Please nerf 5* Gambit

Crnch73

Considering that gambit is my only champed 5... if he were legitimately broken, wouldn’t I be undefeated in pvp, never getting retal attacks against me, etc? I get hit plenty on defense and lose LOTS of points. I am not complaining about this, it’s the nature of the beast. I understand he is the strongest stand alone character, and he can be annoying to face... but if he were so drastically unfair, I would only be attacked and beaten by gambit teams, which is very much untrue. 

MaxxPowerz

I kind of feel like MPQ likes releasing these game breaking characters because it encourages people to chase them with $$$

CharlieCroker

MaxxPowerz said:

I kind of feel like MPQ likes releasing these game breaking characters because it encourages people to chase them with $$$

But then they release relatively weak (in some instances trash) characters like Banner, Starlord, Doc Oc and pre-buff Cap.

I prefer to think that they don't fully test characters and have little to no idea how competitive PvP is played at the 5* tier.

LifeofAgony

I prefer to think that they don't fully test characters and have little to no idea how competitive PvP is played at the 5* tier.

All of this.  So much all of this.  My gut feeling is they had no clue how strong gambit would be pre-release.  Then the $$$ came rolling in.  So he remains busted.

ViralCore

With the release of Arch Angel, MeHulk, Nico, and Kraven, clearly the power creep is in full effect like a number people have said. #sarcasm

To repeat others, the recent change was a buff; they may have slowed him down but he is now more powerful.

broll

Seems like they just nerfed his pull rates.  I'm 0 for 9 out of the last 5* pulls.  Just need 1 more to champ him... ugh.  I'll probably get the 13th and champ him on the day he's nerfed to oblivion.

Dayv

CharlieCroker said:

MaxxPowerz said:

I kind of feel like MPQ likes releasing these game breaking characters because it encourages people to chase them with $$$

But then they release relatively weak (in some instances trash) characters like Banner, Starlord, Doc Oc and pre-buff Cap.

I prefer to think that they don't fully test characters and have little to no idea how competitive PvP is played at the 5* tier.

As they say over on the AV Club:

It can be two things.

Releasing 5* characters regularly might capture one segment's spending, while occasionally releasing one that is over-the-top, power-wise, captures another segment.  But they have to be careful not to alienate one group of spenders while chasing another.  In my case, they failed.  Gambit is a main reason I've quit playing like I used to, and continue to play a little less every day.

GrimSkald

Right now there are two 5* tiers:

a) players with one or more 5* other than Gambit

b) players with Gambit

Players from A aren't really in the 5* tier anymore - no matter what team they field (yes, even Strange,) they are absolute prey to players form B.  Their teams are good against 4*, but any Gambit team will eat whatever they can field.

Sure, you can take on Gambit if you have your own Gambit (don't bring BB, gather red until your opponent's Gambit fires "Aces and Eights," unload on Gambit,) it's not even that hard, but if you don't have Gambit your game is easily 2-3 times as hard as someone with Gambit.

I got my Gambit two weeks ago, it's not like I'm not in Tier B, but he's seriously unbalanced.  I use half as many health packs in my climb as I used to, even when I fielded Surfer/Bolt (a team that self-heals.)  Gambit just destroys.

Milk Jugz

While I still believe Gambit is broken and needs his auto ap generation taken away I will say since I champed Thor I use my Gambit less. My favorite Versus combo at the moment is Thor/DD. I, mostly, only use Gambit when I come across a Gambolt team. Thor/DD has very little trouble taking down Gambit when he is paired with anyone but Bolt. It gets trickier with Bolt involved. Also, Thor/DD is light on the health pack usage as long as you can keep Thor behind DD once he's 50% health. I've played multiple matches in a row without using a health pack using those 2 at 50% health.

entrailbucket

I think the complaining has died down to some extent because it's too late now. 

What I was trying to communicate in the initial post was "veteran players know this guy is broken and if you let him stay this way he's going to completely consume the game."  The argument was to do the nerf before the situation got out of control. 

Everyone knows the nerf is going to happen eventually (sorry if you don't think this, but it is, because it has always happened before).  It was just a question of when it would happen, and it'd have been much better if it was done before he took over.  It's too late for that now, as Gambit has already taken over the game. 

Plus, waiting on this is instead of doing it right away is going to cause them a lot more problems since a not-insignificant number of people have dropped $10,000 or $20,000 on him in the last few months and will be very upset when he becomes useless.

I just hope that both the devs and players remember this situation the next time an accidentally overpowered character is released (they probably won't).

bluewolf

It is not an accident that he is overpowered. It was the design intent.

Quoting from the rebalance announcement:

“Gambit was one of your most requested characters, and we want to make sure that he's as awesome as you remember him from your favorite Marvel comics. While we clearly overshot that goal originally, we believe that after these changes, both 3-Star and 5-Star Gambit remain strong characters.“

entrailbucket

I can go back through dev posts and find them talking about how awesome Doc Ock and Kraven are, too.  That's just hype, or alternatively actually supports my "accident" theory.

Ultimately it doesn't really matter if this is on purpose or by accident, although if you think this is part of some dastardly scheme to steal your money by releasing overpowered characters then ruining them, why are you still playing this game/spending money on it? 

John Wayne74

I have all 5*’s Champed except
Daredevil - 4 covers
Gambit - 10 covers
Thor - 11 covers
Archangel - 8 covers

pvp was broken before gambit in the sense it has grown stale.  But now I am utterly useless in pvp do to health pack consumption going against gambit without gambit myself.  I mainly use 3*’s then 4*’s from seeds just to have some enjoyment in it.  But I know it’s just me right?  I can’t read, so I obviously can’t see colors and match them either.  He’s not broken, I just completely forgot how to play once he’s hit the scene.  I’m sure that one day, I’ll get my game back on and figure out how to slide the one color tile to be in line with the other 2-4 like color tiles.  At least I hope so anyway.

