Who should be next in line for balancing?

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NorthernPolarity wrote:

Unity wrote:

If she gets nerfed because of some of you, im going to be pissed. It's like everytime someone "complains" they "balance" the game which makes it WORST. Ragnok sucks now, Thor sucks now, Wolverine kind of sucks, Classic storm sucks now, Invisible woman still sucks after buff, Spiderman is going to suck after nerf. And when is moonstone going to get her f*cking buff devs! ? Her powers vs ap cost are almost ridiculous.

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Knee-jerk reaction much? Ragnarok does suck now, but Thor and Wolvie are still among the best 2* characters in the game. I'm sorry that your 2* characters that had a 3*'s power level were nerfed to a reasonable power level, I suppose.

Im still 50/50 on the thor and wolverine thing. Needed nerfing? yes. But what i was mad about is how they released like 3 pvp's after all those people sold them. To me Thor should have been a 3* or 4* from the get go, they where dead wrong for making him a 2*. The only thing needed to be changed on wolvie was his green, so i dont know why he got the full reboot. I also apologize if i came off a little rude, this game is going down the wrong path and it's annoying.

NorthernPolarity

Unity wrote:

NorthernPolarity wrote:

Unity wrote:

If she gets nerfed because of some of you, im going to be pissed. It's like everytime someone "complains" they "balance" the game which makes it WORST. Ragnok sucks now, Thor sucks now, Wolverine kind of sucks, Classic storm sucks now, Invisible woman still sucks after buff, Spiderman is going to suck after nerf. And when is moonstone going to get her f*cking buff devs! ? Her powers vs ap cost are almost ridiculous.

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Knee-jerk reaction much? Ragnarok does suck now, but Thor and Wolvie are still among the best 2* characters in the game. I'm sorry that your 2* characters that had a 3*'s power level were nerfed to a reasonable power level, I suppose.

Im still 50/50 on the thor and wolverine thing. Needed nerfing? yes. But what i was mad about is how they released like 3 pvp's after all those people sold them. To me Thor should have been a 3* or 4* from the get go, they where dead wrong for making him a 2*. The only thing needed to be changed on wolvie was his green, so i dont know why he got the full reboot. I also apologize if i came off a little rude, this game is going down the wrong path and it's annoying.

Yeah, they definitely could have handled the tournament thing better by just adding a little blurb that said "you can sell it, but keep in mind that there may be tournaments etc etc". I think that the Wolvie healing thing might have been changed due to Patch having an identical power: I would have it liked it better as matching yellows regardless of what % health he was at, but it doesn't cripple the character. His red actually got buffed, so no complaints to be had there. It seems like you're mainly mad about how their lack of communication though (which they are working on), so I don't really see the nerfs as an indication of the game going down the wrong road.

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Gambit002 wrote:

Well since you avoided my question I guess it's option b and you're getting outwitted by the AI. Congratulations, mouth-breathers! I have never, not ONCE had an opponent stun lock me into a loss. If you do it's your own fault. Don't make my character weaker just so you can have a better chance of beating me.

It's nothing to do with what he does on defense. No one reliably loses to anything on defense, not even 2AP cascades that go on long enough to put their phones to sleep. No one ever lost to Thorverine on defense, either. Those 230/240 PvE missions? ATU trivializing absolutely anything is a lot of the reason the difficulty got cranked up that high, especially with Demiurge's love of self-correcting systems that are as likely to bork as correct themselves. Patch'n'Loki can pretty much faceroll them, too, especially with the heavy buffage of Patch in TaT, but never mind that.

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I was stunlocked several times. And couldn't do anything about it really, yellows and purples all in singles, the AI got blue and purple from top cascades. Beyond stunlock the board was without green so no swords, and the shields reduced all tile damage to -1.

Sure way more times I took the challenge and won against spiredman including 2AP one (the 3AP is way easier...)

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If I have to face a max blue Spidey, he usually has a high purple as well. Now that is annoying as hell, much worse than blue as you can steal blue with oBW with impunity/bring your own Spidey, even with a non-maxed blue, and 1-2 stunlocks won't matter much if you can deny AP prior to that. I often forget to bring Storm or another board controller to a Spidey battle and regret it because his purple shields sometimes just won't go away long after he's dead.
But I agree in that I don't think any power should cost 2 AP, it's just impossible to deny 2AP all the time, and it does a lot for a cheap cost.

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Gambit002 wrote:

Well since you avoided my question I guess it's option b and you're getting outwitted by the AI. Congratulations, mouth-breathers! I have never, not ONCE had an opponent stun lock me into a loss. If you do it's your own fault. Don't make my character weaker just so you can have a better chance of beating me.

Actually I beat Spidey teams a lot. That's not the point. Stun lock gives a player the ability to beat teams way ahead of them. It's not OP because of the AI, it's Op because of a human using it.

