Daiches said: Bowgentle said: The rockett said: I am in the same boat as Zero Karma was last event. Did my grind in 23 mins and now in 8th place because they tapping an extra 500 points in sub 1. In fact, I cleared sub 2 first in 19 mins and they are still not done with theirs. They cannot keep up with pure speed, they can only win to tap tap tap for 3-10 hours each sub. only way they can win. In s1, maybe.In s2 they finish the clears first AND then tap on top of that. Why clear fast when you know you're gonna tap? An extra 15 minutes to compensate for slow clears is nothing to them.
Bowgentle said: The rockett said: I am in the same boat as Zero Karma was last event. Did my grind in 23 mins and now in 8th place because they tapping an extra 500 points in sub 1. In fact, I cleared sub 2 first in 19 mins and they are still not done with theirs. They cannot keep up with pure speed, they can only win to tap tap tap for 3-10 hours each sub. only way they can win. In s1, maybe.In s2 they finish the clears first AND then tap on top of that.
The rockett said: I am in the same boat as Zero Karma was last event. Did my grind in 23 mins and now in 8th place because they tapping an extra 500 points in sub 1. In fact, I cleared sub 2 first in 19 mins and they are still not done with theirs. They cannot keep up with pure speed, they can only win to tap tap tap for 3-10 hours each sub. only way they can win.
I am in the same boat as Zero Karma was last event. Did my grind in 23 mins and now in 8th place because they tapping an extra 500 points in sub 1.
In fact, I cleared sub 2 first in 19 mins and they are still not done with theirs. They cannot keep up with pure speed, they can only win to tap tap tap for 3-10 hours each sub. only way they can win.
OJSP said: Was 10th after the first clears of the first sub. Maybe mistimed my grind slightly so I fell to 14th (my Archangel is not championed, so I’d rather have some spare time to repeat the node if I had to). However, the points spread of those above me showed that even if I played optimally, I’d fall out of t10 anyway.Not going to discuss the tappers and give them the attention, they know who they are. Finished 8th for the 2nd sub’s clears.. With the weekend coming, I’m guessing I’ll drop out of t20 by the end of this sub.
Dogface said: Whether you tap or you don't, t10 is what it is. Just 10 people. In a non-tap world there's a pretty good chance too you won't get there. If 11 people here on the forum claim they'd hit t10 easily, someone will miss the boat (provided they play the same bracket. Sure i'd be hearing about that if i didn't mention it).And t5 is, the smart ones might figure, only 5 people.
Dogface said: I'd like to see all people here vying for top placement competing in one bracket for once. That's the true test. I'd be on the sideline watching the big dogs fight it out.
Dogface said: So, OJSP, Bowgentle, Life of Agony and The Rockett so far. Places fill up quickly.
LifeofAgony said: I’m totally comfortable losing to people when it’s an even play fielding. If my best placement is t10 on a level field, then so be it. But without tapping, t5 was never a question for me.
Spudgutter said: LifeofAgony said: I’m totally comfortable losing to people when it’s an even play fielding. If my best placement is t10 on a level field, then so be it. But without tapping, t5 was never a question for me. And I'm totally comfortable losing to people who put in the extra effort than i am (my best placement is top 50 with or without tapping). Honest question, why do you think your perception is worth more than mine?Both sides have stated their take on the issue ad nauseam. But it really boils down to this, doesn't it? Some people care, and some people don'tTo add to it, think about when they ran a test for PVP to wins based. Again, a situation that benefited some, and held back the rewards of others. If you believe their statements and that a test shows they are trying to improve a system, then why were so many people (including those against tapping) against it? You either accept that they are trying to make the game better and more fair (get rid of tapping and make pvp wins-based) or you would rather people who put in extra effort get extra rewards (tap to your hearts content and use battle chats to get thousands of points in PVP).
aesthetocyst said: Spudgutter said:You either accept that they are trying to make the game better and more fair (get rid of tapping and make pvp wins-based) or you would rather people who put in extra effort get extra rewards (tap to your hearts content and use battle chats to get thousands of points in PVP). Invalid comparison; transition to participation PvP does not eliminate or reduce extra effort to win. Rather it piled on pressure to use battle chats to rack up insane scores, as part of that test moved a valuable resource from progression to placement. And players who crank out the crazy scores are blowing way past 40 wins, so that was no concern for them either.
Spudgutter said:You either accept that they are trying to make the game better and more fair (get rid of tapping and make pvp wins-based) or you would rather people who put in extra effort get extra rewards (tap to your hearts content and use battle chats to get thousands of points in PVP).
tiomono said: And tapping is equally available to all players. So it is a level playing field.
Sm0keyJ0e said: Because "time invested" does not take into account roster growth, which is the ENTIRE POINT OF THE GAME. There is no end game--you play to grow your roster and advance. Advancement in the game is in strength of roster. A stronger roster can clear PVE faster. Is this deal? I dunno--would prefer a mix of roster development and skill. But that doesn't exist.In every RPG I've ever known, and MPQ classifies itself as such, you play to grow your roster so you can defeat tougher enemies and win more rewards. It should not be based solely on time invested, which is what tapping currently is.