Phaserhawk wrote: OBW is perfect, actually one of the better balanced characters, you cant fault her for being too good, it's that others aren't good enough. If you don't take care of OBW right away and she gets her purple off on you, yeah, it sucks and you are going to have some problems, I had a bad one where the AI got an unbelievable cascade their OBW got enough to go purple, then blue and heal, argghhh, I still won, and wasn't upset as she did what she was suppose to, it was the cascade that killed me. I think Captain and Hawkeye need to get moved up, I think Magneto Marvel Now needs a little love, and Modern Storm needs either her yellow buffed or the cost of green and blue to go down just a bit. Moonstone could use some more loving, Ares is perfect, Thor is perfect, Wolvie needs his healing tweaked (get rid of that 50% clause), Bullseye and Daken need a third skill and Bullseye needs a complete overhaul, and of course BagMan
Psykopathic wrote: Phaserhawk wrote: OBW is perfect, actually one of the better balanced characters, you cant fault her for being too good, it's that others aren't good enough. If you don't take care of OBW right away and she gets her purple off on you, yeah, it sucks and you are going to have some problems, I had a bad one where the AI got an unbelievable cascade their OBW got enough to go purple, then blue and heal, argghhh, I still won, and wasn't upset as she did what she was suppose to, it was the cascade that killed me. I think Captain and Hawkeye need to get moved up, I think Magneto Marvel Now needs a little love, and Modern Storm needs either her yellow buffed or the cost of green and blue to go down just a bit. Moonstone could use some more loving, Ares is perfect, Thor is perfect, Wolvie needs his healing tweaked (get rid of that 50% clause), Bullseye and Daken need a third skill and Bullseye needs a complete overhaul, and of course BagMan Problem being is that they have already decided where power levels should be and brought a lot of other characters to it. If you were to take the steps now to move every1 to her level you would literally have to tweak like 25+ covers. It's a little too late for that option. A very slight tweak like what was mentioned a few posts back, make it to where she can only steal 3 of each, maybe cap it out at 14 ap stolen though. She would still be very useful but not able to take 24 ap from the opponent. That's a 48 ap turnaround when she does that. A 48 ap turnaround off an 11ap? Skill.@phantron yeah I agree with most of what you said there. Kinda fun having the 1* like that but they are deceptively strong too. Haha. A lvl 230 storm / widow / jugg 1 star team would wreck people. Haha!
Phantron wrote: Psykopathic wrote: Phaserhawk wrote: OBW is perfect, actually one of the better balanced characters, you cant fault her for being too good, it's that others aren't good enough. If you don't take care of OBW right away and she gets her purple off on you, yeah, it sucks and you are going to have some problems, I had a bad one where the AI got an unbelievable cascade their OBW got enough to go purple, then blue and heal, argghhh, I still won, and wasn't upset as she did what she was suppose to, it was the cascade that killed me. I think Captain and Hawkeye need to get moved up, I think Magneto Marvel Now needs a little love, and Modern Storm needs either her yellow buffed or the cost of green and blue to go down just a bit. Moonstone could use some more loving, Ares is perfect, Thor is perfect, Wolvie needs his healing tweaked (get rid of that 50% clause), Bullseye and Daken need a third skill and Bullseye needs a complete overhaul, and of course BagMan Problem being is that they have already decided where power levels should be and brought a lot of other characters to it. If you were to take the steps now to move every1 to her level you would literally have to tweak like 25+ covers. It's a little too late for that option. A very slight tweak like what was mentioned a few posts back, make it to where she can only steal 3 of each, maybe cap it out at 14 ap stolen though. She would still be very useful but not able to take 24 ap from the opponent. That's a 48 ap turnaround when she does that. A 48 ap turnaround off an 11ap? Skill.@phantron yeah I agree with most of what you said there. Kinda fun having the 1* like that but they are deceptively strong too. Haha. A lvl 230 storm / widow / jugg 1 star team would wreck people. Haha! If Modern Storm simply scaled to level 230 and was released as a 4* character, everyone will cry total P2W and that'd be totally justified. You might as well give up if you have to face a Storm with say 5K HP (which is less than what IW has) and exactly the same abilities as she currently has. I realize it's not a huge priority, but it just feels weird that I'm still avoiding team with Modern Storm in it over say, a level 141 Punisher. Sure I don't mind if 1* are viable at the high end, but right now I'm more afraid of Modern Storm than most level 141 characters and that's just not right. For OBW, I think most people don't notice how bad it is because we're still used to the game where 3 AP is enough to use a major move. Aggressive Recon doesn't do much to the old 3 AP Feral Claws, but sure affects the new one, and it'll get increasingly more powerful as all the cheap AP moves are almost certain to be nerfed in the future. You got to bite the bullet here with OBW and The Hood. They might have been fine back when games ended on turn 2, but that's not how the current games are anymore. Also with OBW, currently there is also the 'at least you're not facing Spiderman' factor to make her seem balanced, but one broken character does not justify another broken character.
