Grand Experiment 2: Treading Water in the SCL 10 Post-Shardpocalypse

dramatist

You get 20% more pulls using cp for classics. You should get almost 20% more 4* covers and a bit more than 20% extra 5* covers. You also get 20% more shards and 20% more chances at bonus shards. This leads to 20% more rewards. This all seems like a good trade off for a bit of randomness unless you’re specifically trying to grow a particular 5*.

Vhailorx

@dramatist said:
You get 20% more pulls using cp for classics. You should get almost 20% more 4* covers and a bit more than 20% extra 5* covers. You also get 20% more shards and 20% more chances at bonus shards. This leads to 20% more rewards. This all seems like a good trade off for a bit of randomness unless you’re specifically trying to grow a particular 5*.

As of a few months ago at least, there was a lower rate of bonus shards for classics. I never did the math though to figure out if the lower bonus rate was basically offset by the lower cost of classics, so the bonus shard/cp ratio was even, or if one option produced more bonus shards in the long run.

Bowgentle

@KGB said:

@Bowgentle said:
Bonus shards matter A LOT.
Whenever I pull a couple of hundred, the faved 4 gets 20+ levels, and the 5 gets 4 to 5.

A lot relative to what? If 200 extra draws nets 20+ 4 star levels and 4-5 5 star levels then using the math above that's +30 4 star covers and +6 5 star covers in a whole year (based on 30K cp in classics vs latest). Compared to 1000+ covers earned per year (from all sources), 35 more is a rounding error.

KGB

I mean sure everything is relative.
Would you rather have no bonus shards?
I don't get that post.

ThaRoadWarrior

Juggernaut is probably the newest, but I ground him to max on purpose because I use him on my easy node clear team daily.

KGB

@Bowgentle said:

@KGB said:

@Bowgentle said:
Bonus shards matter A LOT.
Whenever I pull a couple of hundred, the faved 4 gets 20+ levels, and the 5 gets 4 to 5.

A lot relative to what? If 200 extra draws nets 20+ 4 star levels and 4-5 5 star levels then using the math above that's +30 4 star covers and +6 5 star covers in a whole year (based on 30K cp in classics vs latest). Compared to 1000+ covers earned per year (from all sources), 35 more is a rounding error.

KGB

I mean sure everything is relative.
Would you rather have no bonus shards?
I don't get that post.

Someone asked about factoring in bonus heroes when I was doing the back of the envelope math on how many extra covers you'd earn in a year drawing Classics vs Latest. I said the extra bonus heroes changed the math by a minimal amount when considering the difference so I hadn't bothered to do it (420 covers without bonus heroes or 450 with isn't a big difference on over all roster level when you have to distribute those +30 covers across 220+ characters).

Then you wrote about shards mattering a lot and I wrote my reply. Obviously every last cover matters since it improves your roster in some manner. It's just that when considering Classic vs Latest CP pulls it doesn't advance your roster much at all if you get +30 covers a year when you consider that's across 220+ characters (averages less than 1/10 of a cover).

We are just talking about 2 different things.

KGB

BriMan2222

@dramatist said:
You get 20% more pulls using cp for classics. You should get almost 20% more 4* covers and a bit more than 20% extra 5* covers. You also get 20% more shards and 20% more chances at bonus shards. This leads to 20% more rewards. This all seems like a good trade off for a bit of randomness unless you’re specifically trying to grow a particular 5*.

I had about 1500 cp saved up and noticed that Wanda is featured in classics. She's my next 5 star I'm trying to 550 so I thought, What the heck I'll give classics a try. I got 3 covers for her plus 3 covers in bonus shards, plus a bunch of random other 5 stars. Just from the small amount of CP I pulled, the difference between the amount of rewards when I have pulled a similar amount of CP from latest or a special store was noticeable. I think I've been converted to using my CP on classics now.

rainkingucd

@BriMan2222 said:

@dramatist said:
You get 20% more pulls using cp for classics. You should get almost 20% more 4* covers and a bit more than 20% extra 5* covers. You also get 20% more shards and 20% more chances at bonus shards. This leads to 20% more rewards. This all seems like a good trade off for a bit of randomness unless you’re specifically trying to grow a particular 5*.

I had about 1500 cp saved up and noticed that Wanda is featured in classics. She's my next 5 star I'm trying to 550 so I thought, What the heck I'll give classics a try. I got 3 covers for her plus 3 covers in bonus shards, plus a bunch of random other 5 stars. Just from the small amount of CP I pulled, the difference between the amount of rewards when I have pulled a similar amount of CP from latest or a special store was noticeable. I think I've been converted to using my CP on classics now.

One of us, one of us!

entrailbucket

Welcome to the team!

Bowgentle

I have to admit I spent a few thousand on the Wanda Colossus boosted incarnation of classics.
Still not going all in, but I... Dabble occasionally.

rainkingucd

@Bowgentle said:
I have to admit I spent a few thousand on the Wanda Colossus boosted incarnation of classics.
Still not going all in, but I... Dabble occasionally.

Join us ...

rainkingucd

With Goose (Chewie!) out, I'm going to go all in on her as my 3* favourite. Nearly all of my current 3* are Max-Max or close to as I kept my dupes when BCS was handing out all those retro rewards, so I have no real need to target any 3* unless I really wanted one in particular the 5* level.

So now I'll test how long it takes to max a 3* from scratch (hehe) before I can ascend.

DrClever

@rainkingucd said:
So now I'll test how long it takes to max a 3* from scratch (hehe) before I can ascend.

Great plan - keep us up to date.

entrailbucket

Well, today I finished 550ing Wasp. She's my 30th.

I think this means I win MPQ.

dramatist

I pulled 50 Latests this morning and Peggy is now 4,4,4 and the other two are baby champed.

I then decided that adding I don’t need any CP buffer to keep up with Latests. I pulled all my CP in Classics and did 303 pulls. First thing I realized is that it took a long time to pull. I think the maximum I’ve ever pulled before today is about 60 individual pulls. I got 64 5* covers. Of the 5*s with increased odds I got 6 Thor, 6 Carnage and 4 Magneto.

I really got a lot of covers for the featured 4s with about 20 covers each for Deadpool, Shuri and OsCorp Spidey. I also got 7 shard covers for Mighty Thor who is now my highest 5 at 497 and 33 covers on my 4* shard target Melinda May who is now level 352.

I also spent about 1.4 million Iso champing 4* dupes and raising 5* Peggy to 435.

entrailbucket

They really need to give us a multi-pull option for classics. After the ascension rewards it took me FOREVER to spend all that CP one pull at a time.

KGB

@entrailbucket said:
Well, today I finished 550ing Wasp. She's my 30th.

I think this means I win MPQ.

550 Bagman wins MPQ.

The day someone hits that, the game shuts down and the loading screen just displays the winners name

KGB

ThaRoadWarrior

I wonder does anybody have an ascended Taskmaster yet?

Bowgentle

@ThaRoadWarrior said:
I wonder does anybody have an ascended Taskmaster yet?

Do you really have to ask?
Of course bucket does.

entrailbucket

@ThaRoadWarrior said:
I wonder does anybody have an ascended Taskmaster yet?

I'm a little hurt that you'd even ask this. Mine is lvl452.

ThaRoadWarrior

Yeah I suppose I should have known lol. Mine is only 322, not nearly as poor as Ham, who I only have at 290. I don't believe I'll ever get him over. Devil D is 345, I guess there is a real world where I baby ascend him.