Grand Experiment 2: Treading Water in the SCL 10 Post-Shardpocalypse

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  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,549 Chairperson of the Boards

    I did a comparison in one of the other threads comparing the 4:1 exchange.

    The first four levels of a champ 4* are:
    LT
    2CP
    2500 iso
    2CP

    Compared to 4:1
    LT

    Then:
    50hp
    2CP
    2500 iso
    2CP

    Compared to 4:1
    5000 iso

    Then:
    50hp
    LT/Cover
    2500 iso
    3cp

    Compared to 4:1
    25cp

    Then:
    50hp
    3cp
    2500 iso
    3cp

    Compared to 4:1
    250 hp

    So the first 29 levels (base 13 covers + 16) work out to:
    4* dupe
    1x LT/1 cover or 2x lt
    150hp
    7500 iso
    13cp

    And 5* jump up:
    1x LT
    5k iso
    25cp
    250 hp

    So you’re down a little iso, and up on HP and CP to go with ascendant at lower (more achievable) champ levels. 5* rewards do step up a few times when you get closer to the 500s. Whether you want to go that route is up to you of course.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,841 Chairperson of the Boards

    Oh, see, then for me it's not even close. I have so much iso I could never spend it all anyway, so I'll take the HP (and especially) CP every single time!

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,549 Chairperson of the Boards

    My concern I guess is just whether or not my pull rate is going to tank if 3 out of 4 covers are falling into a black hole.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,841 Chairperson of the Boards

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:
    My concern I guess is just whether or not my pull rate is going to tank if 3 out of 4 covers are falling into a black hole.

    ...only one way to find out!

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,549 Chairperson of the Boards

    And no way to recover! Yolo

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,549 Chairperson of the Boards

    It occurs to me that ascendant 1 and 2* rewards are the real wildcard here that may make it viable to not run a dupe.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,841 Chairperson of the Boards

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:
    It occurs to me that ascendant 1 and 2* rewards are the real wildcard here that may make it viable to not run a dupe.

    My 5* IM35 is lvl493...even at 4 covers per level, those will go fast.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,549 Chairperson of the Boards

    Did you buy that one, or did you already pull down that many covers?

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,841 Chairperson of the Boards

    @ThaRoadWarrior said:
    Did you buy that one, or did you already pull down that many covers?

    I bought the $20 lvl450 one, and I spent some of the "mistake" rewards on repeatedly buying out that glorious 1* vault (it's so cheap that if you have most of the characters ascended, the rewards pay for themselves!).

    I got a bunch from just playing though -- accumulating 1* is very fast.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,549 Chairperson of the Boards

    I’ve ascended Gwenpool to 450; haven’t played her yet though. I moved my 4* to ghost rider.

    Currently my ascended characters are:
    Rogue: 457
    Medusa: 455
    Valkyrie: 453
    Sabretooth: 452
    Hulkbuster: 451
    Gwenpool: 450

    2* Cap 3: 166 (got this from a token I think)
    1* storm 2: 102
    1* spider-man 2: 98
    1* iron man 2: 97

    Psylocke’s dupe is short a few covers, and 3* Deadpool has a dupe in flight as well but it was just started.

  • rainkingucd
    rainkingucd Posts: 1,527 Chairperson of the Boards

    I think for those that got in on Ascension Day (as @dramatist pointed out), won't have to worry about LL ever again if you're not going for 550 batches.

    I ascended all my 3* (many of which I had both max champed already), and most of the 4* I could. I went from 3 LL to 220. And with Rex/Omega/Vulture all champed already, that pile will just kind of sit for a while as people rotate in an out. I tend to pull until the next character leaving is ~460, then save until the next rotation. That will leave all my CP for...

    Classics! Most importantly, I probably spent ~3300 CP on classics when all was said and done. I had about 1500 I think, and then the rewards kept stacking. It enabled me to finish up dupes for a few characters, get other characters to 282 so I could 4x dip on LL/CP, and also get at least 1 extra 5* from my feeders.

    The only bad thing on ascension day was I tested ascension with my Moon Knight without champing the dupe, and didn't get the freebie rewards.

  • Vhailorx
    Vhailorx Posts: 6,085 Chairperson of the Boards

    @rainkingucd said:
    I think for those that got in on Ascension Day (as @dramatist pointed out), won't have to worry about LL ever again if you're not going for 550 batches.

    I ascended all my 3* (many of which I had both max champed already), and most of the 4* I could. I went from 3 LL to 220. And with Rex/Omega/Vulture all champed already, that pile will just kind of sit for a while as people rotate in an out. I tend to pull until the next character leaving is ~460, then save until the next rotation. That will leave all my CP for...

    Classics! Most importantly, I probably spent ~3300 CP on classics when all was said and done. I had about 1500 I think, and then the rewards kept stacking. It enabled me to finish up dupes for a few characters, get other characters to 282 so I could 4x dip on LL/CP, and also get at least 1 extra 5* from my feeders.

    The only bad thing on ascension day was I tested ascension with my Moon Knight without champing the dupe, and didn't get the freebie rewards.

    Sadly, 220 LTs is barely enough to chase one set of 5* characters in the LT pool, so I very much doubt that anyone is "post-LT," even after the botched rewards.

