Ascended Winners and Losers

3* Like Cage, lvl451 unboosted. AP costs are obviously stupid but wow...

@Pantera236 said:

@entrailbucket said:
3* Like Cage, lvl451 unboosted. AP costs are obviously stupid but wow...

Even at 13 yellow I'm not mad at it. What's his health at?

It's not bad. I don't remember where this puts him at 550.

@Pantera236 said:

@entrailbucket said:

@Pantera236 said:

@entrailbucket said:
3* Like Cage, lvl451 unboosted. AP costs are obviously stupid but wow...

Even at 13 yellow I'm not mad at it. What's his health at?

It's not bad. I don't remember where this puts him at 550.

After I asked I went and looked at your roster. He's got roughly same health as hotpool and he has 175k at 550.

Ah right. The scaling factor 450->550 is about x2 for health and about x2.5 for power damage. Then it's the same numbers for 550->672.

Edit -- this is completely wrong, see below.

Petition to change his in game name to Luke W Cage

Hey, don't overlook the fact that you get a strength 4500 protect tile every single turn for free (if he's boosted it'll be almost 10k, too).

I have a feeling Luke Cage is going to start showing up on those lists of "best guys to ascend" now -- I want royalties!

@entrailbucket said:
Hey, don't overlook the fact that you get a strength 4500 protect tile every single turn for free (if he's boosted it'll be almost 10k, too).

I have a feeling Luke Cage is going to start showing up on those lists of "best guys to ascend" now -- I want royalties!

Hey, maybe I can go back to running luke cage, iron fist and doc strange like I did when I didn't have anything better! Progress!

@LavaManLee said:
The biggest issue, IMHO, is with a 550 MT/SC, none of that is relevant. A 10k protect tile? Shrug. Even the damage with saving 12 Yellow. By the time you have saved 12 Yellow, the battle is probably over. I don't know what the answer is. Not sure if there is an answer. But outside of a few boosted characters (and some lucky starting boards) there is almost no team that a non-boosted 550 MT/SC can't mop up.

Is that good? Is that bad? I don't know. That's for other minds to debate. But that definitely is a fact and one worth considering.

I haven't found a single team, including many sets of dual 672s with optimal supports (and I have quite a few of them) that doesn't lose on defense to m'Thor/Shang-Chi.

So I'm not sure if that's relevant to specific character evaluations -- again, there is no character in the game, at any level, that can stand up to those two (and they don't even have to be 550 -- I lose to lower level ones as well). I strongly suspect that all future characters will suffer the same fate as well.

Put another way, while it's true that 3->5 Luke Cage loses to m'Thor/Shang-Chi, so does literally everyone else, both present and future, so it's hard for me to hold that against him in particular. If I compare him to other characters, he still seems pretty strong.

The best part is attack tiles are about 20% the value of a protect tile (maybe less), yet his attack tile comes out half the strength of Luke's protect. Someone on the inside doesn't like Ironfist.

@entrailbucket said:

@Timemachinego said:

@entrailbucket said:
Hey, don't overlook the fact that you get a strength 4500 protect tile every single turn for free (if he's boosted it'll be almost 10k, too).

I have a feeling Luke Cage is going to start showing up on those lists of "best guys to ascend" now -- I want royalties!

Hey, maybe I can go back to running luke cage, iron fist and doc strange like I did when I didn't have anything better! Progress!

Unfortunately Luke Cage got all the numbers in the Heroes for Hire partnership. Iron Fist is not very good.

Lvl452, unboosted:

Sadly that damage on Iron Fist of K'un-Lun is better than Echo's version (456 unboosted):

@entrailbucket said:
Just in case anybody forgot about him (lvl606, boosted stats):

If you have lvl5 Tinkerer you only need 1 black AP.

This week I'm running 672 1a5 Juggs and a 468 pre boost Prowler with implanted bomb on Juggs and Tinkerer on Prowler. I take +2 all and + 2 red green and black. I'm starting the match with 10 black so fire Prowler for 60k in strikes, make one black match and bomb gives you 1 more black ap (not sure if always but seemed to be) so can fire black again for 60k more strikes. Oh and Tinkerer hits for like 5k + strikes every time you match a fortified enemy tile. It gets pretty crazy.