broll said:My usable roster was knocked over a mugged by an army of Gambits a few weeks ago. This is the return of a usable roster.... If you can't beat em join em right?
This. Welcome back to the 5* tier. And that's the problem.
entrailbucket said: Show me one example from this game's history of a dominant character getting a counter that actually impacts the metagame. We're all still waiting on that Sentry/Hood counter. I'm not saying it's not possible for them to design an elegant, non-overpowered counter character, but if it hasn't happened once in 4+ years...While I'm at it, I feel like the word "nerf" is not being understood. Every change to a character is either a buff or a nerf. Buff means "make better," nerf means "make worse." Asking for a nerf does not mean "make this guy totally useless," it means "make this guy worse."
I completely agree with the first part. Counters are interesting and make the game better in general, I think, but they don't change the meta. Let alone the time it takes to cover them (and that's non-trivial unless you're willing to spend a ton of money,) unless they're top tier characters themselves, you're just plain not going to play them. Even if they're really good, it still doesn't change that much. One could argue Dr. Strange is a soft-counter to Gambit (he certainly is to Hawkeye,) but you don't see a lot of Strange teams out there -- you see some, but not a lot, and most of them have their own Gambit.
Regarding the second part, their history with nerfs has not been great. Sentry literally went from the top of the 3* bracket to the bottom. X-Force and Goddess Thor were also sent down to low tier. They've been doing better lately, and the incremental change to Gambit is a good sign that they won't overdo it. Still, I'll forgive anyone who expects the devs to be heavy handed in any nerf.
Honestly, if they leave his red and purple alone I suspect he'll be top tier no matter what they did with his black (unless his black was something like "lose 1 red and purple a turn.") I think his purple is pretty expensive without his AP gain (my Gambit had like 1 black for one PVE,) but it's still incredibly versatile so that's probably fine. That may mean that his red may need a nerf too, but I'm not 100% convinced of that...
tiomono said: My thought on him is just make his purple and red more random. His purple could still overwrite specials but it will not prioritise them. Same with red. It still creates 2 charged tiles but will not prioritise popping those first but still could. So that his damage on red is a bit less reliable but the more the board is flooded with charged tiles the more dangerous he is.
Bowgentle said: John Wayne74 said: Did not read this entire thread, so I apologize if someone already thought that up. Nobody brought that up because it's not a very good idea.In one fell swoop you'd nerf half of the characters in the game, including Bolt, DD, BSSM, Spidey, Strange, Thor, Thanos, Spidey, Panther, BW, Phoenix, Carol, Medusa, Blade, Rulk... you get the idea.Maybe easier to just nerf the one character who needs it.
John Wayne74 said: Did not read this entire thread, so I apologize if someone already thought that up.
sinnerjfl said: People have know since a week from his release that he's totally broken, that argument wont fly. People that spent absurd amounts of money did so because they knew that Gambit would dominate the game for a while.Too bad if you did so but he's essentially destroying a whole mode of gameplay and he needs to be fixed.
entrailbucket said: The only bad roster-building strategy in the history of this game is to pick one guy who's the best right now and go all-in on him. Whichever guy is the best right now is 100% going to either get obsoleted or nerfed, and then you'll have no backup plan. If players haven't learned this lesson after the same thing happened 5-10 times before, then they deserve to be screwed over by a catastrophic nerf.I will add to Aes's list of victims: XFW, 4Thor, OML, Sentry, 3* Magneto, 3* Spiderman, Ragnarok, 2* Thorverine. Every single one of them got nerfed into oblivion and for everyone but OML the only compensation was some HP and Iso. Most of the higher level players were aware that something was going to happen to these guys eventually and had already started planning for what to do post-nerf. The ones who didn't have a plan...those guys mostly quit the game.
I agree with most of what you said, but I'll pick one nit - I don't think all those characters were nerfed into oblivion. In particular, Magneto was turned from a character who was incredibly exploitive of things they didn't think about into a solid 3* character. X-Force and GT went from beyond the top tier to, at least at the time, lower middle tier, I think, but they were still usable. I used X-Force for a while after his nerf, in particular - his black was still very effective, just not the "end the match" god-blow it was before.
OML? I dunno, I literally finished my OML on the day of his nerf (a yellow from the daily rewards finished him.) I still use him, even outside of Thanos-bombing seeds. My impression is that his healing was dealt a serious blow, but his post-claws yellow as actively improved since it's cheaper.
Avalanche Kincaid said: It's hilarious how many 1 or 2 champed 5* rosters include gambit. The problem with that is if you don't have bolt as your second you are easy pickings for anyone that has a gambit. I would actually like to see a nerf to gambit just to see the explosion that will occur on the forums. On a side note, did I just read someone pull 100 LT without a single 5*? Sorry, but that's not possible, system is built to give out a predetermined 15%.