R192: Champion Rewards Updates

crackninja

For those saying there must be more updates coming, this is as ice described it in the updates, so I see no reason to expect more.

BoyWonder1914

It feels like almost ever since they started feeders they made it clear that they didn't want veteran characters getting big pay days of 5-star covers from high-level feeders. Very rarely did they pick someone that a lot of folks would have at a high level, they would pick relatively newly released characters or unpopular characters. Then there was the infamous Discord chat where they felt they were giving out feeders "too frequently". Can't say it comes as a surprise that they changed the retroactive rewards for something much less generous. 

killahKlown

crackninja said:

For those saying there must be more updates coming, this is as ice described it in the updates, so I see no reason to expect more.

they've reverted in the past based on mass uproar

Polares

DarthDeVo said:

For the record, I very much had a "wait and see" approach in regards to shards. 

They're essentially colorless covers, a long-requested feature. I knew there were likely gonna be some  tradeoffs. 

When they were initially announced and implemented and some people immediately went negative, I was still waiting to see what the full picture would look like before weighing in. 

I realize there will likely still be updates to PvE and PvP placement/progression rewards to include shards. 

But if this update is any indication, just stop. Please stop the bleeding. Go back to bonus heroes. With each update, it seems better and better in hindsight and comparison. Give us back our CP/HP/ISO in champ rewards. Keep the Mighty Tokens though, those are OK.

How's the song go? "Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got till it's gone?"

Thanks for proving that true once again. 

This is a fricking disaster! I don't remember something like this in 6 years!

I was also having a wait and see attitude with the replacement of BH with Shards, but it is now crystal clear what they wanted. Sell those shard offers for HP and money. And or course they have removed HP from all tiers, so now you need to buy HP for money,

And on top of that they have screwed the release of the new Feeders! In one day they have "robbed" me of like 10 covers or more for the new feeders! This is just nuts.

Vhailorx

Polares said:

DarthDeVo said:

For the record, I very much had a "wait and see" approach in regards to shards. 

They're essentially colorless covers, a long-requested feature. I knew there were likely gonna be some  tradeoffs. 

When they were initially announced and implemented and some people immediately went negative, I was still waiting to see what the full picture would look like before weighing in. 

I realize there will likely still be updates to PvE and PvP placement/progression rewards to include shards. 

But if this update is any indication, just stop. Please stop the bleeding. Go back to bonus heroes. With each update, it seems better and better in hindsight and comparison. Give us back our CP/HP/ISO in champ rewards. Keep the Mighty Tokens though, those are OK.

How's the song go? "Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got till it's gone?"

Thanks for proving that true once again. 

This is a fricking disaster! I don't remember something like this in 6 years!

I was also having a wait and see with the replacement of BH with Shards, but it is now crystal clear what they wanted. Sell those shard offers for HP and money. And or course they have removed HP from all tiers, so now you need to buy HP for money,

And on top of that they have screwed the release of the new Feeders! In one day they have "robbed" me of like 10 covers or more for the new feeders! This is just nuts.

The first run Galactus was this bad (in rounds 7 and 8 and he was a certain team wipe in 3 turns). 

And Boss rush was definitely this bad. 

But neither of those mistakes had the breadth of impact of this system. 

crackninja

killahKlown said:

crackninja said:

For those saying there must be more updates coming, this is as ice described it in the updates, so I see no reason to expect more.

they've reverted in the past based on mass uproar

Changing their minds could happen, but just saying this was not a mistake or staggered payout

killahKlown

crackninja said:

killahKlown said:

crackninja said:

For those saying there must be more updates coming, this is as ice described it in the updates, so I see no reason to expect more.

they've reverted in the past based on mass uproar

Changing their minds could happen, but just saying this was not a mistake or staggered payout

agreed...we have received all that they planned to give out

Bryan Lambert

The hilarious thing about this is that making people instantly happy with a one time payout is a fantastic way to soften the blow of what is long-term a net loss. I say “fantastic” from D3’s perspective. 

