Time Gem Season Updates *Updated (10/19/17)

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  • tiomono
    tiomono Posts: 1,654 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited October 2017
    broll said:
    tiomono said:
    corytutor said:
    Available to all in the sense that all had a chance to obtain it. 

    If the cp is on the progression side, anyone who chooses to get it can do so. 
    A lot more people can hit x number of wins than can creep into t10. Its not rocket science. 
    But the chance for every player to get into top 10 is still there. So in that sense it's still available to all.
    ROFL!!  What?!  No it's not...  By default 10 people get T10 and another 490 cannot (assuming full bracket).  People can snipe, but only 10 per bracket would get the T10 sniping.  It's a mathematical impossibility for everyone to get T10 the way the game works.
    But it's possible for any player to compete. So any player could get it with proper play. Obviously not every player finishes top 10 but you can if you play it right. 
  • Spudgutter
    Spudgutter Posts: 743 Critical Contributor
    carrion pigeons said:
    Foolish and stupid are literally synonyms.  Not much secret about that.
    A lot of words are synonymous, that's why context is very important.

    If I'm super drunk at a bar and try to play darts, I'm being foolish.

    If I'm super drunk at a bar and try to drive home, I'm being stupid.
  • Vhailorx
    Vhailorx Posts: 6,085 Chairperson of the Boards
    fmftint said:
    The reason command points aren't in progression is simple,  they don't want EVERYONE to earn it. But saying that directly is bad PR so we get the spun version,  more players make T10 than 1200!

    High five
    Yeah, obviously.  That's why I have been trying to call out brigby on the absurdity of that spin for the past 24 hours.
  • broll
    broll Posts: 4,732 Chairperson of the Boards
    tiomono said:
    broll said:
    tiomono said:
    corytutor said:
    Available to all in the sense that all had a chance to obtain it. 

    If the cp is on the progression side, anyone who chooses to get it can do so. 
    A lot more people can hit x number of wins than can creep into t10. Its not rocket science. 
    But the chance for every player to get into top 10 is still there. So in that sense it's still available to all.
    ROFL!!  What?!  No it's not...  By default 10 people get T10 and another 490 cannot (assuming full bracket).  People can snipe, but only 10 per bracket would get the T10 sniping.  It's a mathematical impossibility for everyone to get T10 the way the game works.
    But it's possible for any player to compete. So any player could get it with proper play. Obviously not every player finishes top 10 but you can if you play it right. 
    So if 12 people do 'proper play' they all get it?  No... say 40 top tier 5* players all end up in the same bracket.  Play as 'proper' as they want, only 10 of them are getting that regardless if they all go up to 300,000 points.  That's the complaint.  It's not invalid either.
  • tiomono
    tiomono Posts: 1,654 Chairperson of the Boards
    broll said:
    tiomono said:
    broll said:
    tiomono said:
    corytutor said:
    Available to all in the sense that all had a chance to obtain it. 

    If the cp is on the progression side, anyone who chooses to get it can do so. 
    A lot more people can hit x number of wins than can creep into t10. Its not rocket science. 
    But the chance for every player to get into top 10 is still there. So in that sense it's still available to all.
    ROFL!!  What?!  No it's not...  By default 10 people get T10 and another 490 cannot (assuming full bracket).  People can snipe, but only 10 per bracket would get the T10 sniping.  It's a mathematical impossibility for everyone to get T10 the way the game works.
    But it's possible for any player to compete. So any player could get it with proper play. Obviously not every player finishes top 10 but you can if you play it right. 
    So if 12 people do 'proper play' they all get it?  No... say 40 top tier 5* players all end up in the same bracket.  Play as 'proper' as they want, only 10 of them are getting that regardless if they all go up to 300,000 points.  That's the complaint.  It's not invalid either.
    At the start of a marathon do they tell everyone don't bother racing only 10% can finish in the top 10? Every competitor has the chance to finish in a high placement. It comes down to how bad do you want it.
  • Vhailorx
    Vhailorx Posts: 6,085 Chairperson of the Boards
    Spudgutter said:
    carrion pigeons said:
    Foolish and stupid are literally synonyms.  Not much secret about that.
    A lot of words are synonymous, that's why context is very important.

