***** Carnage (Prophet of Knull) *****

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  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 5,917 Chairperson of the Boards
    RE:  Absolute Carnage's appearance.  Has anyone been reading the comic enough to comment on the fact that he looks like he has no abdominal organs?  Is it just Cletus Kasady's torso in there since he was once torn apart by Sentry?  Just wondering.  I read that he has been resurrected (maybe this is the second time) just before the storyline began.
  • Polares
    Polares Posts: 2,643 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited October 2019
    BriMan2222 said:
    Daredevil217 said:

    Who are your other 5*?
    I have Thanos, Panther, Dr Strange, Star Lord, Hawkeye, Robbie Reyes Ghost Rider all champed and I have Dare Devil Champable just haven't champed him yet.  I also have OML at 5/2/5 and lvl 430

    In Pvp I usually use Panther and Thanos against Gritty teams and Ghost Rider/Thanos for most other teams. Pve Thanos/panther/dr strange is usually my go to team.

    Well, if you really don't find the current 3 chars exiting, you can always wait for a new char store, maybe to hope for Doom or any other char like Kitty or Okoye to be in that store.

    But remember, more 4 covers means a LOT more CPs, and LTs, feeder covers for 5s, and stronger level for you 4s, don't underestimate those (specially now that Devs are forcing 5 rosters to use 4s to deal with broken 4s like Bishop or WorthyCap)


    wymtime said:
    Daredevil217 said:
    Vhailorx said:
    wymtime said:
    @IceIX I would love to hear about your experience play testing carnage.  Most of the comments from this thread are down on carnage.  When you play tested him how did you feel he worked well in he 5* tier.

    also in general are the devs going to go back to some older 5* that are under performing and look to buff some of their stats.  I say this because from a 1st impression of Carnage if if each of his powers were just a little stronger he would be a really solid to good 5*. I personally like his mechanics and concepts and feel with a slight buff he would find more use in the game.

    any additional insight would be greatly appreciated.
    I don't want to speak for anyone, and i would like any available insight too, but i think we have to recognize that this request puts IceIX in a difficult position. 

    Carnage's value on mpq rosters has a fairly direct link to Demi/d3's financial bottom line.  So offering any personal opinion whatsoever is subject to at least an appearance of conflict.  (If ice save Carnage is great, can we trust that as anything but marketing hype?  And if ice thinks Carnage is wasp-level bad, doesn't saying as much publicly put him in an uncomfortable position, especially before the character is even released?  Trash talking your own product before release is not generally the best business strategy).
    I don’t think “he’s awesome!” or “he’s trash!” is what people are looking for. Whether a true opinion or not, it doesn’t provide much insight. 

    My thought process is that they did extensive testing on the character and obviously think he’s good. If not, I’m sure they would have buffed him. So if they think he’s good and we all think he’s trash, maybe there are some synergies, ways to play him, or opponents he works well against that we’re not seeing. Yes, we have numbers, but they had the opportunity to play him a bunch, and so by virtue of that have a much different experience of the character. I’m not looking for “good” or “bad” feedback. Just honest. What were you going for and do you feel you hit the mark. 
    @Vhailorx I think what Daredevil articulated is more of what I was looking for.  I agree with you it might put ice in a tight spot, but I also think when a new character comes out and the initial impression of the character is poor an explanation from a developer on at they were looking to accomplish and how they feel they accomplished it with synergy examples can be good.  Even if they came back and said we tried X and it was super OP so we went with Y and gave an explanation would be good communication fro the Dev’s.
    My problem with this is when we have seen articles of Devs talking about new chars descriptions and the interactions with other chars they have always been pretty far off, like no one was using the chars as they were describing in those articles. Like, mixing up teams with 3s, 4s and 5s that were super far off the meta and unusable in "real world" gameplay.

    Like most of the times it looked like they were talking about a different game and that we players knew their game better than them (I don't think this is actually true, I just say this looked true if we just looked at those articles)
  • Greenroom
    Greenroom Posts: 71 Match Maker
    bluewolf said:
    RE:  Absolute Carnage's appearance.  Has anyone been reading the comic enough to comment on the fact that he looks like he has no abdominal organs?  Is it just Cletus Kasady's torso in there since he was once torn apart by Sentry?  Just wondering.  I read that he has been resurrected (maybe this is the second time) just before the storyline began.
    I read an interview where it was simply the artist's design choice to make him appear even less human.  In Carnage USA he has an artificial lower half i assume as a result of the Sentry thing. Ive missed much of the last 10 years of comics but maybe this means Cletus' legs and junk are still floating around in space somewhere.
  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 5,917 Chairperson of the Boards
    Greenroom said:
    bluewolf said:
    RE:  Absolute Carnage's appearance.  Has anyone been reading the comic enough to comment on the fact that he looks like he has no abdominal organs?  Is it just Cletus Kasady's torso in there since he was once torn apart by Sentry?  Just wondering.  I read that he has been resurrected (maybe this is the second time) just before the storyline began.
    I read an interview where it was simply the artist's design choice to make him appear even less human.  In Carnage USA he has an artificial lower half i assume as a result of the Sentry thing. Ive missed much of the last 10 years of comics but maybe this means Cletus' legs and junk are still floating around in space somewhere.
    Yeah, I was in my local comic shop and they said the same thing about Absolute Carnage. (Now even Creepier!)  If it were the 90's would he be EXTREME CARNAGE!!! ?

    Maybe having no intestines means less time in the bathroom and more time to kill people and take over the world. Also means he's not an MPQ player......
  • wymtime
    wymtime Posts: 3,762 Chairperson of the Boards
    Thanos said:
    I was gonna make some Carnage videos but I'm too depressed by how bad he is. A shame cause his artwork is awesome.


