PenniesForEveryone said: Crnch73 said: I didn’t say buff everyone. And I’m ok with rebalancing gambit as well. But most people aren’t saying a gentle rebalance, they want a nerf. Take away his AP gen, then you hafta make something do more damagemake his red less powerful or not gather AP, then purple needs to be deadlier. No matter what, there will always be people saying the most powerful character of any tier is just not fun to play against. If the majority of people on this forum weren’t playing with 5s, I bet C4rol would be a hot button topic. Someone’s gotta be the best character in the 5s, he just needs some tweaks but it sounds like people want him dead. I liked the idea of saying he could do damage if there were less than X charged tiles on the board, and then create Y amount of charged tiles. Maybe Divide X by however many charged tiles are on the board. Maybe make it cost more AP, remove the AP destruction. But then purple would have to make more tiles or be worth more damage. There’s no easy answer, but most sound irrational. Come up with a good change other than “eliminate all his powers” I don't know how you can completely miss the point after 27 pages. It's not that Gambit is the best, and annoying to fight, it's that he's at least a full tier above every other character in the game. You used to be able to champ any two 5s and be competitive in the 5* tier, with Gambit it's much MUCH harder. You used to be able to use some of your high level boosted champed 4*s to take down Panthos, or other 5* duos, with Gambit it's much MUCH harder.He has completely redefined the meta such that players that have Gambit are really a tier above those without.
Crnch73 said: I didn’t say buff everyone. And I’m ok with rebalancing gambit as well. But most people aren’t saying a gentle rebalance, they want a nerf. Take away his AP gen, then you hafta make something do more damagemake his red less powerful or not gather AP, then purple needs to be deadlier. No matter what, there will always be people saying the most powerful character of any tier is just not fun to play against. If the majority of people on this forum weren’t playing with 5s, I bet C4rol would be a hot button topic. Someone’s gotta be the best character in the 5s, he just needs some tweaks but it sounds like people want him dead. I liked the idea of saying he could do damage if there were less than X charged tiles on the board, and then create Y amount of charged tiles. Maybe Divide X by however many charged tiles are on the board. Maybe make it cost more AP, remove the AP destruction. But then purple would have to make more tiles or be worth more damage. There’s no easy answer, but most sound irrational. Come up with a good change other than “eliminate all his powers”
John Wayne74 said: 17 Champed 5*’s ranging from 470 Thanos to 451 SL.Missed 1.2 for the past 4-6 events. Lost track do to quit caring.Used 5/3/3 Level 420 Gambit. Hit 1.2 with minimal attacks, some blues, and pm shield checks (haven’t had those in forever not that I care about hits)But let’s keep arguing that he is perfectly fine how he is just cause he makes pvp super easy for all those who have him please. I will champ him most likely and I will most likely dislike him even more after.PVP matches are as followsme: ha I matched 3 redai: ha, I deleted two of your red and matched some purple.me: I deleted one of those purple and matched an insignificant color.(couple rounds later)ai: I just put out some cd tiles and deleted some more of your AP. Would you fire red already?me: I just delete some more of your AP and I overwrote your cd tiles with my own cd tiles. I am not gonna fire red until you fire red. So just get on with it would you please.(few rounds later after much red has been accumulated by both sides)aI: ha, I fired red and purple and deleted more of your ap.me: dumb move... fire red, fire red, fire red, fire red, fire purple.game over!invigorating, isn’t it?
Jonny1Punch said: Day 1550 veteran, always maintained a high drive to play well in events & support the game financially. I have always been vocal about what I love and don’t approve of in MPQ. Lately not only has the game felt completely broken due to gambit mainly but morale is at an all time low. Scores and activity in the game and LINE seem lower overall, many ppl like myself are floating around 575 in pvp and are too bored to even do full clears in pve. Hard to get excited about chasing any new covers because if it’s not Gambit it doesn’t matter.i used to feel good about spending now I can’t even buy $5 worth of HP without cringing. I don’t even feel angry anymore I’m more just feeling defeated that I’ve become so disinterested in what used to be one heck of a great game. I find it also extremely disheartening we ALL want this nerf for gambit so bad and other 5s buffed yet we are ignored w/ zero feedback
itstime1234 said: Jonny1Punch said: Day 1550 veteran, always maintained a high drive to play well in events & support the game financially. I have always been vocal about what I love and don’t approve of in MPQ. Lately not only has the game felt completely broken due to gambit mainly but morale is at an all time low. Scores and activity in the game and LINE seem lower overall, many ppl like myself are floating around 575 in pvp and are too bored to even do full clears in pve. Hard to get excited about chasing any new covers because if it’s not Gambit it doesn’t matter.i used to feel good about spending now I can’t even buy $5 worth of HP without cringing. I don’t even feel angry anymore I’m more just feeling defeated that I’ve become so disinterested in what used to be one heck of a great game. I find it also extremely disheartening we ALL want this nerf for gambit so bad and other 5s buffed yet we are ignored w/ zero feedback Haven't been on the boards much but did I miss something? You use to feel good about spending money on this game before gambit? Didn't you have that epically long anger thread after oml got nerfed and you said you regretted dumping thousands and thousands of dollars into this game?Are you still dumping crazy cash and feeling good? I'm lost. Last I recalled you threaten lawsuits?
