***** High Evolutionary (Awesome Mix Vol 3) *****

DAZ0273

@tonypq said:
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It's getting harder and harder to get excited for any new characters these days, at least for me. The only puzzle in this game trying to figure out these complex characters getting churned out left and right.

Complex wouldn't be too bad if the abilities worked and the character was actually good. With some of these characters just seems like a big waste of everyone's time, developers and players. Releasing complex characters that either aren't fun, weak sauce, or bugged. Then players having to decipher what level of trash we got from release to release and see these dud characters clog up the latest legend store for months.
Mod note: Removed inappropriate comment - fight4thedream

This is not cool. We all joke around about this stuff but this post is crossing lines in my opinion. Please reconsider that a lot of obvious effort went into this design and that it doesn't work is not intentionally meant to offend us.

Tiger_Wong

Ok. So he boosts his black damage with his yellow. But not his blue.

SourCream

TLDR, to sum up his start of battle passive :

• If 550 Evo with 370 4* + 450 5*

370 4* will get 85% boost in health and match damage.
450 5* will get 47% boost in health and match damage.

Using formula provided by @trenchdigger.
Difference in levels divide by 295, then time 140% (5Covers)

4* = 180/295140% = 85%
5 = 100/295*140% = 47%

• If 450 Evo with 370 4* + 450 5*

370 4* will get 37% boost in health and match damage.
Any 5* 450 or above will get 0% boost in health and match damage.

Currently, ability damage not boosting.
Also, weekly or newly boost levels will not be a factor in computation.

purplemur

@DAZ0273 said:

@tonypq said:
Feels like the few people responsible for character creation and development throw all these abilities together after taking repeated bong hits.

Each had their own ideas that at the time sounded good. Stoned out their minds concensus couldn't be reached, so they agree just mash everything together and release the character.

It's getting harder and harder to get excited for any new characters these days, at least for me. The only puzzle in this game trying to figure out these complex characters getting churned out left and right.

Complex wouldn't be too bad if the abilities worked and the character was actually good. With some of these characters just seems like a big waste of everyone's time, developers and players. Releasing complex characters that either aren't fun, weak sauce, or bugged. Then players having to decipher what level of trash we got from release to release and see these dud characters clog up the latest legend store for months.

This is not cool. We all joke around about this stuff but this post is crossing lines in my opinion. Please reconsider that a lot of obvious effort went into this design and that it doesn't work is not intentionally meant to offend us.

Really? after the multiple spamming snark threads, joke polls, and admitted teasing at their expense - YOU wanna play tu-tut thats a bridge too far? Over what?: insinuation that these new designs don’t make any sense?
Please un-ban hound so the chairpersons can have a new reason to clog up threads with their need to selective outrage.

ThisisClemFandango

@purplemur said:

@DAZ0273 said:

@tonypq said:
Feels like the few people responsible for character creation and development throw all these abilities together after taking repeated bong hits.

Each had their own ideas that at the time sounded good. Stoned out their minds concensus couldn't be reached, so they agree just mash everything together and release the character.

It's getting harder and harder to get excited for any new characters these days, at least for me. The only puzzle in this game trying to figure out these complex characters getting churned out left and right.

Complex wouldn't be too bad if the abilities worked and the character was actually good. With some of these characters just seems like a big waste of everyone's time, developers and players. Releasing complex characters that either aren't fun, weak sauce, or bugged. Then players having to decipher what level of trash we got from release to release and see these dud characters clog up the latest legend store for months.

This is not cool. We all joke around about this stuff but this post is crossing lines in my opinion. Please reconsider that a lot of obvious effort went into this design and that it doesn't work is not intentionally meant to offend us.

Really? after the multiple spamming snark threads, joke polls, and admitted teasing at their expense - YOU wanna play tu-tut thats a bridge too far? Over what?: insinuation that these new designs don’t make any sense?
Please un-ban hound so the chairpersons can have a new reason to clog up threads with their need to selective outrage.

Ohhh, won't somebody please think of the children!

• I had to edit because if I'm going to quote the Simpsons then by god its gonna be accurate

purplemur

ehhxcellent! Lets derail this thread with Simpsons quotes!

Everytime they drop chars like this I think of Abe asleep on the job…

“stupid babies need the most attention! “

DAZ0273

@purplemur said:

@DAZ0273 said:

@tonypq said:
Feels like the few people responsible for character creation and development throw all these abilities together after taking repeated bong hits.

Each had their own ideas that at the time sounded good. Stoned out their minds concensus couldn't be reached, so they agree just mash everything together and release the character.

