John Wayne74 said: I will likely get banned for this but oh well. Gambit is popular because people are inherently lazy. People with gambit talk about how he’s not that op. Fools talk. Why? Because you are blind to the fact that you are singularly speaking of gambit vs gambit. Test yourselves if you have the ability. Play without gambit. Try your best to beat him. Use your trick teams to do it. Once you do, watch how rapidly you get killed from the rest of the gambit world. I honestly don’t care anymore.He has truly ruined the game for me. I don’t have him even close to covered and honestly don’t want him. I don’t think that I should have to basically cover my other 5*’s and only chase the one to play the game. I have 16 Champed 5*’s and cant hit 1.2 anymore. I get killed when I use teams that can take down gambit teams. Which all I can queue in pvp. When I change to (use to be strong) 5* teams when I can it’s too late.I am reading comments from people about releasing even more powerful counters to gambit. Is there a lack of education in the masses?? Gambit already made all other 5*’s completely useless. Now you want even stronger, faster, better one on top of him? That just furthers the power creep that destroys the ability to use the other 5*’s who came before that are already irrelevant. For those who hoarded at the right time and went crazy for gambit, they are having a field day with him. But in reality it made the entire almost 200 other characters in game useless and needless other than in required missions. Even if they boost classic 5*’s occasionally they will still be stopped by level 450 gambit teams. That’s boosted to 550+ and still stopped by a base level champed gambit. To me this is so laughable that lazy people that like their super fast guaranteed wins rule the masses and will continue to push the game towards even more classic killing metas by not admitting that the only reason they like him is he’s perfectly suited to their lazy ways.Gambit is a 6* with a 5* rating. Either call him what he is or dial him down to be on par with his supposed peers.
thisone said: My Gambolt couldn't float at 1650 in sim, more like 1400. I guess D3s own metrics will sift the truth from the hyperbole. G 459/B 452 for context. Either champed surfer or phoenix as 3rd.Truth is, Gambit alone is easy to beat. There are various strategies to do it. Gambit is very strong with Bolt, true. Gambit V Gambit, player is strong favourite. Add Peggy and it's a guaranteed win.I remember when Fist debuted at 3*, and everyone was aghast at his "free" damage output. I see Gambit as similar, if you face him you are likely taking a bit of damage. Primarily though because of Bolt. Without Bolt... You can absolutely take him with the same risk as any 5*. With certain caveats.Gambolt is the boogieman, but as an owner I can guarantee people can and do hit you.The only nerf, I'd advise is:If gambit dies. Destroy all purple and red AP. That caveat I talked about? Gambit leaving behind AP for others to use.Otherwise, I'm willing to see how the meta shifts during the next few 5* releases. Gambit feels epic, let's see some more 5* in that vein now.
madoctor said: It doesn't matter what others have. What matters is what you have and how you choose to use the resources you have. One cannot have everything new and shiny all the time. I accept that and rely on my better puzzle matching skills to out manouver the opponent.
LifeofAgony said: I have 22 champ 5s, none of which happen to be the Cajun. Nothing I have gives me better than a coin flip odds of victory, and reasonably I’m not gonna win if it’s a Gambolt. #NerfGambitAlready
Bowgentle said: madoctor said: It doesn't matter what others have. What matters is what you have and how you choose to use the resources you have. One cannot have everything new and shiny all the time. I accept that and rely on my better puzzle matching skills to out manouver the opponent. Good luck relying on your puzzle matching skills against a 5* who will do 17K damage every other round unless you stun him.It's not the people who only have Gambit who are advocating for a nerf.I have 15 champed 5s, including Gambit.He needs a nerf because he breaks the basic premise of a match 3 game: Match 3 to get resources.And no, I don't want another OP 5* as a counter.This accelerates power creep to an unacceptable level.
jredd said: would this work?black (5 covers): 14 ap cost.destroys up to 7 red and 7 purple basic or charged tiles. gains ap, doesn't do damage.eliminate the auto ap generation and power lock.
For his first featured PVE, I played a 3/2/1 Gambit that was soft capped at 345. At 1 black cover, he generates 1 Purple AP, so basically this was a Gambit without the auto-AP generation and a bit less damage. The conclusion I came to was his Red was perfectly fine without it (possibly still a bit OP, but not the incredibly ugly thing it is now,) but his purple was very slightly expensive for what it got you.
I think the simplest answer is to change his black to a cheap charged tile generator. Say, 6 ap with something like the following progression:
- create 1 black charged tile
- create 1 purple or black charged tile
- create 2 purple or black charged tiles
- create 2 purple, black, or red charged tiles
- create 3 purple, black, or red charged tiles
This helps the red do damage and feeds the purple. At the upper levels it feeds the red, too, which gives incentive to build toward it. Maybe you can add a passive to it, if you feel this makes him too weak, but if you leave his red and purple alone I have a feeling this build would still be top-tier. Also, if you add a passive then it can't be given as a team up.
LifeofAgony said: This isn’t a power creep issue. Peggy didn’t make the entire 4* tier irrelevant, just was a bigger better one. But it’s not like you couldn’t hit a Peggy team with a myriad of differnt teams, and you’d still have a high probability of victory.Gambit on the other hand has rendered 190+ toons as useless. A 450 gambit is scarier than a 550 panthos team. You’ve got better odds hitting that 550, and at worst, you’re still gonna last longer.I have 18 champ 5s, none of which happen to be the Cajun. Nothing I have gives me better than a coin flip odds of victory, and reasonably I’m not gonna win if it’s a Gambolt. #NerfGambitAlready
John Wayne74 said: I will likely get banned for this but oh well. Gambit is popular because people are inherently lazy. People with gambit talk about how he’s not that op. Fools talk. Why? Because you are blind to the fact that you are singularly speaking of gambit vs gambit. Test yourselves if you have the ability. Play without gambit. Try your best to beat him. Use your trick teams to do it. Once you do, watch how rapidly you get killed from the rest of the gambit world. I honestly don’t care anymore.He has truly ruined the game for me. I don’t have him even close to covered and honestly don’t want him. I don’t think that I should have to basically shelf my other 5*’s and only chase the one to play the game. I have 16 Champed 5*’s and cant hit 1.2 anymore. I get killed when I use teams that can take down gambit teams. Which all I can queue in pvp. When I change to (use to be strong) 5* teams when I can it’s too late.I am reading comments from people about releasing even more powerful counters to gambit. Is there a lack of education in the masses?? Gambit already made all other 5*’s completely useless. Now you want even stronger, faster, better one on top of him? That just furthers the power creep that destroys the ability to use the other 5*’s who came before that are already irrelevant. For those who hoarded at the right time and went crazy for gambit, they are having a field day with him. But in reality it made the entire almost 200 other characters in game useless and needless other than in required missions. Even if they boost classic 5*’s occasionally they will still be stopped by level 450 gambit teams. That’s boosted to 550+ and still stopped by a base level champed gambit. To me this is so laughable that lazy people that like their super fast guaranteed wins rule the masses and will continue to push the game towards even more classic killing metas by not admitting that the only reason they like him is he’s perfectly suited to their lazy ways.Gambit is a 6* with a 5* rating. Either call him what he is or dial him down to be on par with his supposed peers.