    If I'm super drunk at a bar and try to play darts, I'm being foolish.

    If I'm super drunk at a bar and try to drive home, I'm being stupid.
    I am pretty sure that playing darts while super drunk is darts working as intended. . .

    But to split some more hairs.  I didn't say you are stupid or foolish spud.  I said that anyone who took demi/d3's marketing spin at face value (maybe you?) is doing a foolish (or stupid) thing.  It's a small difference, but significant in context IMO.  it's the difference between attacking someone personally and criticizing the arguments or positions that someone is taking. 
  • Vhailorx
    Vhailorx Posts: 6,085 Chairperson of the Boards
    tiomono said:
    broll said:
    tiomono said:
    broll said:
    tiomono said:
    corytutor said:
    Available to all in the sense that all had a chance to obtain it. 

    If the cp is on the progression side, anyone who chooses to get it can do so. 
    A lot more people can hit x number of wins than can creep into t10. Its not rocket science. 
    But the chance for every player to get into top 10 is still there. So in that sense it's still available to all.
    ROFL!!  What?!  No it's not...  By default 10 people get T10 and another 490 cannot (assuming full bracket).  People can snipe, but only 10 per bracket would get the T10 sniping.  It's a mathematical impossibility for everyone to get T10 the way the game works.
    But it's possible for any player to compete. So any player could get it with proper play. Obviously not every player finishes top 10 but you can if you play it right. 
    So if 12 people do 'proper play' they all get it?  No... say 40 top tier 5* players all end up in the same bracket.  Play as 'proper' as they want, only 10 of them are getting that regardless if they all go up to 300,000 points.  That's the complaint.  It's not invalid either.
    At the start of a marathon do they tell everyone don't bother racing only 10% can finish in the top 10? Every competitor has the chance to finish in a high placement. It comes down to how bad do you want it.
    It's the difference between saying that every runner in a 500 person marathan has a chance to:

    (1) finish in the top 10, or
    (2) finish in less than 2:30.

    #1 is absolutely impossible.  #2 is very unlikely because running a marathon that fast is hard.  But individual ability is the limiting factor, not basic arithmetic.
  • broll
    broll Posts: 4,732 Chairperson of the Boards
    tiomono said:
    broll said:
    tiomono said:
    broll said:
    tiomono said:
    corytutor said:
    Available to all in the sense that all had a chance to obtain it. 

    If the cp is on the progression side, anyone who chooses to get it can do so. 
    A lot more people can hit x number of wins than can creep into t10. Its not rocket science. 
    But the chance for every player to get into top 10 is still there. So in that sense it's still available to all.
    ROFL!!  What?!  No it's not...  By default 10 people get T10 and another 490 cannot (assuming full bracket).  People can snipe, but only 10 per bracket would get the T10 sniping.  It's a mathematical impossibility for everyone to get T10 the way the game works.
    But it's possible for any player to compete. So any player could get it with proper play. Obviously not every player finishes top 10 but you can if you play it right. 
    So if 12 people do 'proper play' they all get it?  No... say 40 top tier 5* players all end up in the same bracket.  Play as 'proper' as they want, only 10 of them are getting that regardless if they all go up to 300,000 points.  That's the complaint.  It's not invalid either.
    At the start of a marathon do they tell everyone don't bother racing only 10% can finish in the top 10? Every competitor has the chance to finish in a high placement. It comes down to how bad do you want it.
    Prefect example.  Say the 15 CP was a trophy you got for finishing the race (even if you were dead last).  It was technically possible for all 500 players to get it (but practically impossible for most).  Now it's a placement reward that only 10 people per bracket can get.  It's literally impossible for more than 10 people to get instead of practically impossible.  

    In reality the toughest brackets some people who would have got it 1200 will miss out.  In the easiest brackets more people will get it.  It's a very odd change and IMO it's totally reasonable to be upset about it.  While I'm all for the win based change they tinykitty the pooch on this aspect of it.
  • Daredevil217
    Daredevil217 Posts: 4,018 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited October 2017
    tiomono said:
    broll said:
    tiomono said:
    broll said:
    tiomono said:
    corytutor said:
    Available to all in the sense that all had a chance to obtain it. 

