thedarkphoenix said: PenniesForEveryone said: madoctor said: sambrookjm said: Welcome Death said: Why do people keep saying Thanos was considered OP upon release? This is just not true. Thanos was considered garbage upon release. I remember that...Thanos was considered garbage mainly because his Court Death did more total damage to your own team than it did to the enemy team at LVLs 1-4, I believe. It switched back at LVL 5, but there was still a LOT of self-hurt from his Court Death ability. Once that got switched around, and that happened relatively quickly (much quicker than the length of time Gambit's been busted), he improved greatly. The one you are talking about who was changed was 3* thanos. We are talking about 5* Thanos whose numbers weren't changed.I see many forumites and users here posting who "threatened to quit the game" if the OML nerf wasn't reversed. If you don't get the sarcasm in their posts then I don't know what to say.Nerf Thanos and I'd be fine with Gambit nerf (Note - do not have have a Gambit but soon going to champ Thanos). Anyways this is moot since Gambit won't be getting a nerf. Thanos is anyways first in line. Some whale thinks Hawkeye is OP.Adapt and survive IMO. It's not about "surviving" it's about creating a unique and diverse gaming experience for everyone. When you just about HAVE to have Gambit to counter Gambit the meta gets old and tired REALLY quickly. We've spent years building diverse 5* rosters only to have most of them sent off to pasture in favor of the one new OP character that is all but required to successfully compete at the highest level. What is this Diverse 5 list that is getting played? At the highest level are more characters viable in pvp? In pve the fast clearing team will always be played for optimization. But in pvp the only thing I was seeing before gambit was blackbolt and some variation of these two thanos/panther hawkeye/coluson teams.Like I've said before since gambit dropped I've seen gambit+ an array of characters. Yes gambit is the common factor but its still way more varied than it was before he dropped. So i'm confused, because it beginning to sound like gambit is actually only a problem for the tip top upper echelon of players with maxed or high level 5's.
PenniesForEveryone said: madoctor said: sambrookjm said: Welcome Death said: Why do people keep saying Thanos was considered OP upon release? This is just not true. Thanos was considered garbage upon release. I remember that...Thanos was considered garbage mainly because his Court Death did more total damage to your own team than it did to the enemy team at LVLs 1-4, I believe. It switched back at LVL 5, but there was still a LOT of self-hurt from his Court Death ability. Once that got switched around, and that happened relatively quickly (much quicker than the length of time Gambit's been busted), he improved greatly. The one you are talking about who was changed was 3* thanos. We are talking about 5* Thanos whose numbers weren't changed.I see many forumites and users here posting who "threatened to quit the game" if the OML nerf wasn't reversed. If you don't get the sarcasm in their posts then I don't know what to say.Nerf Thanos and I'd be fine with Gambit nerf (Note - do not have have a Gambit but soon going to champ Thanos). Anyways this is moot since Gambit won't be getting a nerf. Thanos is anyways first in line. Some whale thinks Hawkeye is OP.Adapt and survive IMO. It's not about "surviving" it's about creating a unique and diverse gaming experience for everyone. When you just about HAVE to have Gambit to counter Gambit the meta gets old and tired REALLY quickly. We've spent years building diverse 5* rosters only to have most of them sent off to pasture in favor of the one new OP character that is all but required to successfully compete at the highest level. What is this Diverse 5 list that is getting played? At the highest level are more characters viable in pvp? In pve the fast clearing team will always be played for optimization. But in pvp the only thing I was seeing before gambit was blackbolt and some variation of these two thanos/panther hawkeye/coluson teams.Like I've said before since gambit dropped I've seen gambit+ an array of characters. Yes gambit is the common factor but its still way more varied than it was before he dropped. So i'm confused, because it beginning to sound like gambit is actually only a problem for the tip top upper echelon of players with maxed or high level 5's.
