***** Spider-Gwen (Gwenom) *****

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  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,273 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Blackstone said:

    @DAZ0273 said:

    IceIX has taken to listing every character in the year released - so far this year only Magik, Human Torch And Spider Gwen were in game as playable previously- Wong was a support of course. So of the eleven release weeks of 2023, 70%+ have to date never been playable before in MPQ.

    Ok. The next 20 characters could not be spiders and we'd still have a whole lot of spiders.

    I respect what you're saying, it just doesn't have anything to do with my comment you quoted.

    It wasn't meant as any sort of criticism - just providing context. Sometimes we don't realise things - I can't say at all that I would have expected 70% of releases to be completely new but I would also now not be surprised if this number stacks up year through year. Of course if you are sick of Spider characters then 5% might as well be 90%.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,273 Chairperson of the Boards

    @entrailbucket said:

    @dianetics said:
    There's a new Deadpool movie coming with wolverine in it. The last one was an almost X-Men movie :)
    We know that the Marvel cinematic Kamala is a mutant, so there should be a reboot and introduction of mutants to the wider MCU soon I would guess.

    For a very, very long time, Demiurge wasn't allowed to do mutants/X-Men at all (it was during the time when Marvel was heavily pushing Inhumans because Fox owned all the mutants, or something like that). We used to complain about it a lot. That's why some of the over/underrepresentation happened, and I don't know if they ever really caught up.

    The end of that policy (never confirmed) coincided pretty much with the Anniversary that Gambit was released and I always felt that having that shackle removed and finally being allowed to do the X characters again is why Gambit ended so OP. He was the number one request and the first X-Men 5* they could do after a hiatus and I think they went nuts. Kitty was OP too.

  • dianetics
    dianetics Posts: 1,640 Chairperson of the Boards

    @entrailbucket said:

    @dianetics said:
    There's a new Deadpool movie coming with wolverine in it. The last one was an almost X-Men movie :)
    We know that the Marvel cinematic Kamala is a mutant, so there should be a reboot and introduction of mutants to the wider MCU soon I would guess.

    For a very, very long time, Demiurge wasn't allowed to do mutants/X-Men at all (it was during the time when Marvel was heavily pushing Inhumans because Fox owned all the mutants, or something like that). We used to complain about it a lot. That's why some of the over/underrepresentation happened, and I don't know if they ever really caught up.

    This was every Marvel property until Disney bought Fox. There was another game I won't mention where the player base had the exact same issue and complaints about lack of mutants. Basically, when Disney was trying to play hardball they "created" inhumans and started retconning certain mutant properties.

  • killahKlown
    killahKlown Posts: 583 Critical Contributor

    Inhumans were around and flourishing long before Disney acquired Marvel

  • Blackstone
    Blackstone Posts: 603 Critical Contributor

    @DAZ0273 said:

    It wasn't meant as any sort of criticism - just providing context. Sometimes we don't realise things - I can't say at all that I would have expected 70% of releases to be completely new but I would also now not be surprised if this number stacks up year through year. Of course if you are sick of Spider characters then 5% might as well be 90%.

    I get what you're saying and that's valid too.

    I think I'm less sick of spiders (oscorp Spidey notwithstanding, I hate that dude) and more missing other characters, and just don't understand why some characters have so many versions when there are others that aren't here at all.

  • dianetics
    dianetics Posts: 1,640 Chairperson of the Boards

    @killahKlown said:
    Inhumans were around and flourishing long before Disney acquired Marvel

    They were around yes, but they didn't flourish. They had several runs, but certainly were not popular. How many total issues were released? I'm pretty certain it is less than 50.

    They were used as the anti-mutants during the time where Disney did not want to push mutants.
    The Inumans TV show came out in 2017. Agents of SHIELD ran 2013-2020??

    Disney bought fox at the end of 2017. There was a specific push during the 2014-2018 era of Disney making a real effort to remove mutants from the overall universe...and it failed. Because, for the most part the Inhumans failed.

  • WilliamK1983
    WilliamK1983 Posts: 978 Critical Contributor

    Diggin' the release store. Electro is 5/3/3 and SMPP is 3/4/3 with 1 shards worth. Would love to finish them off.

  • SourCream
    SourCream Posts: 104 Tile Toppler

    Just a quick one, you guys can fill in the blank.

    https://streamable.com/4lozc7

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,273 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited June 2023

    I just got a token for taking Gwenom for a spin so it seems we have another play daily vault in game, presumably with Spider Verse characters.

