New Event - Support Circuit Updated (1/28/19)

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  • jamesh
    jamesh Posts: 1,600 Chairperson of the Boards
    Richyyy said:
    I've found it slightly ridiculous that the lvl250 powers were listed in the announcement threads, considering how unlikely anyone was to obtain the 5* variant. But showing the lvl250 powers when I click on, say, the 1* Chimichanga in my Support Circuit vault is absolutely outrageous. That's a 'reward' that has a specifically defined power, and if you check it out beforehand it shows something entirely different. If I click on a 1* Iron Man cover in a vault or my queue, I don't get shown what 5* Iron Man could do at full power.

    All this support stuff is enough of a mess without wildly misleading (and probably illegal, frankly) information on top.
    If you get lucky and pull a support directly from the vault and it isn't level 250 as shown, I'd contact customer support.
    I know it is unlikely that they'll level it up for you, but it does add a cost to this kind of deceptive behaviour that could shape future behaviour.
  • SaltyK
    SaltyK Posts: 54 Match Maker
    edited January 2019
    jamesh said:
    If you get lucky and pull a support directly from the vault and it isn't level 250 as shown, I'd contact customer support.
    I know it is unlikely that they'll level it up for you, but it does add a cost to this kind of deceptive behaviour that could shape future behaviour.
    I got "lucky" and pulled the 2* Pocket Radio, it's 1/100.
    I doubt customer service will do anything.
  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,277 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited January 2019
    Dropped down to CL6 since the rewards (CP, vault tokens the only things that matter) are essentially the same for CL6-8 unless you finish 1st overall.

    I picked Slice 4 and it took 35 minutes to clear with my 4* roster after it opened tonight at 8 EST. The AI never fired a single power against GrockMorDusa during my full clear. I'm currently sitting 5th. A quick glance at the Top 10 shows I'm not alone. The 4 faster players than me all have champed 5* rosters and slots 6-10 are deep 4* roster.

    At the time I shut off the app there were only 2 rosters in the T20 who are legit CL6 players (3* rosters). Gotta feel for them because they won't finish T20 due to the presence of all the high tier rosters.

    Oh yeah. My 4 draws. 1500 ISO, 2* Torch, Daken and Wolvie. Not that I expected anything else.

    KGB
  • broll
    broll Posts: 4,732 Chairperson of the Boards
    I tried to play this event to the CP, but I couldn’t. It was just another PvE sub.  The only reward I truly care about is the CP and it’s not worth that much of an extra grind for it.  

    The only good thing about it for me is that because I don’t care about anything but the CP it will be super easy to skip and pretend it doesn’t exist (like all of supports)
  • fmftint
    fmftint Posts: 3,653 Chairperson of the Boards
    Can you really call it new content when it's simply a carbon copy of the old content?
  • Zeofar
    Zeofar Posts: 45 Just Dropped In
    Just did my first clear on this event. Loved it. Great variety from enemy teams, a cool miniboss node, and a bunch of rewards that I wasn't gonna get otherwise. Fun stuff and feels like a step in the right direction on every front for me. I hope devs aren't discouraged by players that just want to make roster progress in a game they don't actually enjoy playing.
  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,470 Chairperson of the Boards
    I went through SCL9 to progression, it was quite a slog. I’m not going to do a final grind, but I do progression only generally andwas never planning on that. I would much prefer if every node were a single clear.

    I ended up getting 5 draws in the vault, got 3 3*s, 500iso, and a 2* Thor. I was left feeling a bit like Ian Malcom: “you do...ah....plan to give out supports in your...uh....support event, right?”
  • zeroswitch
    zeroswitch Posts: 46 Just Dropped In
    edited January 2019
    Dragon_Nexus said:


    As for the touch issue, the hitbox on the larg pin is whack, yo. It's way bigger than the pin itself, which is why it's hard to hit nodes 1, 2 and 9 without hitting the boss by accident. It's a big square around the pin. I've mapped it out...I mean what even the heck, dawg.
    I had the same problem.  Minor quibble but worth looking at.
    Otherwise, my experience with the Support Circuit is postive.  Cleared them all once, and with my 4 tokens I lucked out and got the 3rd prize out of 240 from the vault (2 star kimono beads, which I didn't have.)  


  • jamesh
    jamesh Posts: 1,600 Chairperson of the Boards
    SaltyK said:
    jamesh said:
    If you get lucky and pull a support directly from the vault and it isn't level 250 as shown, I'd contact customer support.
    I know it is unlikely that they'll level it up for you, but it does add a cost to this kind of deceptive behaviour that could shape future behaviour.
    I got "lucky" and pulled the 2* Pocket Radio, it's 1/100.
    I doubt customer service will do anything.
    To be clear, I don't expect them to do anything either.  I still think it is worth while for you to contact them anyway.  If a deceptive behaviour has no cost (or even drives HP sales from people chasing the supports in the vault), then they will continue on.
    Each support ticket costs money to process, so it can help shape development priorities.
  • skittledaddy
    skittledaddy Posts: 1,001 Chairperson of the Boards
    I expected a whole lot of nothing from this event, but played it anyway. Had to try it, even if just once. 