It's getting harder and harder to get excited for any new characters these days, at least for me. The only puzzle in this game trying to figure out these complex characters getting churned out left and right.

Complex wouldn't be too bad if the abilities worked and the character was actually good. With some of these characters just seems like a big waste of everyone's time, developers and players. Releasing complex characters that either aren't fun, weak sauce, or bugged. Then players having to decipher what level of trash we got from release to release and see these dud characters clog up the latest legend store for months.

This is not cool. We all joke around about this stuff but this post is crossing lines in my opinion. Please reconsider that a lot of obvious effort went into this design and that it doesn't work is not intentionally meant to offend us.

Really? after the multiple spamming snark threads, joke polls, and admitted teasing at their expense - YOU wanna play tu-tut thats a bridge too far? Over what?: insinuation that these new designs don’t make any sense?
Please un-ban hound so the chairpersons can have a new reason to clog up threads with their need to selective outrage.

There are ways to express disappointment that don't involve insulting people's effort and questioning their professionalism. So yes. Really, really. You do your work stoned? Good for you if you do. This character is "complex". That means effort was put into making it so. It seems to have failed but not through intent or lack of trying. So go take your Hound accusation and go tell us all to adjust our expectations. Sometimes things don't need to be nasty.

Edit: BTW I am sorry that anything I have posted here on this forum seems to have personally offended you. You can always alert the Mods to anything I do that you find insufferable, I can assure you they have no issues with warning me or deleting my posts. Or you can put me on ignore. None of this is snarky or being belligerent - I sincerely have no wish to make any other posters here have an experience that takes away from what the forum should give them. I think the post I quoted was unnecessarily ****. You think I am being hypocritical. That is fine. We can talk about it or not but I would sooner not post again than make any other posters here have a poor experience, so sorry if I have done that to you.

entrailbucket

I finally had a chance to play with him in PvE today (mine is lvl435, 4/4/4, sadly I only had one 370 Nebula).

He's...fine. Really! I'm running him with 672 Starlord and Thanos, and his passive gives him something like 60k additional health at the start of the match. I think it might be true heal, by accident. I was trying to work it out -- I think if he takes less than 60k damage in the fight, then it doesn't "count" (or maybe I'm too dumb to track it correctly).

I didn't notice his AP generation because it's pretty slow, and his blue active didn't seem worth casting -- the damage feels low, and the "reduce enemy's effectiveness"/stun part of it doesn't get the value up to 8ap at the 5* tier.

In that team, I'm only allowed to fire his active yellow on himself, for some reason, but it gives him like 20,000 health. The match damage boost was noticeable but not great, and the ability probably isn't worth 6ap.

I have no idea how his black calculates, but when I cast it, it hit very hard. It feels like enough damage for an 8ap single-target 5* power.

So, like, he's fine. He's not good, and I will never use him unboosted. But he's not Abigail (who has one ok power and two powers that do nothing at all), or pre-buff Wasp (who did exactly nothing), or some of the old 5* like BSS that are badly undertuned for today's MPQ. He's an average 5* in 2023.

Zarqa

Our goal with any character is to place them in at least the top 1/3 of characters of that tier.

Does he fall within the top 1/3 of 5 stars?

entrailbucket

@Zarqa said:

Our goal with any character is to place them in at least the top 1/3 of characters of that tier.

Does he fall within the top 1/3 of 5 stars?

I think you're asking me this? I'll answer anyway!

Well, I'll tell you why I can't answer, more specifically. In the current MPQ meta, I don't believe it's possible to do a ranking of 5*. (Or, at least, I couldn't do this). To me, 5* today fall into 3 general tiers: usable unboosted (this is Chasm, Thor, etc), usable only when boosted (this is like 90% of them), not usable even when boosted (Abigail, Heimdall, BSS, Black Widow, etc).

The "usable unboosted" tier is very small -- way less than 1/3 of the tier. Most 5* fall into the "only when boosted" tier, and that's where I'd put this guy.

(I also think the top and bottom tiers shouldn't exist at all, and are a huge problem, for whatever that's worth. In a world where characters get +100 levels, anybody getting that boost should be good, and nobody unboosted should be better than them.)

fight4thedream

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trenchdigger

@eb
The health boost of 60k you quoted seems too high.
Running Evo at 435 with 4 yellow, the boost should be 115/295 * 100% * base health (I will assume 90k for lvl 435) = 35k boost.

I think your observation about this health boost being true heal, matches what I have seen with the 3* version in his pvp.

Your black should be dealing 10% of the target max. health, which will be considerable if you are fighting against lvl 672 opposition, but only as permanent damage to their max. health not their current health.

entrailbucket

So...maybe he's bugged, or the descriptions are wrong? Mine is going from 170k health to 230k health when the fight starts. I'll try to get a screenshot of the boost happening.