    Edit: And yup...aint open yet!

  • Kolence
    Kolence Posts: 969 Critical Contributor
    edited June 2023

    Gwenom Purple is said to be making 1.25 and 1.5 web tiles per color (ranks 4 and 5, respectively) in the game ability description. Haven't tried it in play yet. If it is true, I'm truly baffled at this change (nerf).

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,273 Chairperson of the Boards

    I don't have her black power but the purple is animation wise just Wong's with Spider characters and the red is EXACTLY the 4* version except she is has the symbiote costume. So low effort there.

    Her red does hit more than one character. It was almost like an AOE in that it downed two at once so it isn't as obvious as when Sabretooth/Apoc do their thing.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,273 Chairperson of the Boards

    Also - see Sour Cream's vid above, lol!

  • Histamiel
    Histamiel Posts: 166 Tile Toppler

    I also got a Token for using 3 star Spidey. The vault is not yet available.

  • dianetics
    dianetics Posts: 1,640 Chairperson of the Boards

    @SourCream said:
    Just a quick one, you guys can fill in the blank.

    https://streamable.com/4lozc7

    That was pretty wild. Your team took a truck ton of damage but the end result there was pretty sweet.
    I might just stick her behind steel witch and see what happens.

  • SourCream
    SourCream Posts: 104 Tile Toppler

    https://streamable.com/4lozc7> @dianetics said:

    @SourCream said:
    Just a quick one, you guys can fill in the blank.

    https://streamable.com/4lozc7

    That was pretty wild. Your team took a truck ton of damage but the end result there was pretty sweet.
    I might just stick her behind steel witch and see what happens.

    Or you can use her with Chasm, she not going to create much web tiles on her own.
    And red is Chasm weakest color :D
    Gwen is like a ghost, very quickly she will tank no color at all.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,273 Chairperson of the Boards

    @BlackBoltRocks said:

    @SourCream said:
    Just a quick one, you guys can fill in the blank.

    https://streamable.com/4lozc7

    Wild. Chasm/Gwenom/Kang just became THE counter-meta team.

    Well until whatever happens to Chasm happens.

  • BlackBoltRocks
    BlackBoltRocks Posts: 1,187 Chairperson of the Boards

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @BlackBoltRocks said:

    @SourCream said:
    Just a quick one, you guys can fill in the blank.

    https://streamable.com/4lozc7

    Wild. Chasm/Gwenom/Kang just became THE counter-meta team.

    Well until whatever happens to Chasm happens.

    You mean his buff nerf that makes him drain 4AP?

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,273 Chairperson of the Boards

    @BlackBoltRocks said:

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @BlackBoltRocks said:

    @SourCream said:
    Just a quick one, you guys can fill in the blank.

    https://streamable.com/4lozc7

    Wild. Chasm/Gwenom/Kang just became THE counter-meta team.

    Well until whatever happens to Chasm happens.

    You mean his buff nerf that makes him drain 4AP?

    Well they did say there was more to come but if that turns out to be making more web tilles then...

  • Bad
    Bad Posts: 3,146 Chairperson of the Boards

    @SourCream said:
    Just a quick one, you guys can fill in the blank.

    https://streamable.com/4lozc7

    That battle only got a victory because of chasm spawning webs, and because matching a free move, if not kang would died and quickly the AP drained, losing 150k damage of the enhance.
    I wonder who could be a fan of the red power, I was expecting a vicious beating, and she just plays the drums.
    I get that the nerfed purple is because of future sinergies. This character so meh just needed more nerfs.

  • AlexR
    AlexR Posts: 453 Mover and Shaker
    edited June 2023

    @BlackBoltRocks said:

    @SourCream said:
    Just a quick one, you guys can fill in the blank.

    https://streamable.com/4lozc7

    Wild. Chasm/Gwenom/Kang just became THE counter-meta team.

    Eh. I mean, it's really nice to see this working and I commend @SourCream for showing it- very nice find, appreciated! This makes Symbiote-Gwen look better! Buuuut. But it needed both boosts and all of Kang's health to accomplish. All 180k of it.

    A counter needs to do its job safely, like Sabretooth vs Polaris/GRocket. Because the point of a counter is to be able to deal with the team it's countering easily and multiple times. If it can't do that, it's not a counter, it's just a team that won.

    This does not look safe and with Kang almost dead, you can only do it once before you have to healthpack. Therefore, unless it could be improved to be safer, I would not exactly call this a counter.

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