Please nerf 5* Gambit

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  • Philly484
    Philly484 Posts: 173 Tile Toppler
    I have read the thread, been reading. He needs a counter Hero/Villain I'll agree to that, but if lower level players are complaining for various reasons: not having him completed, because they cant compete with MMR, they don't want to be retaliated against, etc scenarios. I still managed without him before nerf, after nerf, and now that I have him champed. In all honesty I have been using Thor and Thanos more than I have GamBolt or GamThor.

    I also understand that when you are forced to use a certain character that hits will come in, but that is an issue that has been around for a long time. Win based addressed that, but the problem with that was that it only helped in new player roster development. The easiest way to resolve rather than just redoing is skill sets all over again, is make a counter character. The same problem was when Meta PVP was HulkBuster and Jean Grey pairing, they introduced Quake to be an AOE absorber. A character that either prevents a passive from working for a set number of turns, or a character that destroys charged tiles as a passive would be a counter to him. He needs a counter Hero/Villain not another nerf/kit redo.  
  • Warbringa
    Warbringa Posts: 1,299 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited February 2018
    I think they will come out with a 4* character that has a passive or active ability (passive makes more sense) that limits AP gain from non-match sources. It makes a lot of sense to have this character at the 4* level imo.  There are so many ways to gain AP other than matching: countdown tiles, active powers, passive powers, stealing AP.  

    If I was building him, he would be something like this:

    For example Character X: (Passive - probably a blue power, maybe yellow- doesn't impact tile matching AP gain):

    Your team may not gain AP except through matching tiles, opponent's powers that grant you AP (ie Ares green, etc.)  or team-up powers.  

    Level 1:  If your opponent would gain AP from a source other than a match, reduce that AP gain by 1 AP, color chosen randomly (only impacts 1 AP, so Gambit would only gain 3 AP per turn instead of 4 in this case).
    Level 2:  Same  as above except 1 AP for up to two separate colors.
    Level 3:  Same as above except 2 AP for one color and 1 AP for a second color. 
    Level 4:  Opponents countdown tiles do not produce AP.  
    Level 5:  Your team is immune to AP theft or destruction.  

    A character like this would bring a lot of power back to non-AP generators in this game imo.  By placing the anti-team AP gain, you get rid of the idea of people pairing him with their own Gambit, etc.  
  • LifeofAgony
    LifeofAgony Posts: 690 Critical Contributor
    edited February 2018
    We’ve covered the counter arguments in the thread as well.  1.  D3 has never made a viable counter to the “meta”. 2.  Any counter that they do create reasonably, is going to be as irrevocably OP as gambit currently is.  3.  Being that we’ve got a handful of 4s and 5s to look at post-gambit, none of which are even in the same stratosphere of being OP leads me to believe this is not in their plans.

    And as I’ve said many times over many threads. Once he leaves latests, if you’re not equipped with a champ or cover short of champ gambit and wish to compete in the 5* tier of pvp, you’re outta luck.
  • socdelt9
    socdelt9 Posts: 2 Just Dropped In
    I take Gambolt teams (or anyone with Gambit) down all the time (ok, not always maybe like 90% of the time) with GThor and America Chavez in PvP by boosting AP in all the colors at the beginning. Even if Gambit uses his red a couple times as soon as GThor goes below 50% he's providing AC with the ammo to keep putting critical tiles on the board... which combined with charged tiles makes it easier to take Gambit down then BB. Of course ThorChavez is horrible on defense. Still fun to play! No complaints here

  • Jonny1Punch
    Jonny1Punch Posts: 436 Mover and Shaker
    kenshohmer2 said:
    Please, stop looking for excuses to not nerf Gambit. He is broken that's a fact. Even when the meta was Panthos you could defeat them with nearly every other 5 stars and even with a 4* team on their boosted week. Gambit leaves you nearly no chance to use someone else other than Gambit.
    Seriously, every turn he takes away 2 of the 3 AP you gained (if no cascade) and generates 4 for himself!

    This 100x over ^

    I get why certain people are so defensive and trying hard to counter the "nerf gambit' revolution so desperately. Being a god in pvp is fun. Being overpowered might feel satisfying to some especially if he is your only big 5* or you spent your kids college fund trying to 550 him. The truth is everyone knows he is terrible for the game and is hurting the overall health of pvp in a big way. 

    Get over it. This is going to happen. The game is already on life support as it is and Gambit is so blatantly beyond broken he will be the one to flatline our fun little toilet game. We all love marvel candy crush no one wants to see gambit continue to exist in his current form or set a trend for future characters further rendering our entire rosters and progress over the last few years obsolete. Gambit is bad business and by far the worst thing to ever happen to this game since the insanely dumb OML nerf. I mean zero disrespect here but I cant keep listening to bogus reasons defending this OP French card dork ; )


  • Carnifexx
    Carnifexx Posts: 110 Tile Toppler
    And this x1,000,000
  • mr_X
    mr_X Posts: 375 Mover and Shaker
    Yeah guys spent/hoarded for gambit. But they also spent/hoarded for all the other 5s also and also played a long time building up all these other 5s who been reduced to trash tier in some cases. 