PenniesForEveryone said: madoctor said: sambrookjm said: Welcome Death said: Why do people keep saying Thanos was considered OP upon release? This is just not true. Thanos was considered garbage upon release. I remember that...Thanos was considered garbage mainly because his Court Death did more total damage to your own team than it did to the enemy team at LVLs 1-4, I believe. It switched back at LVL 5, but there was still a LOT of self-hurt from his Court Death ability. Once that got switched around, and that happened relatively quickly (much quicker than the length of time Gambit's been busted), he improved greatly. The one you are talking about who was changed was 3* thanos. We are talking about 5* Thanos whose numbers weren't changed.I see many forumites and users here posting who "threatened to quit the game" if the OML nerf wasn't reversed. If you don't get the sarcasm in their posts then I don't know what to say.Nerf Thanos and I'd be fine with Gambit nerf (Note - do not have have a Gambit but soon going to champ Thanos). Anyways this is moot since Gambit won't be getting a nerf. Thanos is anyways first in line. Some whale thinks Hawkeye is OP.Adapt and survive IMO. It's not about "surviving" it's about creating a unique and diverse gaming experience for everyone. When you just about HAVE to have Gambit to counter Gambit the meta gets old and tired REALLY quickly. We've spent years building diverse 5* rosters only to have most of them sent off to pasture in favor of the one new OP character that is all but required to successfully compete at the highest level.
madoctor said: sambrookjm said: Welcome Death said: Why do people keep saying Thanos was considered OP upon release? This is just not true. Thanos was considered garbage upon release. I remember that...Thanos was considered garbage mainly because his Court Death did more total damage to your own team than it did to the enemy team at LVLs 1-4, I believe. It switched back at LVL 5, but there was still a LOT of self-hurt from his Court Death ability. Once that got switched around, and that happened relatively quickly (much quicker than the length of time Gambit's been busted), he improved greatly. The one you are talking about who was changed was 3* thanos. We are talking about 5* Thanos whose numbers weren't changed.I see many forumites and users here posting who "threatened to quit the game" if the OML nerf wasn't reversed. If you don't get the sarcasm in their posts then I don't know what to say.Nerf Thanos and I'd be fine with Gambit nerf (Note - do not have have a Gambit but soon going to champ Thanos). Anyways this is moot since Gambit won't be getting a nerf. Thanos is anyways first in line. Some whale thinks Hawkeye is OP.Adapt and survive IMO.
sambrookjm said: Welcome Death said: Why do people keep saying Thanos was considered OP upon release? This is just not true. Thanos was considered garbage upon release. I remember that...Thanos was considered garbage mainly because his Court Death did more total damage to your own team than it did to the enemy team at LVLs 1-4, I believe. It switched back at LVL 5, but there was still a LOT of self-hurt from his Court Death ability. Once that got switched around, and that happened relatively quickly (much quicker than the length of time Gambit's been busted), he improved greatly.
Welcome Death said: Why do people keep saying Thanos was considered OP upon release? This is just not true. Thanos was considered garbage upon release.
Why do people keep saying Thanos was considered OP upon release? This is just not true. Thanos was considered garbage upon release.
j0nats said: thedarkphoenix said: PenniesForEveryone said: madoctor said: sambrookjm said: Welcome Death said: Why do people keep saying Thanos was considered OP upon release? This is just not true. Thanos was considered garbage upon release. I remember that...Thanos was considered garbage mainly because his Court Death did more total damage to your own team than it did to the enemy team at LVLs 1-4, I believe. It switched back at LVL 5, but there was still a LOT of self-hurt from his Court Death ability. Once that got switched around, and that happened relatively quickly (much quicker than the length of time Gambit's been busted), he improved greatly. The one you are talking about who was changed was 3* thanos. We are talking about 5* Thanos whose numbers weren't changed.I see many forumites and users here posting who "threatened to quit the game" if the OML nerf wasn't reversed. If you don't get the sarcasm in their posts then I don't know what to say.Nerf Thanos and I'd be fine with Gambit nerf (Note - do not have have a Gambit but soon going to champ Thanos). Anyways this is moot since Gambit won't be getting a nerf. Thanos is anyways first in line. Some whale thinks Hawkeye is OP.Adapt and survive IMO. It's not about "surviving" it's about creating a unique and diverse gaming experience for everyone. When you just about HAVE to have Gambit to counter Gambit the meta gets old and tired REALLY quickly. We've spent years building diverse 5* rosters only to have most of them sent off to pasture in favor of the one new OP character that is all but required to successfully compete at the highest level. What is this Diverse 5 list that is getting played? At the highest level are more characters viable in pvp? In pve the fast clearing team will always be played for optimization. But in pvp the only thing I was seeing before gambit was blackbolt and some variation of these two thanos/panther hawkeye/coluson teams.Like I've said before since gambit dropped I've seen gambit+ an array of characters. Yes gambit is the common factor but its still way more varied than it was before he dropped. So i'm confused, because it beginning to sound like gambit is actually only a problem for the tip top upper echelon of players with maxed or high level 5's. yay... someone who also sees the thanos problem. okay gambit is OP for PVP. but so is thanos for PVE. nigh impossible to top pve without champ panthos.also prior to the gambit wall from 700 in PVP, it was a Panthos/bolthos wall.if d3 wants to solve the imbalance problem, it has to be a wholisic approach as just nerfing gambit will only bring panthos/bolthos back to the fore.
