Please nerf 5* Gambit

sinnerjfl

Daredevil217 said:

 The other character I hate you didn’t mention is Sentry. To me Rags, Sentry and Gambit are bottom 3 with Colossus in the same bottom tier. Ock a tier above and Shulk two tiers above. 

So you inherently hate any character with self-harm foregoing any kind of logic, ok then.

Hadronic

Ragnarok is awesome. He goes with Riri like peanut butter and jelly. Being part of a winfinite combo is bottom tier now?

Borstock

sinnerjfl said:

Daredevil217 said:

 The other character I hate you didn’t mention is Sentry. To me Rags, Sentry and Gambit are bottom 3 with Colossus in the same bottom tier. Ock a tier above and Shulk two tiers above. 

So you inherently hate any character with self-harm foregoing any kind of logic, ok then.

How is it foregoing logic to not want to play with characters who do harm to their own team?  When there are as many playable characters as there are in this game, who would ever prefer to use a character that hurts their own team?  That's just silly.  Unless you're running Cardusa or something, there's probably a comparable option that DOESN'T do team damage.

Thanos is probably another exception, but there are specific reasons for that.

Sm0keyJ0e

I am guessing that Thanos is the most popular PVE toon in the game. #teamdamage

Borstock

Sm0keyJ0e said:

I am guessing that Thanos is the most popular PVE toon in the game. #teamdamage

Beat me to my edit, but yes, Thanos is the other exception. But there are very specific reasons for that exception.

sinnerjfl

Team damage can be used in a variety of way, several characters now either benefit from it or get special triggers.

True healers dont care either.

jackstar0

Just champed my 5* Gambit today.

So please proceed with your nerf, D3. I realize I was the holdup.

Heartbreaksoup

Beer40 said:

I don't want Gambit nerfed. My only 5* champions are StarLord and Gambit. I've got Archangel at 12 covers and Thor at 10. Thanos at 10 too, but that will take longer. 

I want to play with my dual 5* champions and have fun! 

I'm afraid a nerf will be over done and it will take away my fun.

I am not competitive in this game, like many of you speaking out against Gambit. I realize my opinion is not popular in this thread. 

I still want my voice to be heard.

I agree with you, Beer40.  I didn't want him "nerfed" in the first place.  I really enjoyed having my single-cover 5* Gambit with just the one power feeding either 2* Magneto or 3* Falcon.  That was a terrific and really fun combo and I enjoyed sending them through PVE.  I've only faced this "nerfed" Gambit once, in Simulator rather than in PVP, and about the only nice thing about dealing with the headache was that the Prof X on the computer team couldn't purple-port himself away.

Borstock

sinnerjfl said:

Team damage can be used in a variety of way, several characters now either benefit from it or get special triggers.

True healers dont care either.

There aren't a ton of true healers, and the ones that are fall into the category of generally preferable to bringing team damagers. 

I'm not saying they are useless, but I do object to the idea that there's no logic in avoiding damaging your own team as a general rule. It's not good to help the enemy, and it absolutely is a drawback, especially when there are 150 other options.

sirwookieechris

I don’t understand why every buff/nerf has to be extreme. Why not do it mmo style and make small changes over time until it is where you want it?

start by removing the ap destruction on gambit for a season.

not good enough? Lower health next season.

not good enough? Make black a repeater tile passive

etc.

udonomefoo

sirwookieechris said:

I don’t understand why every buff/nerf has to be extreme. Why not do it mmo style and make small changes over time until it is where you want it?

start by removing the ap destruction on gambit for a season.

not good enough? Lower health next season.

not good enough? Make black a repeater tile passive

etc.

