Gargantos Heroic Boss Event Impressions

Daniel2121

It's better than I expected but still not enough to win. I lost again with that.

The only good thing about the loaners is not having to spend health packs after the loss.

TheRiddler

I can speak on this event from two perspectives.

I have an account where I have everybody rostered, nearly all 4s champed and a solid group of champ 5s.

I've been using a nearly champed Yelena, Scorpion and Agent Venom. No problems at all. Haven't died once. Looking through the thread it seems alot of people are using Scorpion and Agent Venom.

My daughter has an account as well. And she doesn't have any of the 5s or 4s. It sucks. If the nodes get progressively harder (she is seeing +300 enemies right now) with just champ 3s and 2s its gonna suck pretty bad.

I guess that is the cost of not having one of the 6 out of 196 characters in 4/5 tier that they allowed for this event.

I'm not gonna hit progression because my alliance which always hits progression has pretty much decided to sit this out. The same for her alliance.

TheEyeDoctorsWife

Is synergy really that important downing one 12K enemy ? Even if this was a 1 on 1 battle Samurine and a support would be kicking him 99 times out of 100 two turns after you make 2 black matches . Every battle through stage 5 was 5 to 7 turns long ( a red match 5 at start activates insta-kill).

Daniel2121

TheEyeDoctorsWife said:

Is synergy really that important downing one 12K enemy ? Even if this was a 1 on 1 battle Samurine and a support would be kicking him 99 times out of 100 two turns after you make 2 black matches . Every battle through stage 5 was 5 to 7 turns long ( a red match 5 at start activates insta-kill).

I believe it is.

OMD (loaner version)'s red merely tickles Gargantos. Venom and Bullseye do hit harder, but not hard enough to win.

If you need video proof for this, go to Twitch and search for my channel called "leadblast".

Watch the last video I made. 2 attempts on Gargantos with the loaner team, both of which were losses. I used a full set of AP boosts both times. Still I lost.

Daniel2121

So I had another go at Gargantos. I decided to use my own rostered Eddie and Bullseye, but this time, I equipped them both with damage-enhancing supports. 150ish level Taskmaster's sword for Venom and similarly leveled Atlantis for Bullseye.

For the first time ever, I scored a win. Bet the supports had something to do with it. 

TheEyeDoctorsWife

Daniel2121 said:

TheEyeDoctorsWife said:

Is synergy really that important downing one 12K enemy ? Even if this was a 1 on 1 battle Samurine and a support would be kicking him 99 times out of 100 two turns after you make 2 black matches . Every battle through stage 5 was 5 to 7 turns long ( a red match 5 at start activates insta-kill).

I believe it is.

OMD (loaner version)'s red merely tickles Gargantos. Venom and Bullseye do hit harder, but not hard enough to win.

If you need video proof for this, go to Twitch and search for my channel called "leadblast".

Watch the last video I made. 2 attempts on Gargantos with the loaner team, both of which were losses. I used a full set of AP boosts both times. Still I lost.

I could see that. But hopefully by now a recent 5* release like Samurine should be better covered. ( He’s actually my 3rd strongest at 453). Most of the people here in the forums have been playing twice as long as me and their rosters dwarf mine. Possibly it’s just dumb luck I have 2 of the 3 5* champed (only 20% are although I champed Sersi today ) and my roster is already  sufficient even though almost everyone here agrees I have absolutely no clue how to play the game.
Maybe next month’s event will be different with Dr Strange being last month’s news and we probably won’t see Gigantor as a boss for a long time.

HoundofShadow

https://m.twitch.tv/videos/1513432125

I saw your video.

You would have won if you saw the green match-6 and made a match-3 TU at 2:00 mark.

On the second match, at 8:06 minute, you matched tu tiles instead of purple tiles. That caused you an extra 13xx damage to Gargantos.

You would won both matches, but carelessness caused you.

Edit: and also, why did you use loaner Bullseye when your Bullseye is much more powerful? Instead of dealin 13XX damage, I think your Bullseye would have finished the match (deals ~5k damage(?)) before 8:06 minutes.

Daniel2121

HoundofShadow said:

https://m.twitch.tv/videos/1513432125

I saw your video.

You would have won if you saw the green match-6 and made a match-3 TU at 2:00 mark.

On the second match, at 8:06 minute, you matched tu tiles instead of purple tiles. That caused you an extra 13xx damage to Gargantos.

You would won both matches, but carelessness caused you.

Edit: and also, why did you use loaner Bullseye when your Bullseye is much more powerful? Instead of dealin 13XX damage, I think your Bullseye would have finished the match before 8:06 minutes.