Understand?

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Riggy wrote:

There's several threads on this already, but OBW is fine as is. She's strong, but not broken. Her abilities are aggressively priced but still require several matches to be effective. Plus, she's squishy as heck. Target her first and by the time she's ready to fire off her recon, you just nuke her first.

This is like, literally the Kill Storm First with a few words changed

Kelbris

Unity wrote:

Classic storm sucks now

What? Her blue is a beast AoE with a stun and her green is awesome if you have a green tile generator. Did you not use storm/GSBW in the Oscorp Heroic? Kicked SO much ****. Hell, I took out 230s with 50 GS/ 40 CS / 18 DD.

She just doesn't promote a silly "Win by getting punched in the face" attitude and isn't super cool like MS. So yeah, she sucks.

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Toxicadam wrote:

The only 'imbalance' is the amount of characters that are ineffective versus one that are effective.

They should focus on that first.


OBW is fine. She's a support character that is effective.

That's pretty much it really. The problem with OBW is that she's the only good utility-based 2* cover out there. If there was more variety of useful 2* covers, we'd see more variety in team match-ups.

Right now we're in the ridiculous situation where a 2* team with OBW can beat any other 2* team... even if it has 2* OBW. With, together with the retaliation system, makes for a pointlessly stagnant trade of nothing where you don't go anywhere ever. Just plink at your opponent over and over while chaining recons for long, boring, carbon-copy fights, because that's what works and what you need to do to counter your opponent's OBW (until she dies, at least).

I wish we had some variety because of interesting choices, not because everything sucks (which it will, if they just nerf OBW).

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Unity wrote:

NorthernPolarity wrote:

Unity wrote:

If she gets nerfed because of some of you, im going to be pissed. It's like everytime someone "complains" they "balance" the game which makes it WORST. Ragnok sucks now, Thor sucks now, Wolverine kind of sucks, Classic storm sucks now, Invisible woman still sucks after buff, Spiderman is going to suck after nerf. And when is moonstone going to get her f*cking buff devs! ? Her powers vs ap cost are almost ridiculous.

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Knee-jerk reaction much? Ragnarok does suck now, but Thor and Wolvie are still among the best 2* characters in the game. I'm sorry that your 2* characters that had a 3*'s power level were nerfed to a reasonable power level, I suppose.

Im still 50/50 on the thor and wolverine thing. Needed nerfing? yes. But what i was mad about is how they released like 3 pvp's after all those people sold them. To me Thor should have been a 3* or 4* from the get go, they where dead wrong for making him a 2*. The only thing needed to be changed on wolvie was his green, so i dont know why he got the full reboot. I also apologize if i came off a little rude, this game is going down the wrong path and it's annoying.

Nice to see an apology from someone instead of more anger. Yes, there have been some issues but I am.of the feeling, character wise, that sometimes it is necessary to cull the herd in order to benefit the community as a whole. Not saying obw needs a nerf, but I am not really filled with venom over any changes in retrospect based on the changes themselves...just based on how they were implemented and whatnot. So I agree with you there. I would say they should have given a higher sell back value at the very least. The way they did the rag nerf was awful..full stop.

The yellow really did hurt wolvie but he feels more in line with the other 2** without it. I wasn't happy about it as he was nice for pve, but it wasn't an awful or unfair change either (making it require only less than 75% hp would have been better though). His red got a mild buff. Thor was utterly restructured as opposed to just simply nerfed. If thier goal was to make ppl move onto 3*** teams once they had the covers thier goal was reached by these changes imo. Now the only characters i feel are stronger than thier rating are 1* storm (who cares) Spiderman ("balancing in progress") magneto ("balancing in progress") grey suit (only compared with the field post spidey/mag nerfs if those are as harsh as prior nerfs) and obw (wouldn't be as obvious except even among 3*** there aren't many that cover purple or black).

Cap her strike tile double dip damage at, let's say 300-400 range and be done with it if anything is done. That way she still is very much viable for the strike tile buff and is still amazing as a 2**. She really shouldn't be turning patches strike tiles into mini atom bombs while she should still be working well with 2** characters like wolvie who would have a hard time getting over 300-400 strike tile damage anyway. Like many characters, part of why the espionage looks so bad is because in tournements with buffed strike tile generators she isn't getting punisher 100 damage tiles but punisher 200 damage tiles. For the Same reason 2 ap abilities are a no no a passive that double dips with strike tiles so heavily isn't really a great idea (they mentioned that it wasn't thier original intent for her black to work Like this as well but that they wanted tobgive her the ability anyway since they worked so hard on it. Basically a case of "we need to move onto the next project. It's needs a tweak but we probably won't cone back to it unless necessity dictates it."


