Classic Legends Pack Overhaul Survey

Bad

To calculate, in theory, how many pulls are needed for to champ the 3 featured ones is easy: in a 220 pulls hoard with 50 5*s (generous odds), there would be up to 8.
Then triple it . X4 better. Then add something more to compensate.
It should be more or less 1000 pulls.
For to champ the featured 3.
However this is unfair because it doesn't take into account what the classic store is good for: 20 cps saves a lot of pulls, and the new system will reward A LOT of favorite shards in the process.
So everything adds up and people who were pulling classics before will be more pleased now.

Phumade

@Bad said:
To calculate, in theory, how many pulls are needed for to champ the 3 featured ones is easy: in a 220 pulls hoard with 50 5*s (generous odds), there would be up to 8.
Then triple it . X4 better. Then add something more to compensate.
It should be more or less 1000 pulls.
For to champ the featured 3.
However this is unfair because it doesn't take into account what the classic store is good for: 20 cps saves a lot of pulls, and the new system will reward A LOT of favorite shards in the process.
So everything adds up and people who were pulling classics before will be more pleased now.

could be a good idea actually. I'm really pleased about the new bonus shard system. It does feel like a more reliable way to acquire covers.

So the comparison is;

1. Directly buying LLs at 25cp vs.

2. Buying 20cp LL and relying on your 5* favorite, bonus shard drops, plus the 5cp discount and rewards assoc etc. etc.

If your at the point where you've built strong farms, you could very realistically just spend your cp on classic and champ the latest solely through:
a. 5* favorite shards.
b. bonus shard drops.
c. assume you have the feeder farms drop 5-10 covers.
d. the volume of 4* covers to reliable drop more resources etc.

The trade off is the ability to focus your cp on random stores to bolster META tier chars.

if your confident that you can always champ the latest 5* with 3 seasons, then a 20% (5/25) bump in increased focused 5* shards is a more reliable way to boost someone to 500 vs waiting for a special store and then breaking your cp hoard.

But clearly if you know a specific store in coming within 3 months, you should always hoard cp for a direct spend. But if its some uncertain 5* and you have no idea on their next store appearance... you can draw your own conclusion. Just remember steady consistent predictable rewards has always been the holy grail for the forumites.

DAZ0273

@Tony_Foot said:

I’d say it’s maybe useful if you are chasing chasing a cover or two.

This is me.The guys I want need 2 or 3 covers but they are people such as DD, PPSM, Surfer, Banner who are probably never gonna win a popular player vote, so I doubt this will ever be useful to me in this format but we can only wait and see.

atomzed

@DAZ0273 said:

@Tony_Foot said:

I’d say it’s maybe useful if you are chasing chasing a cover or two.

This is me.The guys I want need 2 or 3 covers but they are people such as DD, PPSM, Surfer, Banner who are probably never gonna win a popular player vote, so I doubt this will ever be useful to me in this format but we can only wait and see.

If you are just chasing 2 or 3 covers, it may be more reliable to use the bonus shards. I been using this method to target Wong, and managed to get around 4-5 covers from bonus shards alone over the past 2 months.

ThaRoadWarrior

@Timemachinego said:

@ThaRoadWarrior said:
I think the most recent character to drop out of latest should have increased Classic odds every rotation, aside from that I really don’t care who else is boosted since I’m also in the Full RNG plan.

If I'm spending in Classics the last thing I want is the last LL; I've already got them where I want them.

Having been spending all in on Classic for most of the year, I’ve had one or two drop into Classic missing a cover or two. I think some longshot odds on whoever dropped out would be good for most people doing that.

Scofie

@ThaRoadWarrior said:

@Timemachinego said:

@ThaRoadWarrior said:
I think the most recent character to drop out of latest should have increased Classic odds every rotation, aside from that I really don’t care who else is boosted since I’m also in the Full RNG plan.

If I'm spending in Classics the last thing I want is the last LL; I've already got them where I want them.