I reviewed my first match. Hah I failed to see that 7-match. It was a 7-match. But I had to match away some TU tiles to make it.

Yeah my Bullseye is much stronger than the loaner, yet I was still losing with him. Would have made no difference.

Anyways it seems I'm finally hitting my stride with my Bullseye and Venom, but only because I've attached damage supports to them both so they can punch the octopus harder. Not what I would call a great strategy but it's working.

HoundofShadow

It makes huge difference. I think Loaner Bullseye deals 13xx damage but your Bullseye will deal around 5k damage, which is almost half Gargantos' health. At the end of the match, Gargantos had less than 2000 health left. With your champed Bullseye, he would be down even before you make the tu match at 8:06.

Keep a lookout on his cd tile, its surrounding tiles and the overall board colour. It moves to the next adjacent tiles and signals you the next ap that could be reduced. 

It's very obvious you will be able to win matches. You were just a little careless, that's all.

Daniel2121

Yeah I can win now, won my second game now but still. I'm dealing boosted damage with 4* supports that not everyone has.

Everyone in my alliance is now talking how bad this event is.

Blergh

Daniel2121 said:

HoundofShadow said:

https://m.twitch.tv/videos/1513432125

I saw your video.

You would have won if you saw the green match-6 and made a match-3 TU at 2:00 mark.

On the second match, at 8:06 minute, you matched tu tiles instead of purple tiles. That caused you an extra 13xx damage to Gargantos.

You would won both matches, but carelessness caused you.

Edit: and also, why did you use loaner Bullseye when your Bullseye is much more powerful? Instead of dealin 13XX damage, I think your Bullseye would have finished the match before 8:06 minutes.

I reviewed my first match. Hah I failed to see that 7-match. It was a 7-match. But I had to match away some TU tiles to make it.

Yeah my Bullseye is much stronger than the loaner, yet I was still losing with him. Would have made no difference.

Anyways it seems I'm finally hitting my stride with my Bullseye and Venom, but only because I've attached damage supports to them both so they can punch the octopus harder. Not what I would call a great strategy but it's working.

Ignore the back seat tile matching. The analyst is being a little careless in their assessment.

They are failing to account for chaos theory and the fact that if you had made that seven match, the rest of their winning formula wouldn't have existed.

You may have had a board that would have been a lot worse and died sooner. About the only person that could ever know, is Dr Strange...

Well done for getting the boss that low, not sure I would have with that team. I think some of these raid events are designed with idea that a single hit point knocked off the boss is a win. 

If you having some fun, you're playing it right.

bahamut685

I'm mostly in the "Kudos to the Devs" club for this one (aside from that better communication *beforehand* would have been nice)...
However, some of the folks on 'Team Devs' are saying **** that sounds stupid.
1) The game is free-to-play, but it makes you a big ol' turd if you claim that people who spend money on the game (and therefore KEEP IT RUNNING) aren't spending money on it.
2) You're being facetious if you claim that RNG gifting you enough yellow to make your team invisible against Garganatos ONE TIME means that "it's easy, everyone can clear it with loaners" EVERY TIME.

That said, this event hasn't been apocalyptic, and the devs ARE listening to the feedback. As such, while this event may be very unpleasant and a "skip" for a number of players, giving the feedback is useful, and we can probably afford to skip the pitchforks.

DAZ0273

I've just beaten Round 6 Gargantos with Loaner Daken, Loaner Venom and Sentry, no Supports. Guys you can all do this!!!! I have faith in you! Kill that Squid!!!

Double_O_Revan

I guess I never registered for the forums before and had to wait a few days to have my account verified, so I missed most of the early bickering. But I did want to put my input out there. 

I'm just about to hit 3 years playing. And I,  like many, am not enjoying this event. It's not as bad as the immediate reactions. It took a little bit to figure the characters out, but it's still more frustrating than it should be. The limited usable characters, which are made even more limited by the fact that half of them are dups. To top it off, they're one of the least fun groups in the game.

The only people that seem to be relishing in the challenge are the players of whom this is their primary game. They play heavily every day and do everything they can. For me, this is a game I play while walking the dog, or sitting on the toilet. This game is a time kill for me. I'm not looking to beat my head against a wall to finish a node. And I know I'm not alone in that level of play.

So to release an event that is this frustrating, really alienates a good chunk of your player base. And a big thing no one else really brought up, you also released Puzzle Gauntlet at the same time. Which can be challenging in itself. A different level of challenge, but still it's own level of frustration. So now there are 2 events, with limited character choices and a level of difficulty that can be a big turn off to a large percentage of your user base. With nothing else to do in PVE for a few days. 

