Avalanche Kincaid said: It's hilarious how many 1 or 2 champed 5* rosters include gambit. The problem with that is if you don't have bolt as your second you are easy pickings for anyone that has a gambit. I would actually like to see a nerf to gambit just to see the explosion that will occur on the forums. On a side note, did I just read someone pull 100 LT without a single 5*? Sorry, but that's not possible, system is built to give out a predetermined 15%.
Sm0keyJ0e said: The bottom line with this dude is that if you want to play PVP even semi-competitively you have to use him. Sure, I still see Panthos teams clearing grills on hops and weird combos when people are climbing, but to seriously float or climb for any length of time, you have to have Gambit. That is what is broken about him philosophically speaking (the design flaws have been discussed ad nauseam). I, along with many others here advocating for a more significant nerf, have an entire stable of other toons we would like to use but simply cannot.And I disagree with the notion you have to partner Gambit with Bolt. I actually don't like using this combo and target others who do. I'll take a race to get 7 red before the opponent any time.
I'll run Gambit with Bolt about three-quarters of the time against another Gambit team, particularly if I've hit the point where I'm boosting Red/Yellow (usually when I get over 500 or so.) If you prioritize red, you can take down the other Gambit pretty quickly and generally only eat one or so Aces & Eights. Sometimes luck betrays you, but rarely bad enough to wipe.
I never take my own Bolt when facing Gambolt - why should I? Their Bolt helps me almost as much as it helps the other team and frees me up to bring Thanos, DD, or Hawkeye. Also, two Bolts means a lot of damage to both teams, and that a) gets risky, and b) means more healthpacks.
This is my roundabout way of saying I agree with you - Bolt is far from necessary to play with Gambit. He's almost always the best Gambit partner against a non-Gambit team, but against a Gambit team he's more risky.
GrimSkald said: Sm0keyJ0e said: The bottom line with this dude is that if you want to play PVP even semi-competitively you have to use him. Sure, I still see Panthos teams clearing grills on hops and weird combos when people are climbing, but to seriously float or climb for any length of time, you have to have Gambit. That is what is broken about him philosophically speaking (the design flaws have been discussed ad nauseam). I, along with many others here advocating for a more significant nerf, have an entire stable of other toons we would like to use but simply cannot.And I disagree with the notion you have to partner Gambit with Bolt. I actually don't like using this combo and target others who do. I'll take a race to get 7 red before the opponent any time. I'll run Gambit with Bolt about three-quarters of the time against another Gambit team, particularly if I've hit the point where I'm boosting Red/Yellow (usually when I get over 500 or so.) If you prioritize red, you can take down the other Gambit pretty quickly and generally only eat one or so Aces & Eights. Sometimes luck betrays you, but rarely bad enough to wipe.I never take my own Bolt when facing Gambolt - why should I? Their Bolt helps me almost as much as it helps the other team and frees me up to bring Thanos, DD, or Hawkeye. Also, two Bolts means a lot of damage to both teams, and that a) gets risky, and b) means more healthpacks.This is my roundabout way of saying I agree with you - Bolt is far from necessary to play with Gambit. He's almost always the best Gambit partner against a non-Gambit team, but against a Gambit team he's more risky.
Beer40 said: I don't want Gambit nerfed. My only 5* champions are StarLord and Gambit. I've got Archangel at 12 covers and Thor at 10. Thanos at 10 too, but that will take longer. I want to play with my dual 5* champions and have fun! I'm afraid a nerf will be over done and it will take away my fun.I am not competitive in this game, like many of you speaking out against Gambit. I realize my opinion is not popular in this thread. I still want my voice to be heard.
aesthetocyst said: Leaving newer and new players to fish for him out of that black hole. That will go over well.
Calnexin said: aesthetocyst said: Leaving newer and new players to fish for him out of that black hole. That will go over well. That clock is my PvP doomsday. I've got a couple of weeks to get 5 more covers. After that, I'm sure I'll draw nothing but black for my 3/1/5. Unfortunately, although my draw rate has picked up a bit, all I'm drawing is Archangel. 5 covers for him so far, and couldn't care less.I've stopped trying for 900 in PvP. As soon as I pass 600 it's wall to wall Gambit. There's no point to playing that mode past the 10 cp anymore. Waste of time.
RayElwood said: Calnexin said: aesthetocyst said: Leaving newer and new players to fish for him out of that black hole. That will go over well. That clock is my PvP doomsday. I've got a couple of weeks to get 5 more covers. After that, I'm sure I'll draw nothing but black for my 3/1/5. Unfortunately, although my draw rate has picked up a bit, all I'm drawing is Archangel. 5 covers for him so far, and couldn't care less.I've stopped trying for 900 in PvP. As soon as I pass 600 it's wall to wall Gambit. There's no point to playing that mode past the 10 cp anymore. Waste of time. 100% agree. PvP is all about getting to 575 for me. Even that requires going through hoards of Gambit.