Funny part is, I still do just fine in pve.  Must be a different screen in versus messing me up I suppose.

dadows

let's all hope we get nothing but bad and slow character releases from here on out. 

Kid_Dash

I can see how Gambit has become ubiquitous.  That's the same reason they nerfed OML.  BUT - I've seen characters be at the top of the meta get taken down a few pegs with new releases.  I remember when teen Jean was the premier 4*.  She's lost that title to the likes of Rocket and Groot, Captain Marvel, and Gamora. 

I suspect and hope that instead of nerfing Gambit, we'll see equally powerful 5s emerge and/or buffs to existing 5s.  I'd much rather see that than a nerf.  It's so boring when you've experienced how awesome a character is pre-nerf and then they get nerfed and you still have to play with them because of the meta.  I don't want Gambit to be nerfed and I hope D3 is not just listening to a possible vocal minority here.

CT1888

If they were to release a counter character, I'd expect a couple of months before there is a significant number of the counter character in play due to the number of hoards emptied for Gambit.
As someone without Gambit champed, pvp is not fun right now, and I don't fancy several more months of this while desperately trying to cover a counter character.
As for buffs, those most in need are the ones fewest people have champed, and are buried in Classics, so could take time for the meta to shift significantly enough to make a difference.

Jonny1Punch

“Gambit Strength: Gambit is a mutant who possesses the normal human strength of a man of his age, height, and build who engages in intensive regular exercise.” Source: Marveldirectory.com

Gambit is not a cosmic,space-god type killing machine like Surfer or Thanos. He is not a giant green bulletproof monster like Hulk.... ( fix banner plz).

He is an average bro who throws playing cards that explode. That’s it. He charges stuff. This should literally make him the most average & beatable of the 5* tier.

So why he was designed as the end all 6* god of MPQ I’ll never know. Makes no sense. 

At this stage of course I would love to see all other 5s buffed up significantly to contend with him but doubtful to see it. Either his red and Purple get toned down significantly or D3 gives him Dr. strange level health rendering him more of a glass cannon. As it stands he is so absurdly overpowered that several friends of mine who have him level 550 have told me they want him nerfed just as bad, he devalues every other character. His health pool alone coupled with insane CD overwriting and cheap yet deadly spammy red.... he does too much, too perfectly. All three of his powers have no comparison or peer. He is hands down the best character in the game. Add in black bolt you have a guaranteed easy win using the most broken combo since patchneto.

And no I’m not a washed up vet whining. I’m a big fan of the game and longtime supporter, I want a meta that is as healthy,fun and balanced as we can expect. I want this game to thrive and do well...... Gambit hurts the game badly and is not sustainable character design. He can still be the best, but he needs to fall more in line with the recent Thor and DD who are insanely good yet fair to beat or get beaten by. Gambit feels far too cheap, no strategy or tactics required.

Crnch73

I think the true problem is not that gambit is too good, it’s that the rest of the characters fall short. He is fun to play with. But a nerf to him is much easier than designing a counter character or buffing other characters, so that’s why people call for the nerf. We just don’t trust the devs to get it right moving forward.

and very valid point that gambit is not a god killer like surfer... but what upsets me about that statement? That surfer is not as good as he should be. In theory, he and Phoenix should be probably the strongest characters in the game. They’re good but there’s no way gambit, Logan, maybe not even a scream from Bolt, should be able to easily dispatch them. So it just makes me more upset that other worldly characters aren’t stronger

Keirain1982

Crnch73 said:

I think the true problem is not that gambit is too good, it’s that the rest of the characters fall short. He is fun to play with. But a nerf to him is much easier than designing a counter character or buffing other characters, so that’s why people call for the nerf. We just don’t trust the devs to get it right moving forward.

and very valid point that gambit is not a god killer like surfer... but what upsets me about that statement? That surfer is not as good as he should be. In theory, he and Phoenix should be probably the strongest characters in the game. They’re good but there’s no way gambit, Logan, maybe not even a scream from Bolt, should be able to easily dispatch them. So it just makes me more upset that other worldly characters aren’t stronger

Fully agree with this.

Characters worthy of 5* status:

Phoenix, Thanos, Silver Surfer, Black Bolt (at a push. His scream is supposed to be one of the most powerful weapons known to man if unleashed at full strength), Hulk (supposed to be the strongest there is)

All the others should be 4*, but I personally can't get my head around why Hawkeye and Black Widow were given 5* status. They're good, but they're not 5* good. But like it's already been mentioned, there's no realistic approach to the determination of 5* status.

thedarkphoenix

Gambit really isn't the problem, a gambit team without blackbolt or anyone that can create charged tiles isn't really tough nor scary. Getting hit for  15k  possibly every 3 turn as opposed to 6 turns is a huge difference. With BB on the team, As soon as he gets 7 red its big damage and there is no way to stop having charges tiles out at turn 2.


So his "problem" is he just has AMAZING synergy with black bolt who also is really good and passively does something.


Together there is no way around it being the best duo you can literally plug anyone into that 3rd spot and be ok. ( which some might argue is a good thing)


So nerfing gambit (again) is a bit unfair as he just so happens to work really well with another character. nerfing synergy is never a good idea to me unless it literally is unstoppable/gaming ending or a team wipe


Once they add a 5 that passively deals/removes with charge tiles (and possibly gets a buff from dealing with it) gambit will be all but useless (well not really) as he'd  probably just go to a 5/3/5 build and be more support than a nuker.