Stop being reasonable!  We don't do that here.

j0nats

sirwookieechris said:

I don’t understand why every buff/nerf has to be extreme. Why not do it mmo style and make small changes over time until it is where you want it?

start by removing the ap destruction on gambit for a season.

not good enough? Lower health next season.

not good enough? Make black a repeater tile passive

etc.

i agree!   

the 1st 2 nerfs will make gambit pretty managable i think.  especially if the 2nd nerf puts his health same as dr strange

Jonny1Punch

j0nats said:

sirwookieechris said:

I don’t understand why every buff/nerf has to be extreme. Why not do it mmo style and make small changes over time until it is where you want it?

start by removing the ap destruction on gambit for a season.

not good enough? Lower health next season.

not good enough? Make black a repeater tile passive

etc.

i agree!   

the 1st 2 nerfs will make gambit pretty managable i think.  especially if the 2nd nerf puts his health same as dr strange

Agree 100%. I’ve been saying this since the start.
give him the exact same health as Dr. strange, remove the AP drain and make black a 2-turn repeater tile passive and BAM! best fix yet and he’s still top tier with the best red and purple in the entire game . Great rebalance 

madoctor

John Wayne74 said:

I sold my gambit.  Not quitting the game just yet.  But I refuse to be a part of its demise while I am still playing.  He’s s a broke joke and I honestly don’t understand how so many don’t see the issues with him and how it effects the life of the game.  But I’m done arguing about it and just gonna do my gambitless thang!!! Limited and hitting walls is better than conforming to this “new meta”. And honestly I don’t see where they are looking at this thread.  I honestly wonder do they even read anything on the forum at all anymore?

I see a 451 Gambit on your roster. CS restore? Or rechamped? If you rechamped him it must have taken considerable resources to do so

jackstar0

Heck, let Dr Strange and Gambit trade health.

Jonny1Punch

jackstar0 said:

Heck, let Dr Strange and Gambit trade health.

That would be the best and quickest fix I’ve said since day one. Let those 2 trade health if not even give gambit lower Health then strange. Gambits power set is light years ahead of anyone and so ridiculously overpowered for a average guy who just throws cards. 

His health is higher then silver surfers which makes zero sense. Surfer should have thanos level health (on par with cosmic space gods ) and gambit should have dr strange or less hp.

Daiches

Jonny1Punch said:

jackstar0 said:

Heck, let Dr Strange and Gambit trade health.

That would be the best and quickest fix I’ve said since day one. Let those 2 trade health if not even give gambit lower Health then strange. Gambits power set is light years ahead of anyone and so ridiculously overpowered for a average guy who just throws cards. 

His health is higher then silver surfers which makes zero sense. Surfer should have thanos level health (on par with cosmic space gods ) and gambit should have dr strange or less hp.

Self healers always have lower health. It's part of the design. And the difference between the two characters is almost nothing. Look at Phoenix as a comparative with SS. She too has healing in the form of resurrection (which does nothing anymore due to Thanos first and Gambit second) and her health is superlow because of it, instead of what you expect from such a powerful mutant/cosmic entity. Too bad her match damage is also the lowest of the tier when her main source of damage output is match damage cascades from her purple. Her red is incredibly weak and has a drawback. 
So.. #BuffPhoenix

John Wayne74

madoctor said:

John Wayne74 said:

I sold my gambit.  Not quitting the game just yet.  But I refuse to be a part of its demise while I am still playing.  He’s s a broke joke and I honestly don’t understand how so many don’t see the issues with him and how it effects the life of the game.  But I’m done arguing about it and just gonna do my gambitless thang!!! Limited and hitting walls is better than conforming to this “new meta”. And honestly I don’t see where they are looking at this thread.  I honestly wonder do they even read anything on the forum at all anymore?

I see a 451 Gambit on your roster. CS restore? Or rechamped? If you rechamped him it must have taken considerable resources to do so

All my friends got tired of me calling for a nerf, so they all gifted me covers to shut me up lmao

*removed profanity - Ducky

Philly484

He doesn't need a nerf! Why would they redo again, and give the players that have 2 level 550 Gambits like 50 more 5* Tokens. His biggest weakness is being stunned, which can easily be done by Iceman, Strange, Peggy. He even counters himself. So he doesn't need another nerf. 

LifeofAgony

He can be stunned is an argument against nerf?  And mirror matches a counter does not make.

Feel free to read the 36 pages of this thread that identify the reasons for him needing a nerf.  Him being vulnerable to being stunned isn’t anywhere on the radar.  And mirror matches is kinda the big issue.  You need gambit to reasonably beat him.  Bring an unboosted icy into a pvp match, even at 370 will draw 10 hits for the one match you win.  He needs to be fixed.