    If the cp is on the progression side, anyone who chooses to get it can do so. 
    A lot more people can hit x number of wins than can creep into t10. Its not rocket science. 
    But the chance for every player to get into top 10 is still there. So in that sense it's still available to all.
    ROFL!!  What?!  No it's not...  By default 10 people get T10 and another 490 cannot (assuming full bracket).  People can snipe, but only 10 per bracket would get the T10 sniping.  It's a mathematical impossibility for everyone to get T10 the way the game works.
    But it's possible for any player to compete. So any player could get it with proper play. Obviously not every player finishes top 10 but you can if you play it right. 
    So if 12 people do 'proper play' they all get it?  No... say 40 top tier 5* players all end up in the same bracket.  Play as 'proper' as they want, only 10 of them are getting that regardless if they all go up to 300,000 points.  That's the complaint.  It's not invalid either.
    At the start of a marathon do they tell everyone don't bother racing only 10% can finish in the top 10? Every competitor has the chance to finish in a high placement. It comes down to how bad do you want it.
    This is a great post.

    I agree wholeheartedly that saying everyone can reach 1200 points regardless of roster is ummm... silly.  Yeah, let's say silly.  Though if someone wants to start a brand new account, hit 1200 in Black Vortex and prove me wrong I'll happily eat my words.  It is not possible for everyone to reach 1200 or finish top 10, but it is possible for anyone to reach top 10 (not anyone can reach 1200).

    If you want to say with time (years perhaps), proper resources, adequate strategy, and roster development, anyone can reach 1200 I'll agree with you.
  • Spudgutter
    Spudgutter Posts: 743 Critical Contributor
    corytutor said:
    Anyone who thinks removong a reward accessible to all, and only makes it available to the top 2 % and says its for everyone's benefit is either a liar, stupid, or both. 
    Quote number one, I didnt even want to dignify it with a response

    Vhailorx said:

    corytutor said:


    Anyone who thinks removong a reward accessible to all, and only makes it available to the top 2 % and says its for everyone's benefit is either a liar, stupid, or both. 
    I agree with much of the content of this post, though the tone is a bit more conspiratorial than I think is useful. 

    But the last parahraph is wrong.  

    Quote 2.  I am not taking what they said at face value, foolish or not.  I'm saying I can understand the reasoning we are coming up with on our own.  We are all free to disagree on how we come to our conclusion, and what that conclusion is, but to just say that anyone that does not agree with you must be a liar or stupid has no place in a respectable discussion.
  • broll
    broll Posts: 4,732 Chairperson of the Boards
    Daredevil217 said:
    tiomono said:
    broll said:
    tiomono said:
    broll said:
    tiomono said:
    corytutor said:
    Available to all in the sense that all had a chance to obtain it. 

    If the cp is on the progression side, anyone who chooses to get it can do so. 
    A lot more people can hit x number of wins than can creep into t10. Its not rocket science. 
    But the chance for every player to get into top 10 is still there. So in that sense it's still available to all.
    ROFL!!  What?!  No it's not...  By default 10 people get T10 and another 490 cannot (assuming full bracket).  People can snipe, but only 10 per bracket would get the T10 sniping.  It's a mathematical impossibility for everyone to get T10 the way the game works.
    But it's possible for any player to compete. So any player could get it with proper play. Obviously not every player finishes top 10 but you can if you play it right. 
    So if 12 people do 'proper play' they all get it?  No... say 40 top tier 5* players all end up in the same bracket.  Play as 'proper' as they want, only 10 of them are getting that regardless if they all go up to 300,000 points.  That's the complaint.  It's not invalid either.
    At the start of a marathon do they tell everyone don't bother racing only 10% can finish in the top 10? Every competitor has the chance to finish in a high placement. It comes down to how bad do you want it.
    This is a great post.

    I agree wholeheartedly that saying everyone can reach 1200 points regardless of roster is ummm... silly.  Yeah, let's say silly.  Though if someone wants to start a brand new account, hit 1200 in Black Vortex and prove me wrong I'll happily eat my words.  It is not possible for everyone to reach 1200 or finish top 10, but it is possible for anyone to reach top 10 (not anyone can reach 1200).