Also, his black ability is doing WAY more than 10% of the enemy's max health.

entrailbucket

Here's a video of the start of a match:

https://streamable.com/2dr65k

Maybe someone can do the math and figure out what's going on here. I boosted black hoping to get a couple easy black matches and fire that power, but...well...no such luck.

SourCream

@entrailbucket said:
Here's a video of the start of a match:

https://streamable.com/2dr65k

Maybe someone can do the math and figure out what's going on here. I boosted black hoping to get a couple easy black matches and fire that power, but...well...no such luck.

550 Thanos - 435 Evo = 115
115 / 295 * 100% = 38%

You got 38% boost on health and match damage. Boost levels are ignore, but boost health and match damage are not.

entrailbucket

@SourCream said:

@entrailbucket said:
Here's a video of the start of a match:

https://streamable.com/2dr65k

Maybe someone can do the math and figure out what's going on here. I boosted black hoping to get a couple easy black matches and fire that power, but...well...no such luck.

550 Thanos - 435 Evo = 115
115 / 295 * 100% = 38%

You got 38% boost on health and match damage. Boost levels are ignore, but boost health and match damage are not.

I'm not sure what this means overall, but in using him, I felt like the bonus mattered, and it was more than I thought it'd be.

SourCream

@entrailbucket said:
So...maybe he's bugged, or > @SourCream said:

@entrailbucket said:
Here's a video of the start of a match:

https://streamable.com/2dr65k

Maybe someone can do the math and figure out what's going on here. I boosted black hoping to get a couple easy black matches and fire that power, but...well...no such luck.

550 Thanos - 435 Evo = 115
115 / 295 * 100% = 38%

You got 38% boost on health and match damage. Boost levels are ignore, but boost health and match damage are not.

I'm not sure what this means overall, but in using him, I felt like the bonus mattered, and it was more than I thought it'd be.

For PVE, it's not a meaningful number. 38% match damage, you can get more simply by buying +50% boost with 100 ISO. Colossus gets 126% just for existing. If ability damage is given too, also not meaningful, Emma is 70% just for existing too. Extra health is nice, but do you really need it ? Anyhow, all the extra % is given to Evo only, not your 550s.

entrailbucket

@SourCream said:

@entrailbucket said:
So...maybe he's bugged, or > @SourCream said:

@entrailbucket said:
Here's a video of the start of a match:

https://streamable.com/2dr65k

Maybe someone can do the math and figure out what's going on here. I boosted black hoping to get a couple easy black matches and fire that power, but...well...no such luck.

550 Thanos - 435 Evo = 115
115 / 295 * 100% = 38%

You got 38% boost on health and match damage. Boost levels are ignore, but boost health and match damage are not.

I'm not sure what this means overall, but in using him, I felt like the bonus mattered, and it was more than I thought it'd be.

For PVE, it's not a meaningful number. 38% match damage, you can get more simply by buying +50% boost with 100 ISO. Colossus gets 126% just for existing. If ability damage is given too, also not meaningful, Emma is 70% just for existing too. Extra health is nice, but do you really need it ? Anyhow, all the extra % is given to Evo only, not your 550s.

Oh, don't get me wrong -- he is in no way good, and I hope that whole long post made that pretty clear. But he's also not Abigail or Black Widow-level bad.

entrailbucket

@dianetics said:
@entrailbucket He has a mini god boost. How do his natural powers compare against like level heroes?

He uses 1 entire power slot to push him up or his partners. So does his black hit harder than Elektro?

As a like level hero where does he land? Would you use him over Gargantos? Do you think he is better than Crystal?

See...like...I can't answer this now. The boosts have completely ruined my ability to think this way. Based on what everyone else said, and my own reading of his powers, I expected him to be in the "not usable even when boosted," absolute bottom-feeder tier.

But he was, shockingly...fine. I'd probably not pick him over Crystal or Gargantos when they're boosted, but I don't know if I'll ever have to make that decision. I'd certainly pick him over Crystal or Gargantos when he's boosted and they're not!

entrailbucket

@dianetics said:
So he is niche at best.

I will ask it another way then...would ever take him not boosted?
Crystal is a toon that has value not boosted Gargantos is one that does not.

I only used him with the boost, but unless I'm missing something huge I can't ever see using him unboosted.

I think that's what I'm saying, though -- most 5* are the same way. There's, what, like 80 5* now? And there's 10 in the good tier and 10 in the trash tier, and everybody else is meh unless they get +100 levels that week. High Evolutionary is squarely in the meh tier.