    Nerf/ rebalance gambit or leave the game nerfed seems obvious really...
  • Dartmaster01
    Dartmaster01 Posts: 634 Critical Contributor
    Just know that you four or five vocal majority in this thread do not speak for everyone. I have had no problems with any of the reasons stated for a nerf here.  I use all my other champed fives more than Gambit, I don't mind seeing him pvp and haven't minded playing against him yet. I'm not going to say he doesn't need something or argue semantics with anyone here but I will say, you don't speak for everyone. Some of us actually enjoy the current meta with all it's ups and downs.
  • Daredevil217
    Daredevil217 Posts: 3,967 Chairperson of the Boards
    Jonny1Punch said:
    no one wants to see gambit continue to exist in his current form

    Dartmaster01 said:
    Just know that you four or five vocal majority in this thread do not speak for everyone. I have had no problems with any of the reasons stated for a nerf here.  I use all my other champed fives more than Gambit, I don't mind seeing him pvp and haven't minded playing against him yet. I'm not going to say he doesn't need something or argue semantics with anyone here but I will say, you don't speak for everyone. Some of us actually enjoy the current meta with all it's ups and downs.
    Thanks for posting that, Dart.
  • PorkBelly
    PorkBelly Posts: 535 Critical Contributor
    Dartmaster01 said:
    Just know that you four or five vocal majority in this thread do not speak for everyone. I have had no problems with any of the reasons stated for a nerf here.  I use all my other champed fives more than Gambit, I don't mind seeing him pvp and haven't minded playing against him yet. I'm not going to say he doesn't need something or argue semantics with anyone here but I will say, you don't speak for everyone. Some of us actually enjoy the current meta with all it's ups and downs.
    Why don't you go through this thread and count up how many unique user posts there are advocating for a nerf vs those saying everything is fine the way it is?  I doubt very much that you will find that it is four or five vocal users.
  • Philly484
    Philly484 Posts: 173 Tile Toppler
    Well seeing how the forum users are a very few number vs the mass majority of other players who are not vocal on the forums, then I would say that you would still have more vet players who  don't see the point in another toolkit update. Also, from what I gather it seems like the outcry for the nerf are those ppl who don't have the covers to use him, and instead of working through it with other 5*'s like some of us had before and after update they are going with the mentality of "well if i can't be viable the way I want to be since I can't use Gambit, then the logical solution is to nerf him so no one in top tier play will want to use him again."

    He needs a counter, Yes! Redone toolkit again, not really. What if a nerf happens and people stop playing are the players going to pick on 5* Thor next? Heck why not Peggy, or the amount of dmg 4Cage can do when he is boosted. If it boils down to players wanting a nerf because they don't have the covers to use Gambit, then that is not reason enough to nerf him. 
  • Philly484
    Philly484 Posts: 173 Tile Toppler
    Actually from what I've really seen is about 10-15 players vets and not keeping the thread going. That doesn't constitute a mass majority of players who just read and don't comment in here.
  • CharlieCroker
    CharlieCroker Posts: 254 Mover and Shaker
    Sm0keyJ0e said:
    Philly484 said:
    Also, from what I gather it seems like the outcry for the nerf are those ppl who don't have the covers to use him, and instead of working through it with other 5*'s like some of us had before and after update they are going with the mentality of "well if i can't be viable the way I want to be since I can't use Gambit, then the logical solution is to nerf him so no one in top tier play will want to use him again."

    What are you talking about? Have you actually read any of the posts? Most people that are asking for a nerf have him CHAMPED! It's not about the have-nots. It's about the haves wanting to use the rest of their rosters in PvP.
    Before I had Gambit I was asking for a nerf as it was extremely difficult to beat him and generally compete without him.  I don't think anything has really changed here, despite the rebalancing, although maybe a team like Strange/Panther has more of a chance (but only to beat him, you couldn't leave that team out on D for long).

    I now have Gambit and have done for a couple of seasons.  I'm still asking for a nerf as I'm bored stuff with the current meta and being obliged to use Gambit nearly every PvP match once you get to a certain point threshold.  In a health varied meta I wouldnt be using a 456 Gambit EVERY match over several near 470 characters, and more significantly others wouldn't be doing the same with Gambits 50+ levels below the top of their rosters.
  • broll
    broll Posts: 4,732 Chairperson of the Boards
    Philly484 said:
    Actually from what I've really seen is about 10-15 players vets and not keeping the thread going. That doesn't constitute a mass majority of players who just read and don't comment in here.
    Vets are primarily who complain about Gambit, because they're the ones afflicted by him.  If you aren't in the 5* meta I can't imagine he's such a plauge, but once you're firmly in 5* meta it's raining cajuns hallelujah?
  • thedarkphoenix
    thedarkphoenix Posts: 557 Critical Contributor
    kenshohmer2 said:
    Please, stop looking for excuses to not nerf Gambit. He is broken that's a fact. Even when the meta was Panthos you could defeat them with nearly every other 5 stars and even with a 4* team on their boosted week. Gambit leaves you nearly no chance to use someone else other than Gambit.
    Seriously, every turn he takes away 2 of the 3 AP you gained (if no cascade) and generates 4 for himself!
    You say that now but it was all pitch forks at that time too just like it is currently with gambit now. Its like that with everything that's appears to good for the "vets" liking.


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