Rorex wrote: A seriously comparison of OBW to other similar characters. Take the Hood. OBW lvl 5 purple takes four turns to generate enough AP and steals up to 24 AP. The Hood lvl 5 blue is going to also steal up 24 AP over 4 turns. However with both at lvl 85 OBW has 500 more hit points, a heal + countdown reset and steals with every blue, purple, black match. Compared to the Hood who has a yellow you will likely only get off once a fight that mostly just generates AP and a friendly countdown reducer. Which one seems better ? And given that 3* are harder to obtain / more expensive shouldn’t the 3* be better? Battery Comparison: 3* Hood: 24AP/4 turns = 6AP/Turn 2* OBW: 24AP/4 turns = 6AP/Turn 1* MBW: 24AP/6 turns = 4AP/Turn All of this assumes max enemy AP however since OBW, MBW, Hood all operate on the similar premises I think the comparison is fair. OBW should likely be at 5AP/turn. To fix this all they would need to do is increase the cost of her purple at lvl 5 to 13AP. It would then make sense that at lvl 3 purple it would be 11AP. A very Minor nerf. In addition Assuming enemy has 3 purple AP, you will actually be getting 4 AP per match so it then takes 3 turn to have enough AP currently. 2* OBW: 24AP/3 turns = 8AP/Turn IMO this is why most people view her as OP. If you are collecting purple AP yourself alot of times all you end up doing is getting her access to her steal faster. This all begs the question is OBW/Hood/Spidey the best defense. Stuns, heals, and alot of steals.
Psykopathic wrote: It's been a while since any change was implemented with covers. Seems like 1 is gonna hit us pretty soon. My guess is next Friday.
DD-The-Mighty wrote: Psykopathic wrote: It's been a while since any change was implemented with covers. Seems like 1 is gonna hit us pretty soon. My guess is next Friday. I was not here for the change on covers. What were they?
Rorex wrote: However with both at lvl 85 OBW has 500 more hit points, a heal + countdown reset and steals with every blue, purple, black match.
Veracity wrote: Rorex wrote: However with both at lvl 85 OBW has 500 more hit points, a heal + countdown reset and steals with every blue, purple, black match. A level 85 3* is weaker than a level 85 2*. If you're going to compare them, it should be at 100 where they're stat-equivalent or 141 where the 3* is capped. No comment regarding anything else, just inappropriate comparisons because a lot of people apparently don't understand this perturb me. I'm not suggesting anyone has to think it's a good idea, just that you need to look at how level progression differs with rarity before trying to compare different-*'d characters. I like the fact they leave plainly broken abilities on 1*s because the level cap means they can. Can't wait for lv230 M.Storm in the new PvE.
Spencer75 wrote: The difference between the hood and OBW here is that OBW has to steal AP thru matches and the hood steals his passively If you don't get enough people to match OBW simply won't generate AP all that well The board literally doesn't matter with the hood (except for having too many environmental tiles, but the AI usually takes care of that for you) Like speed in baseball, the hood never slumps Regardless why are we talking about maximum AP steal scenarios when those almost never happen, let's talk about the norm, more likely scenarios