fsentell wrote: Can't see anyone not going 3/5/5 with him because those powers are that good. Yellow just requires too much AP for proper use.
slf02c wrote: When is Fury going to come out again as a reward?
Spoit wrote: slf02c wrote: When is Fury going to come out again as a reward? When they stop selling
Phaserhawk wrote: fsentell wrote: Can't see anyone not going 3/5/5 with him because those powers are that good. Yellow just requires too much AP for proper use. Wrong. You realize that you just need 5 red and 5 green to get the utmost dmg out of him. And you are going to get that enroute to collecting 12 yellow for the skill. I think people are severely underestimating his yellow. Yes purple is good. Get a massive strike tile out is sweet. But the only thing you really gain from maxing purple is that 1 less on the CD timer. The 9 random ap steal vs 3 is no big deal in my book. But if you max yellow you are essentially giving your self more tools to win a match. As long as you have the 5 red you do as much dmg as Escaple Plan and if you have green too, well you just cast a mini Ligtning Strike/Call of the Storm combo. If and when I ever get enough Fury covers, I would almost exclusively run him with Hood, just so I can gather AP quicker, not to mention it helps you activate Avenger's Assemble and with Hood's black you can still cast Escape Plan and then reduce the CD timer by 1. No, I think 5/5/3 is gonna be the better build with Fury. I would much rather have a maxed yellow with the ability to do lots of things, then reduce a CD timer by 1 hoping that it goes off and doesn't get destroyed
Leugenesmiff wrote: Phaserhawk wrote: fsentell wrote: Can't see anyone not going 3/5/5 with him because those powers are that good. Yellow just requires too much AP for proper use. Wrong. You realize that you just need 5 red and 5 green to get the utmost dmg out of him. And you are going to get that enroute to collecting 12 yellow for the skill. I think people are severely underestimating his yellow. Yes purple is good. Get a massive strike tile out is sweet. But the only thing you really gain from maxing purple is that 1 less on the CD timer. The 9 random ap steal vs 3 is no big deal in my book. But if you max yellow you are essentially giving your self more tools to win a match. As long as you have the 5 red you do as much dmg as Escaple Plan and if you have green too, well you just cast a mini Ligtning Strike/Call of the Storm combo. If and when I ever get enough Fury covers, I would almost exclusively run him with Hood, just so I can gather AP quicker, not to mention it helps you activate Avenger's Assemble and with Hood's black you can still cast Escape Plan and then reduce the CD timer by 1. No, I think 5/5/3 is gonna be the better build with Fury. I would much rather have a maxed yellow with the ability to do lots of things, then reduce a CD timer by 1 hoping that it goes off and doesn't get destroyed Wrong. (Actually I have no idea, all I read was your "wrong" and figured this isn't the type of guy that I'm interested in what he has to say.)
Leugenesmiff wrote: Wrong. (Actually I have no idea, all I read was your "wrong" and figured this isn't the type of guy that I'm interested in what he has to say.)
eidehua wrote: Leugenesmiff wrote: Wrong. (Actually I have no idea, all I read was your "wrong" and figured this isn't the type of guy that I'm interested in what he has to say.) Wrong. (He follows up his claim with a feasible argument).
Phantron wrote: I've been thinking about the yellow versus purple and assuming 4 tiles matched per turn and that 25% of the board can be matched at any given time, and that level 4 for purple and yellow aren't significant enough for you to care what they do, the breakdown is actually very simple. It's simply the damage done by green (is it done to everyone or the two non targeted guys) versus 20% improvement on Escape Plan on offense and 33.3% improvement on defense. I'll assume green does 2000 damage to 3 people because I don't have any other stats to work with, so we get the following breakdown: We assume on offense you have enough green 100% of the time because you can just wait until you have 5 green, so Escape Plan has to do 5*(2000*3) = 30000 damage to beat Avengers Assemble on offense. This is an amount that will usually kill the other team which Escape Plan most certainly does not do, so Avengers Assemble is way better on offense. Note that this doesn't mean Avengers Assemble beats Escape Plan overall, but the tradeoff between 5th yellow versus 5th purple on offense would require Escape Plan to do more than 54000 damage to give up the 5th yellow cover. On defense I'll assume you have enough green to trigger it 50% of the time, so Escape Plan has to do 3*(2000*3)*0.5 = 9000 damage on defense. You can play around with the % chance you're supposed to have enough green tiles and how much of the board is matchable at any given time (higher is better for Escape Plan) though I think these numbers are fairly favorable for Escape Plan already. So the conclusion I get is that Avengers Assemble is vastly better on offense, while Escape Plan is likely better on defense. However, since Nick Fury already brings a ton of offense, perhaps it's worth sacrificing some offense for better defense. The results are that way because you gain relatively little for Escape Plan on offense, because the computer makes no attempt to try to match the tile so you can estimate its chance of being destroyed by the average tile matched which means the improvement from 3 to 2 turn CD is small, while Avengers Assemble will almost always have enough to do its green component on offense. On defense, the situation is reversed. You can't count on the AI to always have enough AP, so the effect of the 5th cover is diminished. On the other hand, since a human will always try to destroy the Escape Plan tile, this makes the improvement from 3 to 2 CD a much bigger impact. The 20% figure for offense assumes you're just as likely to destroy your own CD tile so it's probably lower than that. The consideration for what the yellow, red, or purple powers segment of Avengers Assemble has no relevance because you can't refund those covers for a 6th level of Demolition or something else.