  • rainkingucd
    rainkingucd Posts: 1,527 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Vhailorx said:

    @rainkingucd said:
    I think for those that got in on Ascension Day (as @dramatist pointed out), won't have to worry about LL ever again if you're not going for 550 batches.

    I ascended all my 3* (many of which I had both max champed already), and most of the 4* I could. I went from 3 LL to 220. And with Rex/Omega/Vulture all champed already, that pile will just kind of sit for a while as people rotate in an out. I tend to pull until the next character leaving is ~460, then save until the next rotation. That will leave all my CP for...

    Classics! Most importantly, I probably spent ~3300 CP on classics when all was said and done. I had about 1500 I think, and then the rewards kept stacking. It enabled me to finish up dupes for a few characters, get other characters to 282 so I could 4x dip on LL/CP, and also get at least 1 extra 5* from my feeders.

    The only bad thing on ascension day was I tested ascension with my Moon Knight without champing the dupe, and didn't get the freebie rewards.

    Sadly, 220 LTs is barely enough to chase one set of 5* characters in the LT pool, so I very much doubt that anyone is "post-LT," even after the botched rewards.

    I think for people in this thread, those that are "keeping up" or borderline keeping up, and not 550ing, it is more than enough. I know it's a fringe case, and not normal for many, but at least with that as the starting point for me, I will cover.

    More LTs are accrued with regular play. All 5* will get at least 4 covers from Boss Events/PVE Features, potentially more from retro feeders (not guaranteed, but fairly regular so far), and extra help from bonus shards now. I don't think 300 pulls is truly necessary anymore with the way bonus shards can help target and shape the last couple of covers into a champ-able character

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Vhailorx said:

    @rainkingucd said:
    I think for those that got in on Ascension Day (as @dramatist pointed out), won't have to worry about LL ever again if you're not going for 550 batches.

    I ascended all my 3* (many of which I had both max champed already), and most of the 4* I could. I went from 3 LL to 220. And with Rex/Omega/Vulture all champed already, that pile will just kind of sit for a while as people rotate in an out. I tend to pull until the next character leaving is ~460, then save until the next rotation. That will leave all my CP for...

    Classics! Most importantly, I probably spent ~3300 CP on classics when all was said and done. I had about 1500 I think, and then the rewards kept stacking. It enabled me to finish up dupes for a few characters, get other characters to 282 so I could 4x dip on LL/CP, and also get at least 1 extra 5* from my feeders.

    The only bad thing on ascension day was I tested ascension with my Moon Knight without champing the dupe, and didn't get the freebie rewards.

    Sadly, 220 LTs is barely enough to chase one set of 5* characters in the LT pool, so I very much doubt that anyone is "post-LT," even after the botched rewards.

    He has 3 months to get his normal 300, in addition to the 200 he got from ascension.
    Easy to keep pace unless you completely stop playing.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,549 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited October 2023

    It’s been interesting earning champ rewards from 1* covers. I’m definitely looking forward to standard tokens now. I can tell that I’ll be iso poor again before too long ascending characters - I’ve been in stasis around 2 mil the way I play for months, and I’m down in the 900k range now since I’m basically rechamping the 4* tier at a faster pace than my earn rate.

  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,549 Chairperson of the Boards

    Finished up Vulture with some lightning deal 500hp for 5* shards, so I’m caught up to latest again.

  • rainkingucd
    rainkingucd Posts: 1,527 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited November 2023

    With Ascension Round 2 coming soon, I am prepped and ready (at least at the 1-3* range).

    With my Ascension Day haul, plus retro rewards due to the bug fix, the latest are:
    Omega Red: 475 (my 3rd highest toon now)
    Vulture: 461
    Miles: 458
    with Peggy sitting at 8 covers.

    Even after getting Miles up to 458, I'm still sitting on 220 LL. I don't foresee any issues with keeping up so my ascension plans going forward will probably be a hybrid approach.

    4*: Max-Max is one way to go, but my 4* will take forever to get there (my highest level 4* dupes were Captain Marvel and Medusa at ~340s, but I already ascended Medusa), and I prefer to use the ascended characters rather than hold out for rewards.

    2* / 3*: Max-Max on the 2* / 3* seems logical as I have been building most of those in the background already, but I think when it is time to get those ascended 2* / 3* characters up to 5*, I'll go the quicker Max-Min route on the dupes

    Characters that I need to be lower level to function I will hold off on (I ascended Valkyrie and kind of regret it, but didn't ascend 4* Deadpool)

    Current Favourites:
    5*: Okoye to generally just bring up her levels since everyone else is champed
    4*: Polaris as I am building up a solid base to ascend her when she's eligible
    3*: Omega Red as he is the only ascendable 3* that I haven't ascended yet. The dupe is at 185 so I just got the Sabretooth covers, but maybe I should ascend him already to speed up the process. Decisions decisions.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,841 Chairperson of the Boards

    4* Deadpool is a really tough call, because when you ascend him, you mostly lose his passive, but get a TON of extra damage on his purple, which is one of the best mThor counters in the game. One cast of that is often enough to kill her.

  • DrClever
    DrClever Posts: 584 Critical Contributor

    That passive is the only reason I use him at 4* level so is assumed I wouldn't ascend him, but you make a good point about his MThor countering prowess.

    In a few years time when I have that decision to make it might be a toughie.

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