people pumping out moves, so Daken will mean Gargs will fire his black (did I see it only cost 3, or am I going mad?). This will remove some of Dakens strike tiles, but that's cool.

Scorpion is the MVP Get him Purple and green ASAP.

on later rounds bring an ALL AP BOOST. that'll mitigate Gargs damage the first few turns.


Supports are hugely important below are the ones I've found very helpful. Since the teams are mostly classed as villains they are limited, but a few as below are a good start.

Corvus Glaive (rank4) - 61% chance to start with 2 purple AP, 17% chance to damage at the start of turn (which will trigger Venoms yellow)
Quantum Realm (rank3) - 37% chance to start with 5 purple AP 
Atlantis (rank3. was last months puzzle quest) - 53% Chance to start with 5 green AP
Yaro Root (rank3) - 53% chance to start with 5 Green AP
Chewie - Chip damage as always
Chimichanga / Shuri's Lab - will generate red, but can only equip to Heros (Yelena/Venom/Sam Daken) No good to me, as Daken is the only real red user, but could be a game changer for someone with him champed.

That's all I've found so far, but that's helped a lot of the lower rounds (our alliance is halfway thru round4).

I think with the above we should be able to limp through, but it's certainly a challenge.

As I've sat on it a bit - I welcome the changes so we don't use the same characters every match. To be frank the previous run of this boss event was far too easy. A single match four with ProfX/onslaught and it was over. that was NO CHALLENGE. I think the dark avengers were the wrong affiliation to start with (and this salt everywhere would be less if they'd ran other, stronger, teams first, but if this style of changes continue, I'm ok with that.

kk3thess

This event is like starting Super Mario World with Tubular: not exactly impossible to beat, but frustating enough to make you wanna stop playing. I'm seriously considering taking the weekend off, because it really sucks to play this now.

Punter1

I've a full roster - this isn't bad.  I've had no issues through rd 4, I'm still hopeful that we're mostly done by Sat am and don't need to use the limited selection roster on the harder side nodes.

I'm all for things that encourage wider use of the roster.  I've enjoyed the 5* boosts for that reason.

I'm fine with heroics coming back, especially if limited to Boss events with less nodes and limited time pressure.  

Is this the best way to start heroics again... nope!  

Pwuz_

HoundofShadow said:

I'm surprised to see many comments (including in reddit) about how Dark Avengers have no synergy. You gotta be kidding me. 

Are you trying to troll the rest of us, or do you have some strategy you’re not sharing?

I’m not going to repeat all the excellent points others have made how these characters actively work against one another.  But what Synergy are you specifically referring to?  At best Scorpion can improve the special tiles that the other DA can make, but those same tiles just let Gargantos use his Black knocking out yet another of our limited options.

Ragnarok’s Red makes Blue which Daken can use to make Green which goes back to Ragnarok’s Green with it’s self-Team damage?  Considering how few tiles each of those make, that’s some pretty lackluster synergy.

I’m not saying it wasn’t worth trying something different to shake up the stagnation among characters players are using, but this isn’t it.

Caravaka1

It is one thing to have a dark avengers only event, it is nice they provided some loaners.  The problem is if you don’t have leveled roster in these toons, you are limited to win by team up AP or not.  If they want to make an event this restricted by character they need CL levels so we can play something appropriate.  Round 4 i am about done which is anti-fun.  similar to harder pve events, i play down because I can’t do well with my current roster at higher CL.  Using 3 health pack per boss isn’t fun and rewards will be slim.  If i need boosts on round 4 something is wrong.  I have 45 champed 4 stars, very few levels on 5*.  I get these events will be harder for me but they have gone from challenging within the roster I have to impossible.  Round 4 is like round 9.  I do not want to be excluded from an event and carried by my alliance.  If they want to challenge more developed rosters that it awesome but need a mechanism to allow others to play as well and still let us be a part of the alliance completing.

