Daredevil217 said: Sm0keyJ0e said: You people that are trying to defend tapping as a legitimate way to win the best rewards are delusional and/or simply kidding yourselves or trolling. Not only have the devs come out and said it's not intended gameplay (and have actually tested removing it), the tappers themselves have admitted it's no good! One of the most notorious tappers posted here on the forums how his wrist and fingers ached, he become grumpy and irritable, and basically what an awful experience it was. He also said he'd never do it again but continues to do so every single event.They need to be saved from themselves. Blood clots are real!!! I’m a psychologist and one of the golden rules of therapy is you cannot work harder than your clients. People have to want to change. You think you’re saving him but really the game isn’t the problem. It’s a character structure issue. Similar to how adult children of alcoholics see alcohol as inherently evil and the “problem”. The alcohol isn’t the problem. It’s the addictive character structure of the person. So trust me when I say that you aren’t saving anyone from themselves.
Sm0keyJ0e said: You people that are trying to defend tapping as a legitimate way to win the best rewards are delusional and/or simply kidding yourselves or trolling. Not only have the devs come out and said it's not intended gameplay (and have actually tested removing it), the tappers themselves have admitted it's no good! One of the most notorious tappers posted here on the forums how his wrist and fingers ached, he become grumpy and irritable, and basically what an awful experience it was. He also said he'd never do it again but continues to do so every single event.They need to be saved from themselves. Blood clots are real!!!
CharlieCroker said: I think someone nailed it in the last tapping thread and it's at least been alluded to in this thread. If I as a random player know that a number of players in my bracket are tapping and unless I'm also willing to sacrifice hours of my life to compete, what chance do i have of achieving good placement and is there any point in my even trying. This leads to gradual disillusionment and can turn even the most dedicated players away from the game. Meanwhile the tappers are doing NOTHING for the devs/publishers bottom line, as they generally tap nodes that don't need healthpacks.In my current 3.9 bracket I have at least 3 players who have tapped out 1000+ points so far, a couple of more who have done some tapping, and two mega whales who somehow are holding onto t5 without (afaik) tapping. If I'd know this beforehand I wouldn't have bothered trying to compete (possibly for t10) and would've played casually instead of on a schedule. And it's not just limited to CL9, I've seen worse in CL7 albeit both times in release events.
Sm0keyJ0e said: Daredevil217 said: Sm0keyJ0e said: You people that are trying to defend tapping as a legitimate way to win the best rewards are delusional and/or simply kidding yourselves or trolling. Not only have the devs come out and said it's not intended gameplay (and have actually tested removing it), the tappers themselves have admitted it's no good! One of the most notorious tappers posted here on the forums how his wrist and fingers ached, he become grumpy and irritable, and basically what an awful experience it was. He also said he'd never do it again but continues to do so every single event.They need to be saved from themselves. Blood clots are real!!! I’m a psychologist and one of the golden rules of therapy is you cannot work harder than your clients. People have to want to change. You think you’re saving him but really the game isn’t the problem. It’s a character structure issue. Similar to how adult children of alcoholics see alcohol as inherently evil and the “problem”. The alcohol isn’t the problem. It’s the addictive character structure of the person. So trust me when I say that you aren’t saving anyone from themselves. So then you'd also certainly understand you don't surround a recovering alcoholic with liquor. If there are rules in place to prevent this behavior, they won't be able to engage in it.
Daredevil217 said: Sm0keyJ0e said:So then you'd also certainly understand you don't surround a recovering alcoholic with liquor. If there are rules in place to prevent this behavior, they won't be able to engage in it. I’m not taking responsibility for your sobriety. I can keep all the liquor away from you but if you really want it you’ll go to a liquor store. Ultimately the onus is on you to make changes you deem healthy for yourself. Prohibition is not the answer.
Sm0keyJ0e said:So then you'd also certainly understand you don't surround a recovering alcoholic with liquor. If there are rules in place to prevent this behavior, they won't be able to engage in it.
Borstock said: CharlieCroker said: I think someone nailed it in the last tapping thread and it's at least been alluded to in this thread. If I as a random player know that a number of players in my bracket are tapping and unless I'm also willing to sacrifice hours of my life to compete, what chance do i have of achieving good placement and is there any point in my even trying. This leads to gradual disillusionment and can turn even the most dedicated players away from the game. Meanwhile the tappers are doing NOTHING for the devs/publishers bottom line, as they generally tap nodes that don't need healthpacks.In my current 3.9 bracket I have at least 3 players who have tapped out 1000+ points so far, a couple of more who have done some tapping, and two mega whales who somehow are holding onto t5 without (afaik) tapping. If I'd know this beforehand I wouldn't have bothered trying to compete (possibly for t10) and would've played casually instead of on a schedule. And it's not just limited to CL9, I've seen worse in CL7 albeit both times in release events. You act like t50 rewards are a pittance. I've built my roster with t50 rewards and have almost every 4* champed. I rarely ever t10 anything in this game. I can count the number of times I've finished t10 in PvE on one hand. I still say this is a "problem" that affects about 5 people per bracket, each slice.