     I think this is the best Carnage video I can make.



    That was harsh funny but harsh. did you at least try him first?
  • Daredevil217
    Daredevil217 Posts: 4,009 Chairperson of the Boards
    Thanos said:
    I was gonna make some Carnage videos but I'm too depressed by how bad he is. A shame cause his artwork is awesome.


     I think this is the best Carnage video I can make.



    Hahahaha!

    If you’re taking requests, half heath Daredevil and Doom?
  • Thanos
    Thanos Posts: 722 Critical Contributor
    wymtime said:
    Thanos said:
    I was gonna make some Carnage videos but I'm too depressed by how bad he is. A shame cause his artwork is awesome.

     I think this is the best Carnage video I can make.

    That was harsh funny but harsh. did you at least try him first?
    Of course, I didn't go to the trouble of opening a million 40pks just to delete him without using him first.
    Daredevil217 said:
    Thanos said:
    I was gonna make some Carnage videos but I'm too depressed by how bad he is. A shame cause his artwork is awesome.

     I think this is the best Carnage video I can make.

    Hahahaha!

    If you’re taking requests, half heath Daredevil and Doom?
    I tried him with a bunch of teams. Problem is he's slow and weak. It's really hard keeping four or more enemy special tiles to keep his black firing. Even with and against Gritty he's not good and the games took much longer with him than without. I'm open to team suggestions though.
  • RickOShay
    RickOShay Posts: 452 Mover and Shaker
    Honestly I wouldn't mind seeing him Against 4* Carnage
    @Thanos
  • Chrynos1989
    Chrynos1989 Posts: 360 Mover and Shaker
    Thanos said:
    I was gonna make some Carnage videos but I'm too depressed by how bad he is. A shame cause his artwork is awesome.


     I think this is the best Carnage video I can make.



    **** did I just watch?! XD 
  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,495 Chairperson of the Boards
    You know, I'm actually quite curious to see him run with Banner now. Maybe throw Fisk in there for the Blue outlet and the ability to slide friendly specials to the enemy?
  • Thanos
    Thanos Posts: 722 Critical Contributor
    I guess seeing is believing. He actually slows Gritty down and Kitty's purple is counter-productive. If the other team isn't making their own special tiles it takes forever for Carnage to get his extra move going. He doesn't pair that well with DD cause if you use his purple you steal their specials and turn off Carnages extra move. Not much going on here with Thor/Okoye either.



    @RickOShay I'm still trying to find a 4* carnage team to play against.




  • Kolence
    Kolence Posts: 969 Critical Contributor
    @Thanos
    Would you please try Carnage/Kitty + tile spammer, like Gamora or C&D or maybe even Blade? 
    Also curious how his passive works when matching/destroying fortified special tiles. Maybe Panther or Prowler?
    Third wish would be to see Carol's green fired with Carnage around and some friendly tiles... :) 
  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,495 Chairperson of the Boards
    Seems like he wants a tile spammer, yeah. Match-4 line clears seem to be helping him out like they are everyone else these days too. 

    I was thinking Valkyrie or rescue, also Hela. Medusa is probably also good as a play-down-partner
  • Dancing_Lass
    Dancing_Lass Posts: 14 Just Dropped In
    Just boycott carnage.

    That's all it really matters.
  • jp1
    jp1 Posts: 1,081 Chairperson of the Boards
    This Halloween we’ve delivered a new character who is all trick no treat!  
    Based on the universally feared 4* Carnage but even more terrifying, he will be a real nightmare. Matched with his new iron girdle support he will be unstoppable! 

    So.... who is testing these characters pre-release? This one is just trolling if any QA was done at all.

    ”What’s the bottom line?”

    ”We need him to be able to take on Wa5p. Get back to us with the numbers.”

    ”Done.”
  • jredd
    jredd Posts: 1,387 Chairperson of the Boards
    jp1 said:
    It’s a small nitpick, but this Carnage doesn’t look very menacing either (perhaps because he isn’t). The artwork is nice and everything, no painted block of wood that is Cable, but he looks kind of feeble and cartoonish. 

    I’m actually relieved to have a 5* release that I’m perfectly fine having just one cover on though, gives me some breathing room.
    looks like a 10year old kid (that's pretty good at drawing) designed him. he does look rather foolish. worst visually designed character since creepy ice boy?
  • wymtime
    wymtime Posts: 3,762 Chairperson of the Boards
    This is my theory on carnage and how he got play tested.  When first designed he game 2 friendly attack tiles and 2 friendly strike tiles.  If you look at how weak these friendly tiles are it would make sense they would total around 500 damage for 2 attack tiles and 700is damage for 2 strike tiles.  It would also be strong double dipping each turn.  When play tested this became OP with Kitty because you would get so many special tiles out so quickly and with Kitty buffing them when you double dipped it would be devastating. 

    So play testing gets back to the team saying spamming so many special tiles is broken because Kitty .  So the devs nerf him to only spitting out one special tile at a time instead of 2.  The problem is they didn’t buff his tiles to do the same damage as if they were 2 special tiles.  Now we just get 1 weak attack tile and 1 fairly weak strike tile and the consensus is he is bad.

    now if the devs actively rebalanced their game on a regular basis let’s say quarterly this would not be a big deal they could let him release realize he is too under powered and just buff his tiles.  The problem is they don’t regularly rebalance their game and just let characters release then die in the game.
  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,454 Chairperson of the Boards
    What's up with the animation where it looks like he is riding an invisible tricycle slowly towards the screen?

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