Gargantos Heroic Boss Event Impressions

Heartstone

I came here to see if this fiasco is a mistake or as-meant. Apparently,  it's meant to be like that.

As much as I love boss events, I'll be playing magic for the rest of the weekend.

Cheers! (Or not)

bladewing

First battle with Gargantos, and I lose.  I only lost to Gargantos twice out of the 20 or 30 times I faced him in the original Peer into Madness event.  I don't have any of the 5-star characters, and Venom (Eddie) is my only champed 4-star of the featured characters. The loaners don't do much, but I guess they're better than nothing.  I'm thinking I might not make full progression this time around.

Forgot to mention that I had use half of my small ISO reserve to champ Eddie Brock today. If not for this event, I wouldn't have done so.... ugh

bahamut685

I loved Heroics... I think they're a neat concept.
THIS Heroic just seems cruel, when it is on an event that pretended that players with mid-tier or better rosters would be able to get a pair of 5-star covers from the event.
The Dark Avengers are also abyssmal against an enemy that eats SAP tiles, since most of them work specifically with those tiles.

obikenobi12

This Heroic is quite tough but not impossible.I've only been playing for over 1 year so far but i have a champed Scorpion. Been having success with 4* Scorpion, 3* Daken (great synergy with Scorpion btw) and 4* Venom. Venom can hit hard with his Green and Yellow. Scorpion can also hit quite hard with his purple. Daken did a fair amount of damage with his Blue after i boosted up the strike tiles with Scorpion. I haven't lost yet in all 6 attempts but i did come close on my last attempt. My worry is that this event might be near impossible in later rounds without some extreme luck. 

DeNappa

Just did the first round of clears, it wasn't terrible so far. But let's see how the event will scale up later.

I'm a bit wary especially since I have none of the 5*s champed. Yelena and Goblin are close (at 12 and 11 covers, respectively). Just need Red Guardian to feed that last shards/cover for Yelena. And I don't know how Green goblin will hold up since he is among the oldest batch of 5*s and powercreep may have... dated him

jkenn58

It's going to be challenging... no more getting this event completed by Saturday 

bladewing

Samurai Daken (the loaner, at least) seems impotent. He barely makes a dent on Gargantos with his powers, while Gargantos can quickly one-shot him. 

Omegased

The reason this is bad is because the dark Avengers are exceptionally limited, and not great.


If they went "Avengers", "X-Men" "villains" etc this event would be much better

shardwick

statnut said:

jsmjsmjsm00 said:

Leave it to the forums to complain that the event, which is designed to be hard and require characters that aren't normally used, is hard and requires characters that they don't normally use.

I think this is great. So much of the forum-goers want this game to be cookie-clicker where they just show up and easily collect all the rewards. Finally we have a challenge.

It shouldn't be an expectation that we will get full progress every single event. Now we have to actually overcome a challenge to gain rewards. When this event ran the first time, my alliance cleared all rewards without full participation and I never had a character die at all. It isn't fun to breeze through this game using the same team for everything. 

Yeah but the pendulum shouldn't swing all the way from easy to impossible either. I've been playing for 7 years and I'm having trouble with this. Imagine what it's like for people whose rosters aren't at that point.

Yeah, I've been playing for six years myself. I like a challenge and have supported bringing back heroic style pve events to change things up a bit but this isn't the way to do it. Maybe make it a villains event or at least have the rest of the Sinister Six show up to provide backup for Green Goblin, Scorpion and Venom.

nunziotkp

Well, that sucks. Being forced to use Dark Avengers is literally zero fun and would force me to burn a ton of health packs to get through even the easiest rounds. No thanks. Some of the other affiliations might be fun but not this one. Guess I'll be focusing on PvP and Puzzle Gauntlet. Good job breaking me from my Puzzle Quest addiction BCS. If this keeps up, I'll save a ton of money. I'm sure that's exactly what D3 Go wanted. lol

ThaRoadWarrior

Dark Avengers is a particularly punishing affiliation because it dates back to the dawn of the game, and nearly everyone is a 1,2, or 3* character that is untenable against a 5* boss. Anyone who was added later was remedial and sort of arbitrary. I would be really curious if anyone pulled the player metrics for Daken, Yelena, and Goblin to see what percentage of the player base has them champed. I have a feeling that for me the side nodes scaling to their usual buck wild levels is where I’ll start to feel it unless that scaling is only going to factor in the allowable characters and not my whole roster. I am having fun because I have the luxury(?) of having spent 2329 days building a wide champ-em-all roster, but had I not been in that position, I’d probably be limited to DDQ this weekend.

DyingLegend

I didn't think boss events could get any less fun, but oh boy am I surprised 😂😂😂

I like the idea but let's be honest , the dark avengers have no synergy between each other. Also some of them are classic 5s so no way a new roster is going to have a fully covered one.

This event is terrible. i mean,  I'll still play it but I won't enjoy it.

ThaRoadWarrior

HoundofShadow said:

I'm surprised to see many comments (including in reddit) about how Dark Avengers have no synergy. You gotta be kidding me. 

The 5* ones not only don’t have synergy, and by that I mean doing one thing that makes it easier or otherwise enhances a thing the others can do, but Daken steals the black you need for Goblin Glider making it actively more difficult for him to do his thing. Eddie Brock, who is a consolation dark avenger, is the closest thing to a synergy make by virtue of creating enemy specials you can operate on, but bringing low tier characters to this event is a bit like taking a knife to a gunfight.

in the context of this event, the 2/3 Dakens all make specials passively that Gargantos really likes, as does 5* Yelena. It’s a good thing C4rnage and Carbage aren’t allowed I guess, because they would definitely be making things worse for players.