OneLastGambit said: So A bunch of players who were winning 95% of the time are complaining? Sounds to me as though whatever team you were using to win 95% of matches needs nerfing.As for gambit this is no different than anytime the meta changes. I just think people are overreacting. Is it a problem ? Probably not. Each tier has its ubiquitous characters and teams. I'm fed up of seeing gamorusarocket in every match in sim. Should they be nerfed? Some characters are naturally more ubiquitous due to them having good synergy doesn't mean they need nerfing and honestly gambit isn't all that scary without a charge tile producer. He's tough no doubt but unbeatable? Nobody is. Having recently completed 2 x 5* and a third almost done I'll actually be moving up a tier so who knows maybe in a month I'll be singing the same song as everyone else and eating humble pie. Seems like devs can't win, when they make a good character he needs nerfing. When they make a bad one people moan. When they make an average one everyone sighs 'meh'
thedarkphoenix said: And then there are the "Gambit makes things so boring" guys, I need to use him to beat him. WHEN HAS THIS EVER NOT BEEN THE CASE. Maybe if you were at the tippy top you could beat the meta with a different team but most players had to fight the meta with the meta...hence it being meta.A couple months ago, Thanos and Panther were so OP and made clearing way to easy, today its not even a discussion. If the mass amount of people that got a hold of gambit wouldn't have I have a strong feeling that the cry's wouldn't be a loud from a "certain" crowd/group of players.
You ask "when has this ever not been the case." Honestly, it almost never has been the case. Before Gambit, the top of the meta was Panthos. The best team to beat Panthos is not Panthos, not even close. I generally fielded Surfer/Bolt against Panthos. Before Panthos... honestly I'm not sure what the top of the 5* meta was - it may have been Widow/Bolt (that's what I ran, but BW isn't great, to be honest,) it may have been Surfer/Bolt (a solid sustainable team, but only quick under limited circumstances, I didn't have Surfer until way after Panthos,) or it may have gone all the way back to OML/PHX. But honestly I could take down OML/PHX with Widow/Bolt, and I'm pretty sure those people playing OML/PHX had no real trouble with my team either. In general, good play was the key to winning a match - good characters were important, but you could definitely take down the top of the meta with the next level down. That's just plain not the case with Gambit. Sure, it's possible, but you're at a severe disadvantage.
Back before 4* and Boosted characters other than the Featured in PVP, Hood kind of occupied this niche, but he was so crunchy he wasn't that tough to take down. Sentry before his nerf, of course, was absolutely necessary for the top of the meta, but if you think he wasn't unbalanced then you won't think anyone is unbalanced. I didn't complete mine before his nerf, but even at 11 covers he was stupid powerful.
Regarding your other point - look, if you play at the 5* level getting the new character is just plain not that difficult so long as you keep drawing from Latest. Sure, Gambit was a perfect storm (a desirable 5* after two undesirable 5*s, so people had hoards,) but even so - I never hoarded and I champed mine about a week before Daredevil left Latest (so probably 7-8 weeks before Gambit does.) It's not because he's ubiquitous - all desirable characters become ubiquitous, he's just plain broken.
I'll say this again - they're going to nerf him (again,) sooner or later. It may take until next season, it may take months, it may even take a year, but he will be nerfed. The only questions are how long until it happens, and how hard they're going to nerf him.
thedarkphoenix said: ...The problem this time is almost EVERYONE managed to get a gambit and he disrupts the "hierarchy" of what it means to be a "top tier" player in the game. People don't like that gambit teams can challenge all there other teams. ...