Welcome Death said: j0nats said: thedarkphoenix said: PenniesForEveryone said: madoctor said: sambrookjm said: Welcome Death said: Why do people keep saying Thanos was considered OP upon release? This is just not true. Thanos was considered garbage upon release. I remember that...Thanos was considered garbage mainly because his Court Death did more total damage to your own team than it did to the enemy team at LVLs 1-4, I believe. It switched back at LVL 5, but there was still a LOT of self-hurt from his Court Death ability. Once that got switched around, and that happened relatively quickly (much quicker than the length of time Gambit's been busted), he improved greatly. The one you are talking about who was changed was 3* thanos. We are talking about 5* Thanos whose numbers weren't changed.I see many forumites and users here posting who "threatened to quit the game" if the OML nerf wasn't reversed. If you don't get the sarcasm in their posts then I don't know what to say.Nerf Thanos and I'd be fine with Gambit nerf (Note - do not have have a Gambit but soon going to champ Thanos). Anyways this is moot since Gambit won't be getting a nerf. Thanos is anyways first in line. Some whale thinks Hawkeye is OP.Adapt and survive IMO. It's not about "surviving" it's about creating a unique and diverse gaming experience for everyone. When you just about HAVE to have Gambit to counter Gambit the meta gets old and tired REALLY quickly. We've spent years building diverse 5* rosters only to have most of them sent off to pasture in favor of the one new OP character that is all but required to successfully compete at the highest level. What is this Diverse 5 list that is getting played? At the highest level are more characters viable in pvp? In pve the fast clearing team will always be played for optimization. But in pvp the only thing I was seeing before gambit was blackbolt and some variation of these two thanos/panther hawkeye/coluson teams.Like I've said before since gambit dropped I've seen gambit+ an array of characters. Yes gambit is the common factor but its still way more varied than it was before he dropped. So i'm confused, because it beginning to sound like gambit is actually only a problem for the tip top upper echelon of players with maxed or high level 5's. yay... someone who also sees the thanos problem. okay gambit is OP for PVP. but so is thanos for PVE. nigh impossible to top pve without champ panthos.also prior to the gambit wall from 700 in PVP, it was a Panthos/bolthos wall.if d3 wants to solve the imbalance problem, it has to be a wholisic approach as just nerfing gambit will only bring panthos/bolthos back to the fore. That was a different type of wall. You could hit those teams with whoever from the 5* tier with very high degrees of success. Not the same with gambolt. Pve with thanos? Sure, I guess, but not as much in cl9 I don't think.