TheEyeDoctorsWife

We got through the first 3 levels without massive casualties even with limited rosters . A positive note , my alliance is chatting a lot more on advice , even members who never have spoken before . It’s one event for a few days , I’m not going to go crazy and call everyone at Broken Circle Jerks.

Tarelgeth

Not only are the Dark Avengers bad with each other, they're all bad vs Gargantos.  No blue usage, unless you want to use Ragnarok, who uses the blue to heal himself, which is useless since he can't take a hit and Gargantos deals permanent damage anyway.  Want to add a lot of special tiles to the board for Gargantos to use against you? Sure the Dark Avengers can do that.  Nothing that deals with invisibility or countdown tiles.  Taken individually, they're bad characters.  Grouped with each other, they're a bad team.  Set against Gargantos, they're a bad choice.  There's nothing good about this.

AlexR

Tarelgeth said:

Not only are the Dark Avengers bad with each other, they're all bad vs Gargantos.  No blue usage, unless you want to use Ragnaros, who uses the blue to heal himself, which is useless since he can't take a hit and Gargantos deals permanent damage anyway.  Want to add a lot of special tiles to the board for Gargantos to use against you? Sure the Dark Avengers can do that.  Nothing that deals with invisibility or countdown tiles.  Taken individually, they're bad characters.  Grouped with each other, they're a bad team.  Set against Gargantos, they're a bad choice.  There's nothing good about this.

This. The 4* selection is miserable:

1) You cannot use Agent Venom and Venom Brock on the same team. So, you literally cannot field a full 4* team. At most, you can field two 4*. So, if you want to use Agent Venom, Eddie Brock has to stay home.

2) Scorpion's kit is half crippled here. He wants to be played against enemies that spam abilities. Ideally, you will not let Gargantos fire ANYTHING, so Scorp's passive is useless. And the "boosting tiles" part of his green is as well, since you don't want to bring any tiles vs Gargantos' black.

3) So, in summary, as a 4* player you've got Agent Venom and a half-crippled Scorpion. That's it, that's all you get.

Agent Venom is a shining star and basically single-handedly carries me so far. I am happy that I managed to scrape together enough iso to emergency champ him.

I don't mind if they bring back heroics. Roster restrictions can be fun. However, please make Heroics its on little side thing, like the Puzzle Gauntlet-- bosses already have special mechanics you have to play around, and roster restrictions keep you from using your best tools to deal with them. Gargantos who destroys your AP every turn, punishes special tiles and has a cheap insta-kill ability (anything 4* and under just dies to Garg's blue) is bad enough. Having to fight him with Dark Avengers who are not equipped to deal with that, with their expensive abilities and special tiles is tedious. But the mere thought of boss!Apocalypse with roster restrictions gives me nightmares already. Please please can we have a seperate Heroic Gauntlet instead of Heroic Bosses? Pretty please?

Davidk777

Well I'm personal enjoying it, and love a challenge. I think the problem with this boss event that others are having is there no levels 1 through 10 here. It's not fair for someone with a smaller roster to just straight to level 10. So have level 1 through 9 get 5* shards. Then everyone can played it, and get the alliance cover, as a team.

derrickn

I'm loving this, too.    Might finally give me the kick I need to quit wasting my time on now.

derrickn

derrickn said:

I'm loving this, too.    Might finally give me the kick I need to quit wasting my time on now.

On MPQ, sigh...

Omegased

OK - so having played it a little more, I've realised a few things.
This is certainly going to be a big PUZZLE style event, trying to find combos with teams that you may not usually use.
I've found a few things that I think will be helpful, and I think most with deep rosters will do ok.

My roster of DAs are
Green Goblin 3/4/3
Yelena 1/1/2 (i skipped her during hoarding)
Sam Daken - Loaner is better (also skipped)
all 4's champed, with Scorpion, Venom, & Agent Venom between 315 - 332.

I found against Gargs, Scorpion/Venom/3daken is a good team. Scorpion thrives with people pumping out moves, so Daken will mean Gargs will fire his black (did I see it only cost 3, or am I going mad?). This will remove some of Dakens strike tiles, but that's cool.

Scorpion is the MVP Get him Purple and green ASAP.

on later rounds bring an ALL AP BOOST. that'll mitigate Gargs damage the first few turns.


Supports are hugely important below are the ones I've found very helpful. Since the teams are mostly classed as villains they are limited, but a few as below are a good start.

Corvus Glaive (rank4) - 61% chance to start with 2 purple AP, 17% chance to damage at the start of turn (which will trigger Venoms yellow)
Quantum Realm (rank3) - 37% chance to start with 5 purple AP 
Atlantis (rank3. was last months puzzle quest) - 53% Chance to start with 5 green AP
Yaro Root (rank3) - 53% chance to start with 5 Green AP
Chewie - Chip damage as always
Chimichanga / Shuri's Lab - will generate red, but can only equip to Heros (Yelena/Venom/Sam Daken) No good to me, as Daken is the only real red user, but could be a game changer for someone with him champed.

That's all I've found so far, but that's helped a lot of the lower rounds (our alliance is halfway thru round4).

I think with the above we should be able to limp through, but it's certainly a challenge.

As I've sat on it a bit - I welcome the changes so we don't use the same characters every match. To be frank the previous run of this boss event was far too easy. A single match four with ProfX/onslaught and it was over. that was NO CHALLENGE. I think the dark avengers were the wrong affiliation to start with (and this salt everywhere would be less if they'd ran other, stronger, teams first, but if this style of changes continue, I'm ok with that.