Phantron wrote: One thing I glossed over is team composition, as I assume Fury has the best/only skill of all 3 colors. If you include Thor, there's only a 50% chance whether Avengers Assemble will be used at all on defense (same cost), which drives its value down to 25% (50% chance it'll be used, 50% chance you'll have enough green) which puts Escape Plan easily over it on defense. You can even argue that Thunder Strike is better than Avengers Assemble so you'll use it 0% of the time on offense too. If you're pairing Fury with Thor, 3/5/5 is probably best just because Thunder Strike likely does trump Avengers Assemble. It's far less certain for even Sentry, the other major yellow powerhouse. As powerful as Sacrifice is, it does not immediately end the game like Thunder Strike often does, and there are certainly a lot of ways to stop it and it's pretty bad on defense against a prepared opponent. Due to a lack of meaningful purple power, Escape Plan will almost always get used. Even if you pair him up with Magneto, 10 and 12 AP both require 4 matches, so you'll probably get Escape Plan over MT most of the time.
Phaserhawk wrote: Leugenesmiff wrote: Phaserhawk wrote: fsentell wrote: Can't see anyone not going 3/5/5 with him because those powers are that good. Yellow just requires too much AP for proper use. Wrong. You realize that you just need 5 red and 5 green to get the utmost dmg out of him. And you are going to get that enroute to collecting 12 yellow for the skill. I think people are severely underestimating his yellow. Yes purple is good. Get a massive strike tile out is sweet. But the only thing you really gain from maxing purple is that 1 less on the CD timer. The 9 random ap steal vs 3 is no big deal in my book. But if you max yellow you are essentially giving your self more tools to win a match. As long as you have the 5 red you do as much dmg as Escaple Plan and if you have green too, well you just cast a mini Ligtning Strike/Call of the Storm combo. If and when I ever get enough Fury covers, I would almost exclusively run him with Hood, just so I can gather AP quicker, not to mention it helps you activate Avenger's Assemble and with Hood's black you can still cast Escape Plan and then reduce the CD timer by 1. No, I think 5/5/3 is gonna be the better build with Fury. I would much rather have a maxed yellow with the ability to do lots of things, then reduce a CD timer by 1 hoping that it goes off and doesn't get destroyed Wrong. (Actually I have no idea, all I read was your "wrong" and figured this isn't the type of guy that I'm interested in what he has to say.) So you are the typical person who only wants to hear what they want to hear regardless if you are right or wrong?
Thepenismightier wrote: Phaserhawk wrote: Leugenesmiff wrote: Wrong. (Actually I have no idea, all I read was your "wrong" and figured this isn't the type of guy that I'm interested in what he has to say.) So you are the typical person who only wants to hear what they want to hear regardless if you are right or wrong? Wrong. He was pointing out how rude it was to start your comment off with "wrong," and how such rude people aren't who he chooses to listen to. Funny how he was down voted for it. I applaud him. Someone should school kids these days on manners on the internet. It's like they forget they're talking to real people.
Phaserhawk wrote: Leugenesmiff wrote: Wrong. (Actually I have no idea, all I read was your "wrong" and figured this isn't the type of guy that I'm interested in what he has to say.) So you are the typical person who only wants to hear what they want to hear regardless if you are right or wrong?