sambrookjm said: fight4thedream said: And to complete the chain, who better to be scissors than Hela? Give her crazy strike tiles that would make R&G's look like plastic kitchen knives, an anti-Silent King active ability that disables the powers of a selected enemy character for a set number of turns with a de-motivation tile, and a nuke ability that increases in power for every friendly tile on the board. You've just quasi-combined Cloak and Dagger and 4-star Star-Lord.
fight4thedream said: And to complete the chain, who better to be scissors than Hela? Give her crazy strike tiles that would make R&G's look like plastic kitchen knives, an anti-Silent King active ability that disables the powers of a selected enemy character for a set number of turns with a de-motivation tile, and a nuke ability that increases in power for every friendly tile on the board.
aesthetocyst said: thedarkphoenix said: This happens with every strong character, and then months down the line people forget why there were complaining. If they would have nerfed everyone that got nerf threads just his year we'd have RocketCarolMedusaHawkeyeThanospantherand more nerfed. Still playing dumb, now resorting to "this too shall pass," that last refuge of MPQ scoundrels.Not a single equivalence to Gambit on your list.The first four you list are situational.Thanos needs some limitation on his courting; he should do his own triggering, a la 3BE, other than that he's fine.Panther? Whoever called Panther on his own OP?
thedarkphoenix said: This happens with every strong character, and then months down the line people forget why there were complaining. If they would have nerfed everyone that got nerf threads just his year we'd have RocketCarolMedusaHawkeyeThanospantherand more nerfed.
Gambit is the meta for now, and while he's annoying I've seen more variety in teams since he's dropped than before he was here which is a breath of fresh air. Yes the end all be all is gambit/bolt but gambit and different builds of gambits have allowed a lot of creative teams that include him to pop up and be played. He doesn't break the game, but he's really really good.
thedarkphoenix said:Gambit is the meta for now, and while he's annoying I've seen more variety in teams since he's dropped than before he was here which is a breath of fresh air. Yes the end all be all is gambit/bolt but gambit and different builds of gambits have allowed a lot of creative teams that include him to pop up and be played. He doesn't break the game, but he's really really good.
LifeofAgony said: Gambit is the meta for now, and while he's annoying I've seen more variety in teams since he's dropped than before he was here which is a breath of fresh air. Yes the end all be all is gambit/bolt but gambit and different builds of gambits have allowed a lot of creative teams that include him to pop up and be played. He doesn't break the game, but he's really really good. No - unconditional ap gen at that level breaks the game: it’s why the devs changed the way goons gen ap in pve.Its gamebreaking. Cool hopefully they just change that ability and we will see if gambit is still "OP" I feel like a lot of people are going to be in for a rude awaking. Sm0keyJ0e said: thedarkphoenix said:Gambit is the meta for now, and while he's annoying I've seen more variety in teams since he's dropped than before he was here which is a breath of fresh air. Yes the end all be all is gambit/bolt but gambit and different builds of gambits have allowed a lot of creative teams that include him to pop up and be played. He doesn't break the game, but he's really really good. You haven't seen more variety, you've seen Gambit and whoever their next best toon is. That simple. I have no idea what your roster looks like, but where I play, if you have Gambit, you're using Gambit. That is not variety--that is a new toon that you HAVE to use to play competitively or you get your face smashed in by someone else using Gambit. How is that ANY different from any other top tier team? I'll tell you, gambit is that strong, like you said you play him or you lose to him, but he's strong enough to were anyone else you put with him he can support or make viable. So yes, I've seen various other characters that are used now, yes gambit is a staple, but its still more varied than before gambit. When it w was almost exclusively thanos and panther. Now I see bolt and gambit or gambit and random 4's or 5 pretty regularly.