    Completed 3.7 with relative ease. Challenge was appropriate for SCL7. Got the 7 CP I wanted and planned to move on. Instead I had lucky enough results in the Vault

    Mystique
    SWitch
    iso
    Advanced Support Token

    Popped my Adv Token and got a 4* Dora Milaje. My first 4* support! Not necessarily a great support, but more versatile than my previous 2* version. 


    I guess I'm not allowed to complain until next week...
  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards
    In order to change how supports is distributed, such as putting a beginner or Advancd support token in progression for every event, and let players feel a sense of progress, the dev must change all Supports to require up to 250 pulls of that same Support to max level that Support and remove the current "Pull Rank 3 to max level to 150 and pull Rank 4 to max level to 200" so on and so forth. Instead of Pulling Rank 3 and you can max level it to 150, you probably need to pull 50 Rank 3 of that same support to level it to 150.

    The reasons for so many dupes and the slow support distribution, that I believe, lies in the way Support and Character are collected, earned and levelled up. 

    1) You need 113 comic covers to max level characters beginning from 3* tiers, whereas you need just 1 Support Token to unlock whatever Rank that support gives. Getting a Rank 3 support is like getting a champed 3*, in one pull.

    2) To get a 3* characters from 0 cover to 13 covers using pulls from Heroics token and BH aside, you need 1/5 * 1/47 or 235 pulls per cover or  3055 Heroic pulls to cover that specific character. Even for a 5*, you need to hoard 360 LTs or so for at least 6 months to champ all latest 5* characters. 

    3) You can feel progress for characters with X covers because they need 13 covers to champ and every non-dupe cover increase their powers. You need only 1 Support token to feel the full effect of whatever that perks that Rank give you. Of course, you are going to get dupes after dupes. 

    4) Right now, there are only 42 Supports that can be pulled and don't forget, the devs gave at least 10 Beginner and Advance tokens to every players freely, up till Rank 2 Wasp Gauntlets support(?). By now, many players would have ~ 50% of the supports. You are going to see dupes and more dupes.

    5) Even if the developer put a beginner support token in progression for every PvE, they are going to hear complain about getting dupes, or either that, Rank 1, Rank 2 or even Rank 3 perks are a joke. If they switch the way supports are levelled up, the focus will be how they have to grind to level up support. End of the day, the devs can implement all these things, but they won't be satisified until they can get Rank 5 support of their choice. 


  • 1882
    1882 Posts: 39 Just Dropped In
    I think D3go missed a trick with the new support thing! I believe they should have made it like DDQ. But you earn a master support token not a LL on the big one. Seems a lot of work the way they have done it. Imo. 
  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,342 Chairperson of the Boards
    HoundofShadow said:


    2) To get a 3* characters from 0 cover to 13 covers using pulls from Heroics token and BH aside, you need 1/5 * 1/47 or 235 pulls per cover or  3055 Heroic pulls to cover that specific character. Even for a 5*, you need to hoard 360 LTs or so for at least 6 months to champ all latest 5* characters. 




    I don't see how you can leave aside bonus heroes when talking about this, bonus heroes are now an integral part of this game and the advancement of player progress. It is perfectly possible to bonus hero a 3* to champion state in a few weeks, I've done it many times, mostly when I was at the 3* level. So that makes the 3055 Heroic pulls stat meaningless. That is without even considering that every 3* cover will have a chance at guaranteed covers via DDQ, PvE and PvP and Champion levels from certain 2*. Sure, you might have to wait for them to cycle but it is guaranteed. So with one run at SCL7 PvE you can get 2 guaranteed progression covers (3 at SCL8), 1 guaranteed cover from PvP progression, 1 guaranteed cover from DDQ and 3 guaranteed covers from certain 2*. So you can get more than 50% of covers from a 3* before you even touch a token, no RNG involved. That also doesn't include placement.

    Also - why only Heroics? You can obtain 3* from Elite tokens which are obtained on an even greater frequency than Heroics, thus again impacting any required amount of pulls.

    So basically, obtaining champed 3* characters is not overly reliant on RNG and for certain ones (we didn't specify which) the game helps us out with getting there. I don't see the same non RNG path to a 3* Support.

    As you have on more than one ocassion used my exact argument above (except without anywhere near the same amount of guaranteed covers) to argue that players should be easily able to prep for SHIELD Training, I'm a little surprised you have turned it on its head when it comes to Supports trying to suggest that champing a 3* is down to RNG via Heroics (and leaving out Elites).