    If you want to say with time (years perhaps), proper resources, adequate strategy, and roster development, anyone can reach 1200 I'll agree with you.
    Let me know how well getting T10 in SCL5 or up goes with your new account example....
  • larzilla
    larzilla Posts: 16 Just Dropped In
    edited October 2017
    Brigby said:
    Hi Everyone. I'm sorry I was only able to post this information late in the evening. I'll be sure to be in this thread tomorrow morning (9am PDT), but if you have any questions or comments then please post them below and I will be sure to answer them then. 

    Thank you for understanding!
    @Brigby that was two days ago ....still waiting! 
  • The rockett
    The rockett Posts: 2,016 Chairperson of the Boards
    Only 6 hours to go until the season starts. No data. People wonder why the vets get up in arms when changes happen. Well please see example 125, oh wait.  Sorry. That is the shield rank some of us are at that we still didn't get info on.  Glad the win pvp was so much more important than an issue that was brought up for months now.  
  • corytutor
    corytutor Posts: 414 Mover and Shaker
    Spudgutter said:
    corytutor said:
    Anyone who thinks removong a reward accessible to all, and only makes it available to the top 2 % and says its for everyone's benefit is either a liar, stupid, or both. 
    Quote number one, I didnt even want to dignify it with a response

    Vhailorx said:

    corytutor said:


    Anyone who thinks removong a reward accessible to all, and only makes it available to the top 2 % and says its for everyone's benefit is either a liar, stupid, or both. 
    I agree with much of the content of this post, though the tone is a bit more conspiratorial than I think is useful. 

    But the last parahraph is wrong.  

    Quote 2.  I am not taking what they said at face value, foolish or not.  I'm saying I can understand the reasoning we are coming up with on our own.  We are all free to disagree on how we come to our conclusion, and what that conclusion is, but to just say that anyone that does not agree with you must be a liar or stupid has no place in a respectable discussion.
    Actually, and perhaps i should have clarified more,  that was actually in response to the dev stance that moving cp to placement helps more people. It was directed at them. Sorry about your feels but typically if i were to call you stupid, id tag you so you know i think you're stupid. 


  • mega ghost
    mega ghost Posts: 1,156 Chairperson of the Boards
    The fact that I can't even see the upcoming season or System Reboot in-game yet is making me wonder if they've delayed the push because they're fine-tuning it up until the wire, either because a) they're responding to some feedback or b) they rushed this change and didn't have time to implement or message it properly.

    I'm hoping on a) but based on how this is unfolding it's probably b). 
  • corytutor
    corytutor Posts: 414 Mover and Shaker
    edited October 2017
    As for not wanting to dignify things with responses, for someone too dignified to respond you've only mentioned it a handful of times already while the conversation has moved on. If anything you appear eager to address it. Repeatedly. 
  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards
    mega ghost said:
    The fact that I can't even see the upcoming season or System Reboot in-game yet is making me wonder if they've delayed the push because they're fine-tuning it up until the wire, either because a) they're responding to some feedback or b) they rushed this change and didn't have time to implement or message it properly.

    I'm hoping on a) but based on how this is unfolding it's probably b). 
    Neither.
    Season preview always goes live in a few hours from now.
  • astrp3
    astrp3 Posts: 367 Mover and Shaker
    mega ghost said:
    The fact that I can't even see the upcoming season or System Reboot in-game yet is making me wonder if they've delayed the push because they're fine-tuning it up until the wire, either because a) they're responding to some feedback or b) they rushed this change and didn't have time to implement or message it properly.

    I'm hoping on a) but based on how this is unfolding it's probably b). 

    I thought that the new season and System Reboot didn't appear until the first PvP started, which isn't until 7 PM central tonight. That's when I'm expecting them to appear.
  • mega ghost
    mega ghost Posts: 1,156 Chairperson of the Boards
    Bowgentle said:
    mega ghost said:
    The fact that I can't even see the upcoming season or System Reboot in-game yet is making me wonder if they've delayed the push because they're fine-tuning it up until the wire, either because a) they're responding to some feedback or b) they rushed this change and didn't have time to implement or message it properly.

    I'm hoping on a) but based on how this is unfolding it's probably b). 
    Neither.
    Season preview always goes live in a few hours from now.
    But doesn't the new season start today? For some reason I had it in my head that you could see the season preview the day before it begins.

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