Clearly the calculation is that the number of players who'll do the math and be mad about being shortchanges is way smaller than the number who’ll ooh at the long confusing list of freebies and move on.

Vhailorx

BoyWonder1914 said:

It feels like almost ever since they started feeders they made it clear that they didn't want veteran characters getting big pay days of 5-star covers from high-level feeders. Very rarely did they pick someone that a lot of folks would have at a high level, they would pick relatively newly released characters or unpopular characters. Then there was the infamous Discord chat where they felt they were giving out feeders "too frequently". Can't say it comes as a surprise that they changed the retroactive rewards for something much less generous. 

This is definitely a true reflection of how demi/d3 feel.  But I never understood why.  In the most extreme scenario, the old system meant giving out 6x 5* covers to those players with level 360+ 4* champs. 

But how many players have level 360+ 4*s without spending?  And how many of them would have spent more, but for a windfall of 6x 5* covers? That seems like a vanishingly small population, but demi always acted like it was a critical concern.  I feel like I am missing something.

Six champ levels just don't seem like that big a deal for those players with dozens of 5* champs.  I know I use my 450 okoye a whole lot more than 455 SS.

cpeyton3535

"At the same time, for 4-Star characters that are receiving all-new rewards, we want to ensure that players receive those rewards for the level they have reached."

Whelp, fell short on that claim.  Many have pointed it out - no issue with how they handled rewards for chars with existing feeders, but those that got new feeders should have been treated differently.  Should have lived up to the statement quoted above and to the precedent you set with past retroactive rewards. 

I mean penalizing someone for hitting, say, 340 yesterday on a character with a new feeder is just sad.  Here's 100 shards instead of a cover.  If I'd known how the retroactive rewards were going to work I can say honestly I would have held onto some 4* covers rather than leveling up.

Polares

Vhailorx said:

Polares said:

DarthDeVo said:

For the record, I very much had a "wait and see" approach in regards to shards. 

They're essentially colorless covers, a long-requested feature. I knew there were likely gonna be some  tradeoffs. 

When they were initially announced and implemented and some people immediately went negative, I was still waiting to see what the full picture would look like before weighing in. 

I realize there will likely still be updates to PvE and PvP placement/progression rewards to include shards. 

But if this update is any indication, just stop. Please stop the bleeding. Go back to bonus heroes. With each update, it seems better and better in hindsight and comparison. Give us back our CP/HP/ISO in champ rewards. Keep the Mighty Tokens though, those are OK.

How's the song go? "Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got till it's gone?"

Thanks for proving that true once again. 

This is a fricking disaster! I don't remember something like this in 6 years!

I was also having a wait and see with the replacement of BH with Shards, but it is now crystal clear what they wanted. Sell those shard offers for HP and money. And or course they have removed HP from all tiers, so now you need to buy HP for money,

And on top of that they have screwed the release of the new Feeders! In one day they have "robbed" me of like 10 covers or more for the new feeders! This is just nuts.

The first run Galactus was this bad (in rounds 7 and 8 and he was a certain team wipe in 3 turns). 

And Boss rush was definitely this bad. 

But neither of those mistakes had the breadth of impact of this system. 

These were just a few events going horribly wrong, which was obviously bad at the time, but this is WAY worse, way way worse.

Feeders have been added all the time to the game, and we ALWAYS got the missing covers retroactively. This is Devs just changing the rules for the worse. Today I lost like 15 5 covers. but this change has way bigger implications for the future and will force people to buy HP as it is not going to be possible to get enough HP with champion rewards as it used to be. They have just changed the economy of the game of the game completely and for the worse. This is a clear anti-player movement as I have not seen in this game ever.

Like this is a big deal. Like really big deal!

shinnaruto

Everyone, we received a post on discord say that the rewards rolled out as intended.
There was no error.

Happy Holidays!