Having been spending all in on Classic for most of the year, I’ve had one or two drop into Classic missing a cover or two. I think some longshot odds on whoever dropped out would be good for most people doing that.

I was the same until about 12-18 months ago. More 5 star covers and feeders and higher 4* levels with increased CP and LL yield have meant that hasn't happened to me in a while (though Wong was a near-miss due to RNG).

I recognise, though, that a majority of players are not in that position and will just welcome almost any purple cover whenever it flashes up!

entrailbucket

@atomzed said:

@DAZ0273 said:

@Tony_Foot said:

I’d say it’s maybe useful if you are chasing chasing a cover or two.

This is me.The guys I want need 2 or 3 covers but they are people such as DD, PPSM, Surfer, Banner who are probably never gonna win a popular player vote, so I doubt this will ever be useful to me in this format but we can only wait and see.

If you are just chasing 2 or 3 covers, it may be more reliable to use the bonus shards. I been using this method to target Wong, and managed to get around 4-5 covers from bonus shards alone over the past 2 months.

Right, that's exactly what the bonus system is for. And it works!

ZeiramMR

Just remember the bonus shard system for Classic Tokens favors 4* shards over 5*, unlike the Latest Legendary tokens. So while you'll get a few more shards before bonuses, just from being able to spend less CP per token, I think you'll overall do worse on 5* shards due to the random bonus chances.

entrailbucket

More 4* just equals more grist for the mill of champion rewards. It's not, like, just a few more 4*, either. And it's not just a little bit cheaper per token. Over time, 20% more pulls is A LOT more pulls.

ThaRoadWarrior

1:6 5* pull odds so far seems SIGNIFICANTLY higher pull rate in my anecdotal experience as well.

dianetics

20 cp per pull and a pull rate of 1:6. This is on top of the new shards bonuses.

If you want to cover a classic character pulling on classics when you sharget that character is the way to go.

I put 5 levels on okoye in the last month pulling from latest alone.

20% increased pulls with a higher shard reward rate is a recipe for winning.

entrailbucket

It's just weird. I get frustrated, because I've been doing the classics/farming thing forever and it works for me, but for years, every time I'd talk about it, people would either tell me my actual experience was wrong and it didn't actually work, or make increasingly bizarre excuses for why it only worked for me and could never work for anyone else (you've been playing forever, you're in a top alliance (ha, not anymore!), you're not free to play, etc).

Now there is an actual documented example of another player doing the same thing, and it working exactly the same way, and plenty of others offering similar evidence. PLUS they've significantly improved classics relatively recently, and people are STILL like "nope classics are awful, won't ever pull unless they do [insert X completely unrealistic thing]"

ThaRoadWarrior

I can tell people still want this to be a way to get what they want in bulk all at once, but really this feels like a “last mile” solution for pulling down that last cover or two for one of the featured characters. I would be shocked to find out somebody was seriously hoarding to try and cover a specific 5* out of Classic, or try to 550 one all at once.

Zarqa

@entrailbucket said:
It's just weird. I get frustrated, because I've been doing the classics/farming thing forever and it works for me, but for years, every time I'd talk about it, people would either tell me my actual experience was wrong and it didn't actually work, or make increasingly bizarre excuses for why it only worked for me and could never work for anyone else (you've been playing forever, you're in a top alliance (ha, not anymore!), you're not free to play, etc).

Now there is an actual documented example of another player doing the same thing, and it working exactly the same way, and plenty of others offering similar evidence. PLUS they've significantly improved classics relatively recently, and people are STILL like "nope classics are awful, won't ever pull unless they do [insert X completely unrealistic thing]"

In case it makes you feel any less frustrated, @ThaRoadWarrior ‘s epic experiment thread and your conversation with them made me decide to go the slow and steady classic pulling route once I’ve rostered all 5s and when anniversary is over.

DAZ0273

@atomzed said:

@DAZ0273 said:

@Tony_Foot said:

I’d say it’s maybe useful if you are chasing chasing a cover or two.