LifeofAgony said: Gambit is the meta for now, and while he's annoying I've seen more variety in teams since he's dropped than before he was here which is a breath of fresh air. Yes the end all be all is gambit/bolt but gambit and different builds of gambits have allowed a lot of creative teams that include him to pop up and be played. He doesn't break the game, but he's really really good. No - unconditional ap gen at that level breaks the game: it’s why the devs changed the way goons gen ap in pve.Its gamebreaking.
thedarkphoenix said:Gambit is the meta for now, and while he's annoying I've seen more variety in teams since he's dropped than before he was here which is a breath of fresh air. Yes the end all be all is gambit/bolt but gambit and different builds of gambits have allowed a lot of creative teams that include him to pop up and be played. He doesn't break the game, but he's really really good. You haven't seen more variety, you've seen Gambit and whoever their next best toon is. That simple. I have no idea what your roster looks like, but where I play, if you have Gambit, you're using Gambit. That is not variety--that is a new toon that you HAVE to use to play competitively or you get your face smashed in by someone else using Gambit.
thedarkphoenix said: How is that ANY different from any other top tier team? I'll tell you, gambit is that strong, like you said you play him or you lose to him, but he's strong enough to were anyone else you put with him he can support or make viable.
Sm0keyJ0e said: thedarkphoenix said: How is that ANY different from any other top tier team? I'll tell you, gambit is that strong, like you said you play him or you lose to him, but he's strong enough to were anyone else you put with him he can support or make viable. It's VERY different. Ordinarily, you use your top leveled toons. When the balance is right, more champ covers = better toon. But I have seen folks literally using their 450-460 Gambit instead of their 500+ toons. I have three 5* greater than level 500 and I am forced to use GamBolt for the most part (neither of which is past 480). That doesn't make sense.And Gambit is not a support character and doesn't make anyone viable. He is an offensive juggernaut that generates his own AP and you simply blast away. He does nothing for any other toon unless you're running either version at 005.
Milk Jugz said: His black power needs to be changed, the unconditional auto ap generation is game breaking. My idea was to change it to an active power that costs 6 black and changes X number of red, purple, and black basic tiles to charged tiles. It feeds his other powers with ap still and feeds his red damage. You could get rid of the restriction on allies powers of the same color or leave it, doesn't much matter you're more likely to fire Gambits red and purple over any other except in niche cases (Thanos purple, for one). An alliance mate of mine suggested changing his black to an active power that places a X turn CD tile that does what it does now- generate ap. You still have his amazing ap generating ability, but not from turn 1 and the CD can be matched away to end the generation. You, also, need to collect black to even get generating.I think both ideas have more validity than the current form of his black power and he will still be one of the best characters in the game, if not still the best.
Sm0keyJ0e said:Change his black to cost 6ap and it generates two randomly charged red and purple tiles. Done. Denial is now possible when going against him, and he's still likely the best toon on offense and still has a means to speed up his red and purple production. The main problem now is the auto-AP generation. It's quite simply a broken mechanic and frankly, he should have never been released this way.
aesthetocyst said: CharlieCroker said: Didn't really pay attention to the different Gambit builds, but I have no doubt 4/4/5, 3/5/5 and 5/3/5 were all out there. Equally have no doubt that absolutely nobody (unless their 3 year old child took a turn) was running a build other than x/x/5.Quite simply Gambit IS game breaking for anyone that doesn't have him. And plenty of the veterans that do have him are well aware and freely admit he is OP. #nerfgambit I was running a 3/5/2 and that was plenty free AP enough.Even at half speed, the free AP is a broke joke.
CharlieCroker said: Didn't really pay attention to the different Gambit builds, but I have no doubt 4/4/5, 3/5/5 and 5/3/5 were all out there. Equally have no doubt that absolutely nobody (unless their 3 year old child took a turn) was running a build other than x/x/5.Quite simply Gambit IS game breaking for anyone that doesn't have him. And plenty of the veterans that do have him are well aware and freely admit he is OP. #nerfgambit
burrich said: So it looks like they will need to leave Gambit as he is for a number of months so that the OML nerf solution can be applied without causing too much anger and game quitting.
I'd like to add something here - there are those who have compared the people calling for a Gambit nerf to those calling for a Panthos nerf, etc.
Speaking for myself, I have literally never called for a nerf on the Forums. I've even defended not nerfing Wolverine X-Force on the forums - I admitted that while Goddess Thor was way over-powered compared to the other 4*s, Wolverine was simply the best. At this point, I think I was wrong - his black was ridiculously over-powered, though I do think they nerfed his green too hard. I honestly think that Gambit is the most over-powered character since the original iteration of Goddess Thor (I covered her way after her nerf, so I had no real opinion on her when she was ludicrous.) Possibly even more so. Gambit really stands head and shoulders over the rest of the 5* tier, and woe betide the person who does not cover him.