***** Kang (The Conqueror) *****

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  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,274 Chairperson of the Boards

    And to top it off they made an ancient old 4* as his feeder. I got two full covers out the bag and I imagine others got many many more! So the Wrath of Kang has begun. Now the obvious counter to Kang has gotta be Immortus, right?

  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards

    I think 5* Wasp is the counter.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,820 Chairperson of the Boards

    @HoundofShadow said:
    I think 5* Wasp is the counter.

    Getting a bit ahead of ourselves but why not!

    They could make a character that's immune to Away, but they'd have to have some other very strong passive that's helpful/overpowered in its own right... because otherwise you could just Away everybody besides Wasp and kill her normally. I suppose you could make a guy that gives his whole team Away immunity?

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    "The power of the Swarm are the ties that bind us together. While a Swarm tile is on the board, characters cannot be sent away."

  • dianetics
    dianetics Posts: 1,640 Chairperson of the Boards

    If there ever was a chance for 5* AntMan with an interesting ability you could have something with him.
    Ant Man zips in and out of the quantum realm finding friends and foes alike. Bring all away characters back to the game.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,274 Chairperson of the Boards

    Wasp stands strong, her amazing waspie swarm powers resisting the shifting sands of time and reality (don't ask)... until she is downed on the next round by a massive iHulk aoe. Chasm laughs.

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    Chasm doesn't strike me as the laughing type.
    Maybe a moustache twirl.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,820 Chairperson of the Boards

    And the absolute best part of a character like that? If you want to be immune to Kang-cheese, you need to bring that guy -- instead of Chasm, Scarlet Witch or Colossus! Whatever resources you invested in those other guys become totally worthless!!!

    Plus, in a Kang meta, power boosters like Okoye and Apocalypse lose a lot of value. You can't boost Kang's instakill power, and you don't need to anyway. Protect tiles from Beta Ray Bill are worthless against it.

    Kang is what players asked for: "give us counters, not nerfs!" Now we'll all get to find out if that's what they really wanted.

  • dianetics
    dianetics Posts: 1,640 Chairperson of the Boards

    We’ll see how it shakes out in pvp. In PvE though, sure we finally have something different after 2+ years Warhulkoye.

    Im not convinced this is the iHulk/Chasm counter though.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,274 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Bowgentle said:
    Chasm doesn't strike me as the laughing type.
    Maybe a moustache twirl.

    Hmm. You might be right. Maybe enigmatic eyebrow raise?

  • Tony_Foot
    Tony_Foot Posts: 1,811 Chairperson of the Boards

    @HoundofShadow said:
    I think 5* Wasp is the counter.

    They already said on discord that the rework is not a counter.

    @entrailbucket said:

    Kang is what players asked for: "give us counters, not nerfs!" Now we'll all get to find out if that's what they really wanted.

    It’s just not that simple. Sometimes they are so broken and damaging to the game going forward they have little choice but be reworked. What next after this? Match 3 and win, but have a counter to that from one other release?

    It completely trivialises CL10 for almost all rosters. What comes next a much harder CL10 when they rebalance it. CL10 hasn’t been a challenge for a long long while.

    If they let this junk stay, I fear for the game going forwards. Or please release 6* if this is the best way they could find to counter chasm I have little faith in their ability going forward.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,820 Chairperson of the Boards

    @dianetics said:
    We’ll see how it shakes out in pvp. In PvE though, sure we finally have something different after 2+ years Warhulkoye.

    Im not convinced this is the iHulk/Chasm counter though.

    They did say they're working on fixing the interaction with the immortal guys. I guess we'll see.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,820 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Tony_Foot said:

    @HoundofShadow said:
    I think 5* Wasp is the counter.

    They already said on discord that the rework is not a counter.

    @entrailbucket said:

    Kang is what players asked for: "give us counters, not nerfs!" Now we'll all get to find out if that's what they really wanted.

    It’s just not that simple. Sometimes they are so broken and damaging to the game going forward they have little choice but be reworked. What next after this? Match 3 and win, but have a counter to that from one other release?