Tarelgeth

The problem here is how the difficulty is applied.  Look at something like Puzzle Gauntlet.  You have a difficult or interesting challenge to beat.  It rewards creativity and coming up with combinations across a wide roster of characters to solve the problem.

This is the exact opposite.  Instead of using a wide variety of characters to solve an unusual problem so you can try building different teams, this gives you no options to solve a boring problem.  Don't have a strong Scorpion? Get wrecked.

It doesn't reward a developed roster.  It rewards a roster that sank resources into one thing, and if that wasn't your thing you're screwed.

ThisisClemFandango

Ridiculously broken boss event, I try to block blue he causes cascades, fires blue kills Osborn in one shot. This is round 4. This isn't a game of skill or a puzzle game this is just grossly unfair. My earlier comments still stands, they give you old characters with tiny health pools and if he manages to get his blue fired you are all pretty much dead.
And the loaners are woefully underlevelled so new players have even less of a chance than someone who has played for 5 years.
Rant over.

WeaponX092

Al parecer con este evento de jefe me tomaré un pequeño descanso, mi lista no es muy fuerte aún, y me limitaré a los vengadores oscuros que no tengo de 4* y 5*, los de bajo nivel se deshacen fácilmente con los ataques de Gargantos .

Dicelees

I don't like this event, I would like it more if we didn't have to use Dark Avengers, but I'm still going to do it.

The problem is my alliance has a couple long time players and the rest are 3* star players and newbies. The newbies don't stand a chance and even some of our stronger players are already throwing in the towel at round four. Without the whole alliance trying how am I supposed to even get the individual rewards. We won't be able to progress to those higher rounds with just 2 or 3 players fully participating, and so we'll never get those round point increases to get the rewards.

Everybody loses.

Kaazz

This is a tiny kitty joke! No way should a lvl 50 character beat two 5 star characters over lvl 350 and a 4 star lvl 399! Are you kidding me? No thanks! I prefer matches that are winnable, even if you have to work at it. This is a complete joke!!😡😡😡

The Viceroy Returns

The unexpected aspect of this presentation certainly doesn't help things. There is nothing that visually jumps out that is like "This is a Heroic event" or anything.

I too thought it was a bug I couldn't select anyone.

And like many others, my alliance barely plays these, so there is no way I'll get any meaningful personal progression rewards, let alone the final one.

At least they are trying new things, but there are some very obvious things that should have been done, not mention difficulty and such.

BlackBoltRocks

TheEyeDoctorsWife said:

We got through the first 3 levels without massive casualties even with limited rosters . A positive note , my alliance is chatting a lot more on advice , even members who never have spoken before . It’s one event for a few days , I’m not going to go crazy and call everyone at Broken Circle Jerks.

One of the best comments I've seen so far.

Some of the comments, especially by ThisIsClemFandango, have been over the top. I believe James and the people at Broken Circle are not sadists. Plus they've already attempted to rectify things by boosting the loaners and reducing Shuma's Blue damage. Let them learn on the job; it's how they become better. Please don't behave as though the devs have murdered everyone we ever loved.

revskip

My experience doesn't seem to mirror most folks on here.  I play two accounts, my main account which is well into 5* land and an alt account on steam that is in the 2* to 3* transition.  

My main account has had no problems, I've been using Green Goblin, Agent Venom & 3* Bullseye.  My alliance is well into round 5 even though we have two people who haven't started yet.  I fully expect us to finish by late tomorrow.  Haven't really even optimized supports nor have I used any boosts and haven't lost any characters.  

My alt account has definitely had a tougher time with it but not to the extent that others here and on Reddit are experiencing.  I've been using the loaner characters to do the side nodes and that has been pretty quick and easy.  For the boss I've been using the loaner 5*Daken with a level 98 Ares and a level 97 Moonstone.  I've been boosting all AP every match against the boss to mitigate the damage from his countdowns and usually boosting +20% match damage on green/black.  I've cleared all but two boss fights where Gargantos got enough blue to take out the loaner quickly both because of an early cascade.  My alliance is very casual but we've still made it to level 4 already with just 10 players active so far.  

