@entrailbucket said: Did they change her purple AP cost? I swear it was 7. That ability is not good for 9AP. Her AP costs overall are probably too high.
Your thinking of the 3* version where it does cost 7. In fact the 3* version powers cost 7/8/8 respectively so both Purple and Red are cheaper than the 5* version and the 3* Black stun is per 6 web tiles instead of 8.
Yet again the 3* version ends up better than the 5*, this time to due to AP costs and better stun
KGB
The purple power costs less with more covers, at 3+ it is actually 7ap if I read correctly
Looks interesting but a bit complicated, lots of questions lol.
Purple - Like other people have wondered, does she make a web tile ONLY if there are no web tiles in a color? Or is it on a per-color basis? If it only works at 0 web tiles it's awful.
Black - I don't get this trend of ignoring protect tiles. It's a big hit with boosted damage, it's extremely rare the the opponent is going to be sitting at 10k shields. Please don't bother with this "benefit" and use it to balance powers.
Red - I like all the new teams, but feel that way too many characters have a narrow window for their powers, and that it's winding up to be a waste of balancing power. Like, if the bonus damage/damage reduction to symbiotes wasn't there, would her powers cost less or do more damage? There's far too few supernatural/symbiote/whoever else has team-specific aspects to it. And even less that actually come up, so it all feels like just a waste of space.
So her red can strike, with 5 others AP and 16 web tiles, for 150k damage. Unboosted. Not bad at all. Now the key is to find the optimal team for doing it fast.
@entrailbucket said: @BlackBoltRocks said: After all the recent PhD-thesis ability descriptions, I'm so happy to see a character with simple descriptions. That Purple looks very underwhelming for a 5* ability. Also, how do you create 1.5 tiles? Seems like an easy 3/5/5. Yeah, there's some PhD thesis to the purple active, with the 1.5 thing. What this does (and I think I actually understand it, but it's sort of odd) -- it counts how many colors do NOT have a special tile, but the [redacted] tiles don't count. It then multiplies that number by the factor from the power. So, if there is one blue strike tile on the board and no other specials, that means 5 colors don't have a special tile. So when you fire his purple it will create: 5 [redacted] tiles at 3 covers (5 colors * 1) 7 [redacted] tiles at 4 covers (5 colors * 1.5, rounded down) 10 [redacted] tiles at 5 covers (5 * 2) All on random tiles, ie not on any particular color. It doesn't say, but according to the formula, if there is a special tile on every color, the power would do nothing. This is all needlessly complicated, but whatever.
@entrailbucket said:
@BlackBoltRocks said: After all the recent PhD-thesis ability descriptions, I'm so happy to see a character with simple descriptions. That Purple looks very underwhelming for a 5* ability. Also, how do you create 1.5 tiles? Seems like an easy 3/5/5.
@BlackBoltRocks said: After all the recent PhD-thesis ability descriptions, I'm so happy to see a character with simple descriptions.
That Purple looks very underwhelming for a 5* ability. Also, how do you create 1.5 tiles? Seems like an easy 3/5/5.
Yeah, there's some PhD thesis to the purple active, with the 1.5 thing.
What this does (and I think I actually understand it, but it's sort of odd) -- it counts how many colors do NOT have a special tile, but the [redacted] tiles don't count. It then multiplies that number by the factor from the power.
So, if there is one blue strike tile on the board and no other specials, that means 5 colors don't have a special tile. So when you fire his purple it will create:
5 [redacted] tiles at 3 covers (5 colors * 1) 7 [redacted] tiles at 4 covers (5 colors * 1.5, rounded down) 10 [redacted] tiles at 5 covers (5 * 2)
All on random tiles, ie not on any particular color.
It doesn't say, but according to the formula, if there is a special tile on every color, the power would do nothing.
This is all needlessly complicated, but whatever.
For those confused about her purple passive -- just replying to my own post rather than rewriting the entire thing. IceIX confirmed that my reading of it was correct.
@pepitedechocolat said: The purple power costs less with more covers, at 3+ it is actually 7ap if I read correctly
Thanks, that's why I thought that! It costs 7 on any championed build.
@entrailbucket said: @entrailbucket said: @BlackBoltRocks said: After all the recent PhD-thesis ability descriptions, I'm so happy to see a character with simple descriptions. That Purple looks very underwhelming for a 5* ability. Also, how do you create 1.5 tiles? Seems like an easy 3/5/5. Yeah, there's some PhD thesis to the purple active, with the 1.5 thing. What this does (and I think I actually understand it, but it's sort of odd) -- it counts how many colors do NOT have a special tile, but the [redacted] tiles don't count. It then multiplies that number by the factor from the power. So, if there is one blue strike tile on the board and no other specials, that means 5 colors don't have a special tile. So when you fire his purple it will create: 5 [redacted] tiles at 3 covers (5 colors * 1) 7 [redacted] tiles at 4 covers (5 colors * 1.5, rounded down) 10 [redacted] tiles at 5 covers (5 * 2) All on random tiles, ie not on any particular color. It doesn't say, but according to the formula, if there is a special tile on every color, the power would do nothing. This is all needlessly complicated, but whatever. For those confused about her purple passive -- just replying to my own post rather than rewriting the entire thing. IceIX confirmed that my reading of it was correct.
That’s even worse than how I read it. Either way, it’s awful. 7 AP for maybe 6 web tiles?
Do web tiles count as special tiles?
That’s a trash tier power. Honestly, her red is the only thing keeping her from being complete garbage. I can’t stop thinking about how bad this kit is.