This is me.The guys I want need 2 or 3 covers but they are people such as DD, PPSM, Surfer, Banner who are probably never gonna win a popular player vote, so I doubt this will ever be useful to me in this format but we can only wait and see.

If you are just chasing 2 or 3 covers, it may be more reliable to use the bonus shards. I been using this method to target Wong, and managed to get around 4-5 covers from bonus shards alone over the past 2 months.

Yeah that is what I am doing.

Zarqa

@ThaRoadWarrior said:
I can tell people still want this to be a way to get what they want in bulk all at once, but really this feels like a “last mile” solution for pulling down that last cover or two for one of the featured characters. I would be shocked to find out somebody was seriously hoarding to try and cover a specific 5* out of Classic, or try to 550 one all at once.

I fully agree and tried to share some math earlier to show it. The 14x odds still means that a specific release store is much better to focus on one specific character.

DAZ0273

@entrailbucket said:
It's just weird. I get frustrated, because I've been doing the classics/farming thing forever and it works for me, but for years, every time I'd talk about it, people would either tell me my actual experience was wrong and it didn't actually work, or make increasingly bizarre excuses for why it only worked for me and could never work for anyone else (you've been playing forever, you're in a top alliance (ha, not anymore!), you're not free to play, etc).

Now there is an actual documented example of another player doing the same thing, and it working exactly the same way, and plenty of others offering similar evidence. PLUS they've significantly improved classics relatively recently, and people are STILL like "nope classics are awful, won't ever pull unless they do [insert X completely unrealistic thing]"

Where are people saying that?

Zarqa

@DAZ0273 said:

@entrailbucket said:
It's just weird. I get frustrated, because I've been doing the classics/farming thing forever and it works for me, but for years, every time I'd talk about it, people would either tell me my actual experience was wrong and it didn't actually work, or make increasingly bizarre excuses for why it only worked for me and could never work for anyone else (you've been playing forever, you're in a top alliance (ha, not anymore!), you're not free to play, etc).

Now there is an actual documented example of another player doing the same thing, and it working exactly the same way, and plenty of others offering similar evidence. PLUS they've significantly improved classics relatively recently, and people are STILL like "nope classics are awful, won't ever pull unless they do [insert X completely unrealistic thing]"

Where are people saying that?

Discord definitely has some people who are convinced pulling Classics is a waste of CP, and hoarding for Anniversary or a 550 pull is the only way to go

entrailbucket

A few people in this very thread are saying some version of that!

The sentiment is also pretty universal in Line and in Discord, and anyplace else that high level players congregate.

The real problem is that when everyone follows the same roster building strategy, everyone ends up with the same roster. And fighting against 1000 players that all have the same roster makes for a pretty boring metagame.

Bowgentle

@Zarqa said:

@DAZ0273 said:

@entrailbucket said:
It's just weird. I get frustrated, because I've been doing the classics/farming thing forever and it works for me, but for years, every time I'd talk about it, people would either tell me my actual experience was wrong and it didn't actually work, or make increasingly bizarre excuses for why it only worked for me and could never work for anyone else (you've been playing forever, you're in a top alliance (ha, not anymore!), you're not free to play, etc).

Now there is an actual documented example of another player doing the same thing, and it working exactly the same way, and plenty of others offering similar evidence. PLUS they've significantly improved classics relatively recently, and people are STILL like "nope classics are awful, won't ever pull unless they do [insert X completely unrealistic thing]"

Where are people saying that?

Discord definitely has some people who are convinced pulling Classics is a waste of CP, and hoarding for Anniversary or a 550 pull is the only way to go

Well if they want to compete, they're not wrong.
Classics will get all of your 5s up evenly, but to get all to 500 you're looking at, I dunno, 5 years?
And then you'll have guys like Abby at 500.
It's A LOT faster to get the 10 5s that really matter to 500+, from special stores.
I'm not sure I'd bet on MPQ being around for another 5 years.