Raud said: Tappers are like a cheaters, some players can play against them with no problem and some says that is no fun.
Dartmaster01 said: What's funny to me is, all these people saying tappers are taking their top 10 rewards when most (not all) of the people I see tapping are the one's that would be top 10 anyway. If you weren't a top 10 player before tapping, you're probably not going to be one after either.
broll said: Raud said: Tappers are like a cheaters, some players can play against them with no problem and some says that is no fun. If tapping is cheating, then battle chats are also cheating. Both are working within the rules of the game with 0 exploits or hacks but leveraging clever, strategies to get better rewards in a way the devs probably didn't intend.Edit: For the record the point of of this is NOT that I think BCs are cheating, but that I don't think tapping is either.
Daiches said: Dogface said: There's a lot of talk about tapping and that it isn't what the devs intended. I can also argue that the way it is now where how fast you reach a number of points decides your placement isn't what the devs intend. If they wanted a speed based game, then why isnt there a timer, like in Candy Crush and the like? Because it's a game of skill, where you carefully pick your matches either going for your own colors or denying the enemies' colors. Right now people are meticulously timing clears, steamrolling nodes, making certain they have the best internet connection, turning off animations all because of speed. This is not a speedrun, or it shouldn't be at least. Dude. Just because the timer isn't an actual stopwatch doesn't mean there isn't a timer. The timer is right there, regenerating points.
Dogface said: There's a lot of talk about tapping and that it isn't what the devs intended. I can also argue that the way it is now where how fast you reach a number of points decides your placement isn't what the devs intend. If they wanted a speed based game, then why isnt there a timer, like in Candy Crush and the like? Because it's a game of skill, where you carefully pick your matches either going for your own colors or denying the enemies' colors. Right now people are meticulously timing clears, steamrolling nodes, making certain they have the best internet connection, turning off animations all because of speed. This is not a speedrun, or it shouldn't be at least.
Sm0keyJ0e said: Daredevil217 said: Sm0keyJ0e said:So then you'd also certainly understand you don't surround a recovering alcoholic with liquor. If there are rules in place to prevent this behavior, they won't be able to engage in it. I’m not taking responsibility for your sobriety. I can keep all the liquor away from you but if you really want it you’ll go to a liquor store. Ultimately the onus is on you to make changes you deem healthy for yourself. Prohibition is not the answer. I like how you've conveniently turned this into second-person as if I have the issue. Just disable tapping, please. It's stupid and unhealthy.
PenniesForEveryone said: \They had no idea people would try to overcome that barrier by absurd amounts of tapping though.So while I'm confident that tapping was never the intent, and think the reason we haven't seen a permanent fix yet is because they are hesitant to make it entirely a speed based game as well.
\They had no idea people would try to overcome that barrier by absurd amounts of tapping though.
Daredevil217 said: Sm0keyJ0e said: Daredevil217 said: Sm0keyJ0e said:So then you'd also certainly understand you don't surround a recovering alcoholic with liquor. If there are rules in place to prevent this behavior, they won't be able to engage in it. I’m not taking responsibility for your sobriety. I can keep all the liquor away from you but if you really want it you’ll go to a liquor store. Ultimately the onus is on you to make changes you deem healthy for yourself. Prohibition is not the answer. I like how you've conveniently turned this into second-person as if I have the issue. Just disable tapping, please. It's stupid and unhealthy. C’mon now. You know I didn’t mean you specifically or think you specifically have a drinking problem or a tapping problem. That was a general “you” meaning anyone. Let’s not turn this into that please. I’ll edit my post so as not to confuse anyone else so we can discuss the main point I was making. You started your response to me with “you’d also certainly understand that...”Which I don’t and explained why. Since I’ve addressed the perceived slight by explaining and editing, feel free to respond to the actual point I was making. If you want. If not that’s fine too.
Raud said: broll said: Raud said: Tappers are like a cheaters, some players can play against them with no problem and some says that is no fun. If tapping is cheating, then battle chats are also cheating. Both are working within the rules of the game with 0 exploits or hacks but leveraging clever, strategies to get better rewards in a way the devs probably didn't intend.Edit: For the record the point of of this is NOT that I think BCs are cheating, but that I don't think tapping is either. Where i say that tapping is cheating? Are dev fighting against battle chats?
Raud said: Tappers are like a cheaters