Polares said:Now we have another 5 that can produce 5AP extra every turn, in the colors he uses, without stopping any other char powers and also creates quite big cascades, far more than Gambit. The BIG difference is that he needs to be at 50% life, so he is much easier to counter by a player, but in the hands of the player Thor is as much OP as Gambit was before the nerf. Thor also can easily deal with Gambit as the -2AP is not enough to stop him.
sinnerjfl said: Polares said:Now we have another 5 that can produce 5AP extra every turn, in the colors he uses, without stopping any other char powers and also creates quite big cascades, far more than Gambit. The BIG difference is that he needs to be at 50% life, so he is much easier to counter by a player, but in the hands of the player Thor is as much OP as Gambit was before the nerf. Thor also can easily deal with Gambit as the -2AP is not enough to stop him. You can counter Thor by keeping him last or unloading all at once when he's under 50% (same with DD). And you know what, they're both fun, balanced and powerful chars.You cannot counter Gambit nor leave him for last because his broken passive has no condition whatsoever attached to it, that's why it needs a nerf. After 5 or so turns, its a barrage of 15k dmg + erasing all your specials because why not. It's ridiculous.Just make his black like the 3* version, remove team damage and make it 4 charged tiles. Free up other chars to use red/purple at the same time, he's less reliant on another char and he still remains pretty dangerous without being the obnoxious tinykitty he is right now with unconditionnal AP drain/generation.He is overpowered and not fun to play with or against as well. He is so boring yet so powerful, its a fail on all levels.
Polares said: sinnerjfl said: Polares said:Now we have another 5 that can produce 5AP extra every turn, in the colors he uses, without stopping any other char powers and also creates quite big cascades, far more than Gambit. The BIG difference is that he needs to be at 50% life, so he is much easier to counter by a player, but in the hands of the player Thor is as much OP as Gambit was before the nerf. Thor also can easily deal with Gambit as the -2AP is not enough to stop him. You can counter Thor by keeping him last or unloading all at once when he's under 50% (same with DD). And you know what, they're both fun, balanced and powerful chars.You cannot counter Gambit nor leave him for last because his broken passive has no condition whatsoever attached to it, that's why it needs a nerf. After 5 or so turns, its a barrage of 15k dmg + erasing all your specials because why not. It's ridiculous.Just make his black like the 3* version, remove team damage and make it 4 charged tiles. Free up other chars to use red/purple at the same time, he's less reliant on another char and he still remains pretty dangerous without being the obnoxious tinykitty he is right now with unconditionnal AP drain/generation.He is overpowered and not fun to play with or against as well. He is so boring yet so powerful, its a fail on all levels. So basically you are saying they need to nerf him because he is good in defense. And in fact you can counter Gambit passive with AA black (what a joke :P)Thing is new 5s are really strong, you can deal with Thor in defense, but if you bring him to every fight at 50% life what is the difference with Gambit? And the player can easily bring him to every fight at 50%, so he is as broken as Gambit.And now GR will have an ability that for 9 green can generate 9AP every turn, plus cascades, plus 12k in damage EVERY turn (the damage part is crazy!). Now compare this with SS black hole. This ability looks broken good :S In one turn you get the AP back and do 12k damage, crazy!
sinnerjfl said: Polares said: sinnerjfl said: Polares said:Now we have another 5 that can produce 5AP extra every turn, in the colors he uses, without stopping any other char powers and also creates quite big cascades, far more than Gambit. The BIG difference is that he needs to be at 50% life, so he is much easier to counter by a player, but in the hands of the player Thor is as much OP as Gambit was before the nerf. Thor also can easily deal with Gambit as the -2AP is not enough to stop him. You can counter Thor by keeping him last or unloading all at once when he's under 50% (same with DD). And you know what, they're both fun, balanced and powerful chars.You cannot counter Gambit nor leave him for last because his broken passive has no condition whatsoever attached to it, that's why it needs a nerf. After 5 or so turns, its a barrage of 15k dmg + erasing all your specials because why not. It's ridiculous.Just make his black like the 3* version, remove team damage and make it 4 charged tiles. Free up other chars to use red/purple at the same time, he's less reliant on another char and he still remains pretty dangerous without being the obnoxious tinykitty he is right now with unconditionnal AP drain/generation.He is overpowered and not fun to play with or against as well. He is so boring yet so powerful, its a fail on all levels. So basically you are saying they need to nerf him because he is good in defense. And in fact you can counter Gambit passive with AA black (what a joke :P)Thing is new 5s are really strong, you can deal with Thor in defense, but if you bring him to every fight at 50% life what is the difference with Gambit? And the player can easily bring him to every fight at 50%, so he is as broken as Gambit.And now GR will have an ability that for 9 green can generate 9AP every turn, plus cascades, plus 12k in damage EVERY turn (the damage part is crazy!). Now compare this with SS black hole. This ability looks broken good :S In one turn you get the AP back and do 12k damage, crazy! Gambit: Not only is he too good on defense, he's also the most boring char to play because there's nothing to do, you dont even need to match anything because you gain AP automatically (and he also gains more AP with his red which is mind-boggling), its not even fun to use him. Yes a character can be too good on defense, its like if they gave the players the option to play with a Maggia muscle in PVP. Thor: There's a trade-off, you need to keep him at/under 50% health and its not that easy to keep him there without being near death eventually, it's a risk and yes, when you face him on defense, you can counter him because his passive wont activate until that criteria is met.GR: You can stop him from getting 9 green in the first place or slow him down by quite a few turns, he wont gain AP turn 1.Im not sure what you dont understand here, you CANNOT counter Gambit's black and it starts from turn 1 which gives him a MASSIVE advantage over every other character.
LifeofAgony said: “ I can play plenty other characters somewhat competitively in 5 land because gambit is on my team. 4's at that“Yes, because you have gambit. Take gambit out of the equation and you’re a sitting duck. It’s nice you don’t find it boring to have to run gambit + every pvp match. If a game of over 160 toons requires 1 toon to be part of every single combo to compete, you’re doing it wrong.#nerfgambit