I'm trying to get through it for the sake of my Alliance. We have a pretty even split of 1/3 veterans who have been playing for 5+ years, 1/3 of 2-4, and the rest a year or less. I'm working through it, but I'm struggling. I don't see how the lower level people are going to make any real impact. I feel like you kind of wrote them off right from the start.

I was extremely excited when during the last boss, the rewards got bumped to guaranteed 5* vs the LL token. Nothing sucks more than putting in all that hard work only to get a random 4*. But if this is the trade off in order to get those rewards, I'd rather go back.

Aueio

Everyone saying they're using loaners only and more or less can breeze through up to phase 6-7-8, can you please tell me how you're coping with overpowered enemies with health pools 4 times as big as yours, enemies that can 1 shoot you, while your loaner skills only tickles them for 1000 damage here and there?

DAZ0273

Not just using loaners but definitely leaning on them as needed. In my latest clear of Round 6 I used loaners (either Daken or Venom) and a level 300 Sentry(my 366 version is healing) or my base level 255 Goblin 3/2/0 for each of the single nodes and won them all. For the wave node I used Scorpion (296) and Bullseye and loaner Daken and for Gargantos I used a variety of teams based upon who was beat up the most so also Anti-Venom (295) and Venom (306) and Yelena (308 4/2/3)

Blergh

@Double_O_Revan Just out of interest, would your initial reaction to the event have been more positive if it was more clearly communicated in game how the mechanics between this event and the previous run differed? 

Say like you a got a small five node tutorial event, where you got a tiny drop of iso for participating, talking you through the limited roster, how it worked while also explaining it was going to be a puzzling/challenging event. 

Just wondering how much of the initial reaction was people anticipating the ease of the first event but getting a spike in difficulty in the second run due to new mechanics they didn't understand.

DAZ0273

Double_O_Revan said:

I guess I never registered for the forums before and had to wait a few days to have my account verified, so I missed most of the early bickering. But I did want to put my input out there. 

I'm just about to hit 3 years playing. And I,  like many, am not enjoying this event. It's not as bad as the immediate reactions. It took a little bit to figure the characters out, but it's still more frustrating than it should be. The limited usable characters, which are made even more limited by the fact that half of them are dups. To top it off, they're one of the least fun groups in the game.

The only people that seem to be relishing in the challenge are the players of whom this is their primary game. They play heavily every day and do everything they can. For me, this is a game I play while walking the dog, or sitting on the toilet. This game is a time kill for me. I'm not looking to beat my head against a wall to finish a node. And I know I'm not alone in that level of play.

So to release an event that is this frustrating, really alienates a good chunk of your player base. And a big thing no one else really brought up, you also released Puzzle Gauntlet at the same time. Which can be challenging in itself. A different level of challenge, but still it's own level of frustration. So now there are 2 events, with limited character choices and a level of difficulty that can be a big turn off to a large percentage of your user base. With nothing else to do in PVE for a few days. 

I'm trying to get through it for the sake of my Alliance. We have a pretty even split of 1/3 veterans who have been playing for 5+ years, 1/3 of 2-4, and the rest a year or less. I'm working through it, but I'm struggling. I don't see how the lower level people are going to make any real impact. I feel like you kind of wrote them off right from the start.

I was extremely excited when during the last boss, the rewards got bumped to guaranteed 5* vs the LL token. Nothing sucks more than putting in all that hard work only to get a random 4*. But if this is the trade off in order to get those rewards, I'd rather go back.

Double_O_Revan said:

I guess I never registered for the forums before and had to wait a few days to have my account verified, so I missed most of the early bickering. But I did want to put my input out there. 

I'm just about to hit 3 years playing. And I,  like many, am not enjoying this event. It's not as bad as the immediate reactions. It took a little bit to figure the characters out, but it's still more frustrating than it should be. The limited usable characters, which are made even more limited by the fact that half of them are dups. To top it off, they're one of the least fun groups in the game.

The only people that seem to be relishing in the challenge are the players of whom this is their primary game. They play heavily every day and do everything they can. For me, this is a game I play while walking the dog, or sitting on the toilet. This game is a time kill for me. I'm not looking to beat my head against a wall to finish a node. And I know I'm not alone in that level of play.