Crowl

Being shortchanged in this manner wouldn't have even been as bad if shards were generic per tier level, at least then people could actually focus them onto characters they actually want rather than the situation no where you have dozens of characters with a smattering of shards that need to be micromanaged for them not to be utterly useless, while the game ui is totally unsuited for such a purpose with no indicators beyond tagged characters and a full cover available.

killahKlown

Vhailorx said:

BoyWonder1914 said:

It feels like almost ever since they started feeders they made it clear that they didn't want veteran characters getting big pay days of 5-star covers from high-level feeders. Very rarely did they pick someone that a lot of folks would have at a high level, they would pick relatively newly released characters or unpopular characters. Then there was the infamous Discord chat where they felt they were giving out feeders "too frequently". Can't say it comes as a surprise that they changed the retroactive rewards for something much less generous. 

This is definitely a true reflection of how demi/d3 feel.  But I never understood why.  In the most extreme scenario, the old system meant giving out 6x 5* covers to those players with level 360+ 4* champs. 

But how many players have level 360+ 4*s without spending?  And how many of them would have spent more, but for a windfall of 6x 5* covers? That seems like a vanishingly small population, but demi always acted like it was a critical concern.  I feel like I am missing something.

Six champ levels just don't seem like that big a deal for those players with dozens of 5* champs.  I know I use my 450 okoye a whole lot more than 455 SS.

I only spend on VIP..and have many maxed 4s

Vhailorx

Polares said:

Vhailorx said:

Polares said:

DarthDeVo said:

For the record, I very much had a "wait and see" approach in regards to shards. 

They're essentially colorless covers, a long-requested feature. I knew there were likely gonna be some  tradeoffs. 

When they were initially announced and implemented and some people immediately went negative, I was still waiting to see what the full picture would look like before weighing in. 

I realize there will likely still be updates to PvE and PvP placement/progression rewards to include shards. 

But if this update is any indication, just stop. Please stop the bleeding. Go back to bonus heroes. With each update, it seems better and better in hindsight and comparison. Give us back our CP/HP/ISO in champ rewards. Keep the Mighty Tokens though, those are OK.

How's the song go? "Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got till it's gone?"

Thanks for proving that true once again. 

This is a fricking disaster! I don't remember something like this in 6 years!

I was also having a wait and see with the replacement of BH with Shards, but it is now crystal clear what they wanted. Sell those shard offers for HP and money. And or course they have removed HP from all tiers, so now you need to buy HP for money,

And on top of that they have screwed the release of the new Feeders! In one day they have "robbed" me of like 10 covers or more for the new feeders! This is just nuts.

The first run Galactus was this bad (in rounds 7 and 8 and he was a certain team wipe in 3 turns). 

And Boss rush was definitely this bad. 

But neither of those mistakes had the breadth of impact of this system. 

These were just a few events going horribly wrong, which was obviously bad at the time, but this is WAY worse, way way worse.

Feeders have been added all the time to the game, and we ALWAYS got the missing covers retroactively. This is Devs just changing the rules for the worse. Today I lost like 15 5 covers. but this change has way bigger implications for the future and will force people to buy HP as it is not going to be possible to get enough HP with champion rewards as it used to be. They have just changed the economy of the game of the game completely and for the worse. This is a clear anti-player movement as I have not seen in this game ever.

Like this is a big deal. Like really big deal!

You are preaching to the choir polares!  I have been playing Cassandra ever since shards were announced.  It seems to me that all this stuff is just window dressing to mask a significant reduction is player resource acquisition rates.

bluewolf

shinnaruto said:

Everyone, we received a post on discord say that the rewards rolled out as intended.
There was no error.

Happy Holidays!

100% true, confirmed by Anthony.

Do as you will with the information.  No more rewards, no stage 2.  This is it.

Vhailorx

killahKlown said:

Vhailorx said:

BoyWonder1914 said:

It feels like almost ever since they started feeders they made it clear that they didn't want veteran characters getting big pay days of 5-star covers from high-level feeders. Very rarely did they pick someone that a lot of folks would have at a high level, they would pick relatively newly released characters or unpopular characters. Then there was the infamous Discord chat where they felt they were giving out feeders "too frequently". Can't say it comes as a surprise that they changed the retroactive rewards for something much less generous. 