Random side note: why do strike tiles not disappear upon death? What are they indicating? Attack tiles indicate non character based attacks such as doombots and fire ...so I get them.not leavin gthe board...but what is it that those stike tiles indicate? Bleed damage of some sort maybe? Just kinda thinking outloud.

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Moonstone is a character who is very close to being viable, but her black needs to be reworked and her purple needs to be less finnicky. We don't have very many offensive purple abilities in the game, so I would like to see her fixed next.

All characters without a 3rd ability should get one, definitely.

I'd like to see all abilities with increasing AP cost be redesigned in a different way so that players don't feel penalized for leveling up. OBW purple, IM40 yellow, etc.

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There is no way, no how, in any rational universe, that Black Widow should be doing more damage on black (purple or blue too for that matter) matches than the Hulk (at an equivalent level). I wouldn't suggest nerfing OBW though, I think Hulk needs to be buffed and do at least double damage on his primary colors at max covers. He's the freaking Hulk for cripes sake.

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Kelbris wrote:

Unity wrote:

Classic storm sucks now

What? Her blue is a beast AoE with a stun and her green is awesome if you have a green tile generator. Did you not use storm/GSBW in the Oscorp Heroic? Kicked SO much ****. Hell, I took out 230s with 50 GS/ 40 CS / 18 DD.

She just doesn't promote a silly "Win by getting punched in the face" attitude and isn't super cool like MS. So yeah, she sucks.

Yeah she sucks because why are we in another situation of a 1* being better than a 2*, Classic Storm should have modern storms green and her health is really low. Her yellow power is only good when facing hammer/maggia because they are the only ones who can actually knock your team half your health without killing off everybody, but when it comes to playing real teams (pvp) you almosy never see a whole team with c storm getting knocked half health. Sadly i only have 3 covers for gsbw, so i have not had a chance to test.

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I think IM40 should reduce to nullify the stun at r4 and r5. That would actually give some pause to actually making a decent build on him.

I think maybe a 1 turn, at a stretch 2 turn, reduction on MN mags blue at rank 5. The ap and cover investment more than makes up for that reduction.

Give Devil Dino 2 more abilities and release him into the wild.

Give bullseye c. Hawkeyes red ability as a 3rd.

Moonstone is able to choose which special tile and target location to change to.

Allow daken to have some kind of activateable 3rd ability.

Make DD actually useful.

That's all I can think of off the top of my head.

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Crazyeyeskiller wrote:

There is no way, no how, in any rational universe, that Black Widow should be doing more damage on black (purple or blue too for that matter) matches than the Hulk (at an equivalent level). I wouldn't suggest nerfing OBW though, I think Hulk needs to be buffed and do at least double damage on his primary colors at max covers. He's the freaking Hulk for cripes sake.

+1 Hulk needs a buff, I also think juggernaut should have been on hulks level ( 2* or 3*). I think they are the only real heavy hitters in the game so far.

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Unity wrote:

Crazyeyeskiller wrote:

There is no way, no how, in any rational universe, that Black Widow should be doing more damage on black (purple or blue too for that matter) matches than the Hulk (at an equivalent level). I wouldn't suggest nerfing OBW though, I think Hulk needs to be buffed and do at least double damage on his primary colors at max covers. He's the freaking Hulk for cripes sake.

+1 Hulk needs a buff, I also think juggernaut should have been on hulks level ( 2* or 3*). I think they are the only real heavy hitters in the game so far.

High-level Hulk is the only cover I actively avoid in PvP. Anger is ridiculous at higher levels.

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saints2death wrote:

Unity wrote:

Crazyeyeskiller wrote:

There is no way, no how, in any rational universe, that Black Widow should be doing more damage on black (purple or blue too for that matter) matches than the Hulk (at an equivalent level). I wouldn't suggest nerfing OBW though, I think Hulk needs to be buffed and do at least double damage on his primary colors at max covers. He's the freaking Hulk for cripes sake.

+1 Hulk needs a buff, I also think juggernaut should have been on hulks level ( 2* or 3*). I think they are the only real heavy hitters in the game so far.

High-level Hulk is the only cover I actively avoid in PvP. Anger is ridiculous at higher levels.

I forgot about that! Never mind hulk is perfect as is. I was going to say red needs a buff but than i thought that it's good he has a draw back.

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Unity wrote:

saints2death wrote:

Unity wrote:

Crazyeyeskiller wrote:

There is no way, no how, in any rational universe, that Black Widow should be doing more damage on black (purple or blue too for that matter) matches than the Hulk (at an equivalent level). I wouldn't suggest nerfing OBW though, I think Hulk needs to be buffed and do at least double damage on his primary colors at max covers. He's the freaking Hulk for cripes sake.

+1 Hulk needs a buff, I also think juggernaut should have been on hulks level ( 2* or 3*). I think they are the only real heavy hitters in the game so far.