j0nats said: Welcome Death said: j0nats said: thedarkphoenix said: PenniesForEveryone said: madoctor said: sambrookjm said: Welcome Death said: Why do people keep saying Thanos was considered OP upon release? This is just not true. Thanos was considered garbage upon release. I remember that...Thanos was considered garbage mainly because his Court Death did more total damage to your own team than it did to the enemy team at LVLs 1-4, I believe. It switched back at LVL 5, but there was still a LOT of self-hurt from his Court Death ability. Once that got switched around, and that happened relatively quickly (much quicker than the length of time Gambit's been busted), he improved greatly. The one you are talking about who was changed was 3* thanos. We are talking about 5* Thanos whose numbers weren't changed.I see many forumites and users here posting who "threatened to quit the game" if the OML nerf wasn't reversed. If you don't get the sarcasm in their posts then I don't know what to say.Nerf Thanos and I'd be fine with Gambit nerf (Note - do not have have a Gambit but soon going to champ Thanos). Anyways this is moot since Gambit won't be getting a nerf. Thanos is anyways first in line. Some whale thinks Hawkeye is OP.Adapt and survive IMO. It's not about "surviving" it's about creating a unique and diverse gaming experience for everyone. When you just about HAVE to have Gambit to counter Gambit the meta gets old and tired REALLY quickly. We've spent years building diverse 5* rosters only to have most of them sent off to pasture in favor of the one new OP character that is all but required to successfully compete at the highest level. What is this Diverse 5 list that is getting played? At the highest level are more characters viable in pvp? In pve the fast clearing team will always be played for optimization. But in pvp the only thing I was seeing before gambit was blackbolt and some variation of these two thanos/panther hawkeye/coluson teams.Like I've said before since gambit dropped I've seen gambit+ an array of characters. Yes gambit is the common factor but its still way more varied than it was before he dropped. So i'm confused, because it beginning to sound like gambit is actually only a problem for the tip top upper echelon of players with maxed or high level 5's. yay... someone who also sees the thanos problem. okay gambit is OP for PVP. but so is thanos for PVE. nigh impossible to top pve without champ panthos.also prior to the gambit wall from 700 in PVP, it was a Panthos/bolthos wall.if d3 wants to solve the imbalance problem, it has to be a wholisic approach as just nerfing gambit will only bring panthos/bolthos back to the fore. That was a different type of wall. You could hit those teams with whoever from the 5* tier with very high degrees of success. Not the same with gambolt. Pve with thanos? Sure, I guess, but not as much in cl9 I don't think. same in cl9.. sure maybe u couldnt speed finish 5e node with thanos in cl9. still faster with him on board to clear the other nodes. point is prior to gambit... if you were to get the stats on most used toon for people w thanos is thanos..the top people on pvp and pve leaderboards are all thanos users. in pvp no way my surfer phoenix oml and im46 can compete without the kindeness of the shield check community, the top and frontrunners of which all thanos users (prior to gambit)
My Gambit is up to 10 covers (4/3/3) and soft-capped at 405. I've been bringing him out in the KK with Hawkeye from time to time. I utterly destroyed a Panthos team - I didn't get particularly lucky with my matches, but I didn't get particularly unlucky either.
Just throwing that out there.
aesthetocyst said: Earlier (about 2wks ago) I posted about Gambit being near omnipresent in my queue in Sim, and noted that when I got to near 2000, I could only q Gambit teams.I left my squad (10-cover lvl 405 Gambit and 5trangeBolt) floating. After 2wks, it had been beaten all the way down to ... 1650.IME, in previous season, a 5* team floats around 1100-1200.I wanted to push back up to 2000 and shield out for season end and it was hell. Gambit everywhere. Expensive, matches that are basically coin flips, thanks to having self-accelerating laser cannons on both sides. Board luck ruling supreme.
So if we are opting to be this completely lazy. I say we do this. Make a new Thanos. Court death fires as soon as it’s his turn for 200k AoE. Then to have a counter to that. Put AP boosts back to two years ago where you could boost x3, before they reduced it to 2x. Then people can bring ice to instantly stun him first. Now this will matter little on defense cause someone else will use this new Thanos and instantly kill your team.
This seems to be what people want. Super fast, no though matches, with little to no effort at all.
Should we @brigby on this one. To make sure it gets back to the developers so they can get to work on it?
Why not. Let’s just put the entire game on auto-pilot. Well as long as you are lucky enough to hoard at the right time and get this new shinny. Don’t care if you have all the other 5*’s pumped up to 550. Just throw those aside and only use this till the game dies.
Doesn’t that sound perfect??
[Mod edit: removed insult to other forum members. -Dayv]