This is definitely a true reflection of how demi/d3 feel.  But I never understood why.  In the most extreme scenario, the old system meant giving out 6x 5* covers to those players with level 360+ 4* champs. 

But how many players have level 360+ 4*s without spending?  And how many of them would have spent more, but for a windfall of 6x 5* covers? That seems like a vanishingly small population, but demi always acted like it was a critical concern.  I feel like I am missing something.

Six champ levels just don't seem like that big a deal for those players with dozens of 5* champs.  I know I use my 450 okoye a whole lot more than 455 SS.

I only spend on VIP..and have many maxed 4s

Umm, is spending on VIP not spending?

Daredevil217

HoundofShadow said:

Yes, I agree some players got shortchanged for new feeders.

No one got “shortchanged”. The developers gave exactly the amount of covers they said they would (at like 1 AM last night).  This is not a problem with the developers, players just need to manage their expectations. 

You have to understand that in the real world businesses have KPIs, shareholders to appease, and licenses to maintain (Disney/Marvel). 

And if players are going to run around like spoiled entitled children here complaining about free stuff, why should this company just hand them MORE free rewards?? I’m sorry Hound, that’s not how the real world works. 

Polares

Vhailorx said:

Polares said:

Vhailorx said:

Polares said:

DarthDeVo said:

For the record, I very much had a "wait and see" approach in regards to shards. 

They're essentially colorless covers, a long-requested feature. I knew there were likely gonna be some  tradeoffs. 

When they were initially announced and implemented and some people immediately went negative, I was still waiting to see what the full picture would look like before weighing in. 

I realize there will likely still be updates to PvE and PvP placement/progression rewards to include shards. 

But if this update is any indication, just stop. Please stop the bleeding. Go back to bonus heroes. With each update, it seems better and better in hindsight and comparison. Give us back our CP/HP/ISO in champ rewards. Keep the Mighty Tokens though, those are OK.

How's the song go? "Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got till it's gone?"

Thanks for proving that true once again. 

This is a fricking disaster! I don't remember something like this in 6 years!

I was also having a wait and see with the replacement of BH with Shards, but it is now crystal clear what they wanted. Sell those shard offers for HP and money. And or course they have removed HP from all tiers, so now you need to buy HP for money,

And on top of that they have screwed the release of the new Feeders! In one day they have "robbed" me of like 10 covers or more for the new feeders! This is just nuts.

The first run Galactus was this bad (in rounds 7 and 8 and he was a certain team wipe in 3 turns). 

And Boss rush was definitely this bad. 

But neither of those mistakes had the breadth of impact of this system. 

These were just a few events going horribly wrong, which was obviously bad at the time, but this is WAY worse, way way worse.

Feeders have been added all the time to the game, and we ALWAYS got the missing covers retroactively. This is Devs just changing the rules for the worse. Today I lost like 15 5 covers. but this change has way bigger implications for the future and will force people to buy HP as it is not going to be possible to get enough HP with champion rewards as it used to be. They have just changed the economy of the game of the game completely and for the worse. This is a clear anti-player movement as I have not seen in this game ever.

Like this is a big deal. Like really big deal!

You are preaching to the choir polares!  I have been playing Cassandra ever since shards were announced.  It seems to me that all this stuff is just window dressing to mask a significant reduction is player resource acquisition rates.

Yeah I think this is something that admits no discussion right now.

The sad part, is just with the BH - shards change, they could have accomplished most of what they want in the sense that we would need more HP to buy those offers. And they could keep poping those 50$ offers like the one for Kitty. This should have helped get more money, and I could understand that, the change was not as massive as this one.

I also hate that they tried to sell this as a positive change when it is obvious it is a pretty bad change, and that they have screwed veteran players.

The only thing I could think right now is that maybe it is time to quit. Maybe six years is enough.

shinnaruto

I just do not think it was explained the right way on how it was going to affect players. Granted, that is a tough thing to do with the large player base with rosters and builds all over the base spectrum.

This led to a lot of speculation. That has led to the outrage and players being upset.