Guessing I’ll use her on required nodes with Okoye & 2099? Was hoping her damage decrease would affect Spider-verse characters. Can’t all be metas I suppose
Her purple at 7AP can make up to 12 webs IF not playing against any special tiles user. Then collecting 10 AP red plus other 5 AP for her big nuke at 8 hits of 150k damage. That makes her a really slow character no matter how many batteries you pair her up. Another character to pass for me.
I’ve seen a couple comments that she might play well with Petey but that’s he’s underpowered (being so long in the tooth).
Maybe he’s next up for a rebalance.
@allen_koholic said: @entrailbucket said: @entrailbucket said: @BlackBoltRocks said: After all the recent PhD-thesis ability descriptions, I'm so happy to see a character with simple descriptions. That Purple looks very underwhelming for a 5* ability. Also, how do you create 1.5 tiles? Seems like an easy 3/5/5. Yeah, there's some PhD thesis to the purple active, with the 1.5 thing. What this does (and I think I actually understand it, but it's sort of odd) -- it counts how many colors do NOT have a special tile, but the [redacted] tiles don't count. It then multiplies that number by the factor from the power. So, if there is one blue strike tile on the board and no other specials, that means 5 colors don't have a special tile. So when you fire his purple it will create: 5 [redacted] tiles at 3 covers (5 colors * 1) 7 [redacted] tiles at 4 covers (5 colors * 1.5, rounded down) 10 [redacted] tiles at 5 covers (5 * 2) All on random tiles, ie not on any particular color. It doesn't say, but according to the formula, if there is a special tile on every color, the power would do nothing. This is all needlessly complicated, but whatever. For those confused about her purple passive -- just replying to my own post rather than rewriting the entire thing. IceIX confirmed that my reading of it was correct. That’s even worse than how I read it. Either way, it’s awful. 7 AP for maybe 6 web tiles? Do web tiles count as special tiles? That’s a trash tier power. Honestly, her red is the only thing keeping her from being complete garbage. I can’t stop thinking about how bad this kit is.
@allen_koholic said:
I'm not sure if web tiles count as "special" for the purposes of this power. Web tiles seem to get treated inconsistently -- I think sometimes they're special and sometimes they're not?
@allen_koholic said: @entrailbucket said: @entrailbucket said: @BlackBoltRocks said: After all the recent PhD-thesis ability descriptions, I'm so happy to see a character with simple descriptions. That Purple looks very underwhelming for a 5* ability. Also, how do you create 1.5 tiles? Seems like an easy 3/5/5. Yeah, there's some PhD thesis to the purple active, with the 1.5 thing. What this does (and I think I actually understand it, but it's sort of odd) -- it counts how many colors do NOT have a special tile, but the [redacted] tiles don't count. It then multiplies that number by the factor from the power. So, if there is one blue strike tile on the board and no other specials, that means 5 colors don't have a special tile. So when you fire his purple it will create: 5 [redacted] tiles at 3 covers (5 colors * 1) 7 [redacted] tiles at 4 covers (5 colors * 1.5, rounded down) 10 [redacted] tiles at 5 covers (5 * 2) All on random tiles, ie not on any particular color. It doesn't say, but according to the formula, if there is a special tile on every color, the power would do nothing. This is all needlessly complicated, but whatever. For those confused about her purple passive -- just replying to my own post rather than rewriting the entire thing. IceIX confirmed that my reading of it was correct. That’s even worse than how I read it. Either way, it’s awful. 7 AP for maybe 6 web tiles? Do web tiles count as special tiles?
at higher covers its 7ap for up to 6/9/12 web tiles at 3/4/5 covers, which synergize with red, and the power also has a passive part. maybe its not completely great,but on an empty board it is a strong web tile generator
@Aweberman said: I’ve seen a couple comments that she might play well with Petey but that’s he’s underpowered (being so long in the tooth). Maybe he’s next up for a rebalance.
@Aweberman said: I’ve seen a couple comments that she might play well with Petey but that’s he’s underpowered (being so long in the tooth).
He is in the Gwenom store so it would be good timing but we won't see any more rebalancing until late June if they stick to their schedule.
Dang, I was hoping for Spider-Punk. 3/4/5* Gwen seems excessive. But what else is new with Spiderpeople/symbiote.
Maybe we'll still get a Spider-Punk. Fingers crossed!
This character seems completely out of touch with the game and how it is played at the 5* level. As others have mentioned, could be a good character if transitioning but there already are a number of decent transition characters.
I hate to sound negative but this character looks dreadful.. the 5* pool of Magik, Jeff and Gwen has to be the worst Latest 3 group
@Punisher5784 said: I hate to sound negative but this character looks dreadful.. the 5* pool of Magik, Jeff and Gwen has to be the worst Latest 3 group
Jeff is the weakest of this bunch. His match damage passive could have made Gwenom more attractive but the bonus numbers are just too low, and unlike the other two he doesn't have much damage potential. His green is the only unique thing about him and will come in handy during specific puzzle gauntlets.
you forgot hevo between jeff and gwen
This sounds like a good topic for a different thread, but there is no way this is the worst Latest 3.
Post-Gambit-nerf, Demiurge got really scared about power level and released a ton of stinkers in a row. We had like 6-9 months straight of subpar 5*.
@Bzhai said: @Punisher5784 said: I hate to sound negative but this character looks dreadful.. the 5* pool of Magik, Jeff and Gwen has to be the worst Latest 3 group Jeff is the weakest of this bunch. His match damage passive could have made Gwenom more attractive but the bonus numbers are just too low, and unlike the other two he doesn't have much damage potential. His green is the only unique thing about him and will come in handy during specific puzzle gauntlets.
@Bzhai said:
Jeff's green is awesome. I can't agree he's the weakest when he has a standout ability, even if it's his only one.