So to release an event that is this frustrating, really alienates a good chunk of your player base. And a big thing no one else really brought up, you also released Puzzle Gauntlet at the same time. Which can be challenging in itself. A different level of challenge, but still it's own level of frustration. So now there are 2 events, with limited character choices and a level of difficulty that can be a big turn off to a large percentage of your user base. With nothing else to do in PVE for a few days. 

I'm trying to get through it for the sake of my Alliance. We have a pretty even split of 1/3 veterans who have been playing for 5+ years, 1/3 of 2-4, and the rest a year or less. I'm working through it, but I'm struggling. I don't see how the lower level people are going to make any real impact. I feel like you kind of wrote them off right from the start.

I was extremely excited when during the last boss, the rewards got bumped to guaranteed 5* vs the LL token. Nothing sucks more than putting in all that hard work only to get a random 4*. But if this is the trade off in order to get those rewards, I'd rather go back.

Hopefully you can get some 4* covers for a great 4* in Scorpion. If you are strictly casual then the 5* isn't really that important to you? It honestly is doable but you might just have to prepare to lose once in a while. I don't know how hard it will get and obviously we have another dreaded boost to the side nodes later today but the first run of this event was a joke. Something had to change. If you got 5* covers from that then really you should be looking at this as OK I got paid up front so maybe now is the time to get to work. Obviously you may not see it that way which is of course fine.

scottishhaig

Double_O_Revan said:

I guess I never registered for the forums before and had to wait a few days to have my account verified, so I missed most of the early bickering. But I did want to put my input out there. 

I'm just about to hit 3 years playing. And I,  like many, am not enjoying this event. It's not as bad as the immediate reactions. It took a little bit to figure the characters out, but it's still more frustrating than it should be. The limited usable characters, which are made even more limited by the fact that half of them are dups. To top it off, they're one of the least fun groups in the game.

The only people that seem to be relishing in the challenge are the players of whom this is their primary game. They play heavily every day and do everything they can. For me, this is a game I play while walking the dog, or sitting on the toilet. This game is a time kill for me. I'm not looking to beat my head against a wall to finish a node. And I know I'm not alone in that level of play.

So to release an event that is this frustrating, really alienates a good chunk of your player base. And a big thing no one else really brought up, you also released Puzzle Gauntlet at the same time. Which can be challenging in itself. A different level of challenge, but still it's own level of frustration. So now there are 2 events, with limited character choices and a level of difficulty that can be a big turn off to a large percentage of your user base. With nothing else to do in PVE for a few days. 

I'm trying to get through it for the sake of my Alliance. We have a pretty even split of 1/3 veterans who have been playing for 5+ years, 1/3 of 2-4, and the rest a year or less. I'm working through it, but I'm struggling. I don't see how the lower level people are going to make any real impact. I feel like you kind of wrote them off right from the start.

I was extremely excited when during the last boss, the rewards got bumped to guaranteed 5* vs the LL token. Nothing sucks more than putting in all that hard work only to get a random 4*. But if this is the trade off in order to get those rewards, I'd rather go back.

This sums up my feelings well.  I am on day 356 after returning.  This is a new account.  I would consider myself a very casual player though I play everyday.  

I'm not big on strategy.  SCL10 is mostly Kitty/Pol/Grocket.  I don't delve too far into the Puzzle Gauntlet - my 4* roster is just not deep enough (champed toons) and as I've noted, not big on strategy.  I have 6 champed 5* w/ two more at 12 covers.  Sadly the 5* for this event are at best 3 covers and I do not have a champed Scorpion or AV.

I've beaten the squid maybe 5 times?  I typically use the loaners until the last go and then switch to my champed 3* DA toons which makes it slightly easier.  I did start using a +1 AP boost.  I will not make progression on this one.  My alliance is on round 5 and while I'll probably attempt 6, I don't anticipate making it very far.  

All that said.  It's just a game.  I learned from my previous play that getting frustrated is not the way to play so if I come up against something that defeats me quickly, I just wait for the next event.  I get enough of an analytical workout from my job - I don't need it when I'm trying to relax.

While I'm definitely on the side of those that don't like this event, normal play will resume in a couple of days.  I'm sure the devs are aware of the feelings on this and will hopefully adjust accordingly.

For those curious, yes, I do spend real money on this activity - certainly much more than I should, but it's my entertainment so my choice.

CHRISJN

Impression:
Limited use of character is good. Back from the old heroic pve event.
Gargantos is not too hard to kill, even in round 8. Match damage from yelena and GG can beat  him, plus AG's passive board shake every turn..
And of course the rewards are too good. Free 5* are always appreciated. And I can finally champ 4* scorpion..