    It completely trivialises CL10 for almost all rosters. What comes next a much harder CL10 when they rebalance it. CL10 hasn’t been a challenge for a long long while.

    If they let this junk stay, I fear for the game going forwards. Or please release 6* if this is the best way they could find to counter chasm I have little faith in their ability going forward.

    This is exactly what players asked for. They could (and should) have just fixed Chasm, plus several other guys, and we wouldn't be in this situation, which I agree is bad. This is the alternative to a nerf, and it's the alternative players said they wanted.

  • Tony_Foot
    Tony_Foot Posts: 1,811 Chairperson of the Boards

    @entrailbucket said:

    This is exactly what players asked for. They could (and should) have just fixed Chasm, plus several other guys, and we wouldn't be in this situation, which I agree is bad. This is the alternative to a nerf, and it's the alternative players said they wanted.

    It’s what a few players on the social outlets have asked for. I didn’t. And you make it sound like because this counter is bad that this means counters are bad over nerfs so we got what we deserved.

    Yet there have been a ton of good ideas for counters. I don’t care either way if they nerf chasm because I’m happy to skip and Kang won’t be any use in pick 2 beyond the occasional irritation when he sends one away. But he utterly destroys pve and the clearance levels. Boss events are already so boring they are considered a holiday from the game and extra time off. PVE will be the same.

  • dianetics
    dianetics Posts: 1,640 Chairperson of the Boards

    How many viable teams are there to decimate the clearance levels with him.

    New players won’t have Hawkeye and he’s not easy to get. I barely have a usable Hawkeye 422 and running the 3* version of Kang I wiped several times.

    I’m still going to be running SC SheThor RiRi. It’s reliable and requires less resources.

    The old guard of players will switch because it’s faster, but newer players don’t have the option.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,820 Chairperson of the Boards

    I disagree that he won't be useful in pick 2. Remember Chasm can't drain his AP, and they're fixing his interaction with the immortal guys. Get to 9 blue, send Chasm away and then kill a very low-HP Hulk using any other active power, or just Kang's own crazy nukes...seems pretty usable to me.

    A few people on here wanted the overpowered guys fixed but the vast majority of players here, and certainly everywhere else, hate those fixes in all circumstances. In one fell swoop they've taken care of all the overpowered defensive characters, so this should make the "counters, not nerfs" crowd very happy. And the best part? 3* Kang is basically as good as the 5*, and he's available to everyone!

    Unless...those players never actually wanted that, and they just felt entitled to win everything forever?

  • dianetics
    dianetics Posts: 1,640 Chairperson of the Boards

    I love the idea of sending problem characters away. He will be a great character in pick 3 for sure.
    Interesting though that Sersi will soft counter him by depriving the board of blue.

    So with Kang coming to play we may actually see more characters in pick3. Probably not in pick 2 though

  • Tony_Foot
    Tony_Foot Posts: 1,811 Chairperson of the Boards

    You complain about chasm but you’re fine with 3* players beating up on you? Sounds like a plan, why not make all 3* going forward just as powerful as the 5*!

    Kang didn’t need to send 3 away to be able to cure the defensive meta, that’s the point. Have him send one away at a time and you can still get rid of that annoying character but you will take a fair bit of damage in return for that gift in pick 2. You are eating a lot of health packs in pick 2 against chasm hulk still, even if they leave it as is and fix the bugs.

  • dianetics
    dianetics Posts: 1,640 Chairperson of the Boards

    I don’t complain about Chasm. Other people complain about him, and all I ever said was iHulk/Chasm was the problem.

    I don’t even have a real problem with iHulk/Chasm. I’m in the anti nerf crowd. Make counters not nerfs.

    I will run iHulk/Chasm until it isn’t viable. I’m unapologetic about it. It’s in the game and until you are punished for using it I will use it.

    I just know other players have a problem with the pair and I recognize it.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,820 Chairperson of the Boards

    The only alternative to fixing Chasm was releasing a crazy overpowered character to counter him, a character that will (hopefully) result in setting the entire metagame on fire.

    I'm quite happy to get beat up by 3* players in exchange -- seems a small price to pay to demonstrate why nerfs are necessary and good for the game.

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