High-level Hulk is the only cover I actively avoid in PvP. Anger is ridiculous at higher levels.

I forgot about that! Never mind hulk is perfect as is. I was going to say red needs a buff but than i thought that it's good he has a draw back.

I think his red and green powers are lackluster at best. Modern Storm's green is better pound for pound at 1* because of the AP gain. Granted Anger is a cascading monster and just great at 5 covers. I think his basic match damage should be buffed in the colors you've chosen to max him in, as a nod to his limitless strength in the comics.

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saints2death wrote:

Unity wrote:

Crazyeyeskiller wrote:

There is no way, no how, in any rational universe, that Black Widow should be doing more damage on black (purple or blue too for that matter) matches than the Hulk (at an equivalent level). I wouldn't suggest nerfing OBW though, I think Hulk needs to be buffed and do at least double damage on his primary colors at max covers. He's the freaking Hulk for cripes sake.

+1 Hulk needs a buff, I also think juggernaut should have been on hulks level ( 2* or 3*). I think they are the only real heavy hitters in the game so far.

High-level Hulk is the only cover I actively avoid in PvP. Anger is ridiculous at higher levels.

One question for you: At what level do you say, f-it, I fight him? What's your cutoff point between fighting and running? 100?

I hear a lot of opinions here, but it's clear that OBW while powerful doesn't break the game thanks to her flaws. If she was 3* and could go to 5k HP then sure.

I love my lvl 100 Spidey and I can't wait for him to get funbalanced. I have killed in the last 7 days aproximately 10,432 Spidermans. Dev's, give us the stats on this one, I kid not when I say he is the most overused character these days, at high MMR levels obviously.

I don't want to see him in every fight, because it slows the game down, and slowing the game is bad for all of us. Nobody here wants one fight to take 10 minutes. If you ever place top 10 in a tournament, you know how important it is to finish a fight in less than 2 minutes.
That's why Patch is in my opinion the best, most awesome, most adorable character in the game. You can single-handedly kill everyone else with him maxed. He is the Pai Mei of MPQ, i.e. he kills at will. I hope he stays unbalanced for a long time.

The Hulk Should be the most powerful character in the game in my opinion, and he is one of my favorite new characters design wise. Spidey makes him easy to kill though. Once Spidey gets the hammer, Patch + Hulk becomes the strongest pair in the game. So you might as well start investing in them now.

Magneto is the other dude that needs a balance, his one shot kill is bad design and needs to be toned down.

I agree that the biggest balancing issue this game faces is that most characters suck. So a round of boosts to make them more interesting seems like a good idea. I would like to see Daken's healing toned down in exchange for a 3rd skill, active. I think we need to stop cranking out new 3* characters every 2 weeks, regardless of how much money we can make off them...

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Crazyeyeskiller wrote:

One question for you: At what level do you say, f-it, I fight him? What's your cutoff point between fighting and running? 100?

I hear a lot of opinions here, but it's clear that OBW while powerful doesn't break the game thanks to her flaws. If she was 3* and could go to 5k HP then sure.

I love my lvl 100 Spidey and I can't wait for him to get funbalanced. I have killed in the last 7 days aproximately 10,432 Spidermans. Dev's, give us the stats on this one, I kid not when I say he is the most overused character these days, at high MMR levels obviously.

I don't want to see him in every fight, because it slows the game down, and slowing the game is bad for all of us. Nobody here wants one fight to take 10 minutes. If you ever place top 10 in a tournament, you know how important it is to finish a fight in less than 2 minutes.
That's why Patch is in my opinion the best, most awesome, most adorable character in the game. You can single-handedly kill everyone else with him maxed. He is the Pai Mei of MPQ, i.e. he kills at will. I hope he stays unbalanced for a long time.

The Hulk Should be the most powerful character in the game in my opinion, and he is one of my favorite new characters design wise. Spidey makes him easy to kill though. Once Spidey gets the hammer, Patch + Hulk becomes the strongest pair in the game. So you might as well start investing in them now.

Magneto is the other dude that needs a balance, his one shot kill is bad design and needs to be toned down.

I agree that the biggest balancing issue this game faces is that most characters suck. So a round of boosts to make them more interesting seems like a good idea. I would like to see Daken's healing toned down in exchange for a 3rd skill, active. I think we need to stop cranking out new 3* characters every 2 weeks, regardless of how much money we can make off them...

It's basically a risk/reward if I fight a Hulk team. If I can earn 25+ points on the fight, I'll do it every time. If he's below 20 points, I'll skip every time. 20-24, it's really a **** shoot.

And in my head it's level 85 when I actually start considering characters for skipping (except Hulk.)

And I know Spidey nulls Hulk, but I hate playing with Spidey. It's just not fun to stun lock. It's like repeating the same game over and over again. Spidey makes every group no matter character or level a win.