The first run was trivial for my main account and pretty tough for my alt so this doesn't really seem that different.  I expect that once the side nodes start to get tough my alt account won't be able to progress but that happens no matter what.  

TheEyeDoctorsWife

I’ve calculated that once your alliance reaches stage 4 by day 2, you can easily reach full personal progression even if a lot of us will lose the higher alliance rewards. It’s not like we will get nothing . I see players saying I’m skipping this event it’s not worth it. Samurai champed is doing enough damage matching black twice and 450 Yelena gives him a beating if he cascades . 

NMANOZ1

They should have had just 1 essential character like the side nodes.

This change is nothing but a way of draining health packs.

Chirus

TheEyeDoctorsWife said:

I’ve calculated that once your alliance reaches stage 4 by day 2, you can easily reach full personal progression even if a lot of us will lose the higher alliance rewards. It’s not like we will get nothing . I see players saying I’m skipping this event it’s not worth it. Samurai champed is doing enough damage matching black twice and 450 Yelena gives him a beating if he cascades . 

The nerf to the boss will help a lot, but it's worth noting that sometimes it's just better to do as much damage as you can until garg gets his 7 blue, then instead of letting him fire it, just retreat. And when you're on your final node, take as much punishment as possible to take him down then. With ally TUs, a lot of damage can be done each turn.

HoundofShadow

It looks like we'll be stuck with the same boring boss and pve events in the future, even if the dev creates a new one.

This reminds me of the original Fight for Wakanda event. It was truly the only unique pve which requires a different playstyle for most subs. Unfortunately, tons of complains send this event to cold storage for years. When it got brought back, it became your typical pves. 

I think the dev should just remove 5* covers from future run and turn it back into your good old LT. Alternatively, the dev allows the commanders to choose from two modes: normal mode or insane mode.  Insane mode give you 5* covers while normal mode gives you LT. 

Will we ever see new unique and challenging pves/boss events in the future?

BlackBoltRocks

HoundofShadow said:

 I think the dev should just remove 5* covers from future run and turn it back into your good old LT. Alternatively, the dev allows the commanders to choose from two modes: normal mode or insane mode.  Insane mode give you 5* covers while normal mode gives you LT. 

Or they could just give out 5* covers more regularly and make 5* covers more available. We already have 70 5* in the game and counting, plus we've had 5* boosts for over a year. Giving out an extra one or two 5* covers every week isn't going to break the game. Players would still need the iso to level them up. And players would still be subject to RNG when pulling LTs or Classics to get 5s.

Will we ever see new unique and challenging pves/boss events in the future?

I hope so. I've always said I would love to see the Gauntlet return. The current hoohah over the Heroic Shuma event was totally expected, but it's not something the new devs can't fix. And there will always be players complaining about something no matter what. I hope those complainers don't negatively affect the plans of BCS.

HoundofShadow

Here are the top 3 responses towards this event, pre-firefighting from the dev:

1) threatening to quit the game for good
2) threatening to stop spending money
3) call this event p2w --> I lol'ed at this. Some 5* players are losing even when they have at least one of those 5* champed. Even if you have the money to champ all 5* (Yelena/OMD/GG), it doesn't guarantee a win. 

Other responses:
I can finish scl 9/10 pves; therefore, I should be able to complete this event.

For those who love Heroic events, this is the top 1 anti-Heroic response:

1) Why am I not allowed to use my hard-earned (either via cash or in-game rewards) characters? 


This is what happens when players only know how to Polaris/BRB or Hulkoye for the past two years and calling other non-meta characters a 'Skip'. You throw them a challenge, take away their meta teams and you get this.

How is the dev supposed to create challenging and unique events with these kinds of threats?

NMANOZ1

I don't see any issues of how boss events have been run for a number of years. It is one area that doesn't need to be changed. The addition of 5 star covers as rewards was a step in the right direction for making 5 stars more obtainable. 

I was hoping to see a final reward added for all PvE events (SCL 10) a 5 star cover for a particular character.