    I think the playerbase would be pretty happy with the difficulty of obtaining a 3* Support being equal to the difficulty of obtaining a 3* Champion.
  • broll
    broll Posts: 4,732 Chairperson of the Boards
    Also why in the world are these new support stores always showing vs only showing when you have tokens?  Making them only show unless you had tokens (or there was some buy option) was genius and a great way to cut down on the ridiculous amount of cluttered screens in the recruit section.  I hope that's just a mistake/oversight.
  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards
    The reason why I didn't include Elite or even Standard Tokens, DDQ, PvE etc is because there are too many variables to make a fair comparison. Even if you factor in BH, it's every 100 Heroics token pull on average to get one 3* bonus heroes. Besides, you can't control what colours of the cover you can get. You just spelled out that you need weeks to champion a 3* and we are not even talking about max champing. You don't need weeks to reach the max level of whatever Rank you got for support, you need 1 pull, the right pull, which is going to take seconds to get that.

    Also, the reason why I chose 3* and 5* as examples is because it was chosen at random. 

    Secondly, I have no idea what you meant by this:

    "As you have on more than one ocassion used my exact argument above (except without anywhere near the same amount of guaranteed covers) to argue that players should be easily able to prep for SHIELD Training...."

    I think you got the wrong person because I was never an advocate for players to be able to complete SHIELD Training easily. 

    Players right now can easily get Rank 3 Supports. It's up to them to pull the trigger. Players can get guaranteed support tokens for 4800HP or 250CP in HfH store if they don't feel like competing for placement to get those tokens or to try their luck at vault.  They are only seconds away.
  • Ed_Dragonrider
    Ed_Dragonrider Posts: 593 Critical Contributor
    broll said:
    Also why in the world are these new support stores always showing vs only showing when you have tokens?  Making them only show unless you had tokens (or there was some buy option) was genius and a great way to cut down on the ridiculous amount of cluttered screens in the recruit section.  I hope that's just a mistake/oversight.
     I get that you hate supports and everything associated with them, with every fiber of your being, but just no. 

    Invisible stores do not entice or motivate. They do not temp. The 'out of sight, out of mind' attitude is not the best when you actually want people spending and chasing after things.

    I for one hate being exluded from things. Even things im not yet eligible for. But maybe ask for a toggle or button to help you hide it, if this upsets you so much...
  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 5,847 Chairperson of the Boards
    broll said:
    Also why in the world are these new support stores always showing vs only showing when you have tokens?  Making them only show unless you had tokens (or there was some buy option) was genius and a great way to cut down on the ridiculous amount of cluttered screens in the recruit section.  I hope that's just a mistake/oversight.
    The Support Store, which is now going to update with the current pool of Supports on an ongoing basis, has been an always-existing page for some time now.  Unlike Elites, for example, it remains even if you have no tokens to use.  I assume this change was made because there have (before now) been times when there was literally no way to actually purchase or attempt to chase Support tokens in the game.  (Usually during new release events, and I think, bosses.)  So in case you forgot about Supports, you would see the Support page as a reminder that they are in the game and could sometimes be acquired.

    The new omnipresent Support Circuit Vault corrects that situation (in terms of a store always existing regardless of which event is running).  Those who are uninterested in Supports should probably be glad the SC Vault is at the far right of the other store pages (besides any post event tokens you may have).

    If for some reason anyone hasn't opened the old Supports, you probably should just do that now to cut down on Store Page Clutter.
  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,342 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited January 2019
    HoundofShadow said:
    The reason why I didn't include Elite or even Standard Tokens, DDQ, PvE etc is because there are too many variables to make a fair comparison. Even if you factor in BH, it's every 100 Heroics token pull on average to get one 3* bonus heroes. Besides, you can't control what colours of the cover you can get. You just spelled out that you need weeks to champion a 3* and we are not even talking about max champing. You don't need weeks to reach the max level of whatever Rank you got for support, you need 1 pull, the right pull, which is going to take seconds to get that.

    Also, the reason why I chose 3* and 5* as examples is because it was chosen at random. 

    Secondly, I have no idea what you meant by this:

    "As you have on more than one ocassion used my exact argument above (except without anywhere near the same amount of guaranteed covers) to argue that players should be easily able to prep for SHIELD Training...."

    I think you got the wrong person because I was never an advocate for players to be able to complete SHIELD Training easily. 

    Players right now can easily get Rank 3 Supports. It's up to them to pull the trigger. Players can get guaranteed support tokens for 4800HP or 250CP in HfH store if they don't feel like competing for placement to get those tokens or to try their luck at vault.  They are only seconds away.
    What I meant was that you have frequently listed all the ways to obtain 4* covers for SHIELD Training (most of which normally required placement) to demonstrate that complaints about use of new characters is invalid in such events. Yet you flipped the logic on that when it came to comparing how "easy" it is to champion a 3* by using very narrowly defined parameters.

    You also never mentioned any equivalence to a "max champed 3*" - you said getting a 3* character from 0 to 13 covers.

    You can control the colour of covers you get from DDQ, PvE, PvP and Champ rewards as they are specified.

    So would we agree that in fact, obtaining a 3* Support by anything other than RNG or spending is actually much harder than champing a 3*?

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