sh81 said: I did. n=1 and all that, but I made 40 wins in every event, and 72 in sim.
Beer40 said: Wow! Money talked in this case.Interesting that MPQ doesn't appear willing to compromise between factions just yet. Maybe they still will, who knows?
BoyWonder1914 said: Like clockwork, here we go again with the ignorant complaints that "higher level" rosters shouldn't have their voices heard at all.......as if having a higher level roster isn't your end game. You don't need to be a whale to have 5-star rosters, or a well developed 4-star roster. Your roster capability improves as you champ more characters, and thus your MMR gives you tougher matches. In the points-based system, you are rewarded for this by being given higher point value matches against tougher opponents, and thus can achieve progression goals quicker. In the wins-based system, you are punished for this by being forced to slog through matches of this same MMR for nothing more than a mere +1 to your win total. You gaming MMR by tanking points to stay at lower point levels and pick off 3-stars/unboosted 4s wasn't the way the system intended you to play through it. You want to be rewarded for picking on the kids playing in the sandbox, because a +1 would mean the same regardless of who you get it against. Fighting a tougher opponent should be worth more than beating up on someone who's not even close to your level, and there's no logic you can conjure up to deny that. PVP represents the highest level that this game can be played at. It can be a proving ground, a training arena, or a testing site for roster combinations, but the one thing it was NEVER meant to be was charity. I will gladly admit that it is not intuitive whatsover, and not conducive to those who don't want to spend on shields, but at some point you must have realized that they weren't going to stay happy with the mass numbers of people who no longer cared about shielding. Shielding was literally the only aspect of PVP that generated any kind of revenue for them, and they designed a play system where an overwhelming majority of it's participants could completely ignore it. There was nothing that created a competitive desire to gain an edge over people when everyone could just casually play when they wanted over the 2 days and still get all the intended rewards minus the final CP. Instead of whining every time you get hit, and giving up complaining that it's too hard because you actually have to use some strategy now, LEARN from the experience. Take note of what point levels you see certain teams, and what point levels you stop seeing certain teams. Take note of how long you can go unshielded at certain point levels before someone hits you, what kinds of characters you're using when you take the most hits, how frequently hits may come. On the other side, what kinds of teams are people largely avoiding when you use them? What level of points are you "safe" at when you're not using an A-team? When you ARE using an A-team? At what point do the 40+ point matches start to go away, how much time is left when you see the most high-point matches, etc......There is quite a wealth of knowledge to be gained if you take the time to account for it, and I assure you it will make you a better player. Knowing how to do a double-hop against boosted-4 star characters in 5 minutes or less comes in pretty handy when you're competing in PVE with rosters that can do their clears in 30-45 minutes. That's not your style, and you want to be able to just mindlessly charge through whoever you're capable of beating 40 times and get your rewards, fine, but PVP was never meant to reward people who throw strategy out the window. You got a taste of what it's like to be rewarded for it and now you feel the need to get on a soapbox. I get that this gates off a lot of things from 3* star players and those that are getting into the 4* transition, but they were gated from all of us when we were at your level. You build your 4-star roster with PVE progression/placement rewards, CP/LT pulls, and heroics/event tokens. Not being able to get 1 4-star cover now from PVP isn't going to hamper your ability to do that. Keep champing your 4s, you'll start to have more boosted characters, and you will be able to be more competitive, score higher, and take less hits because less people are capable of messing with you. It's SUPPOSED to get easier as you level up, not harder.
Phumade said: BoyWonder1914 said: Like clockwork, here we go again with the ignorant complaints that "higher level" rosters shouldn't have their voices heard at all...... Alot of truth to this
BoyWonder1914 said: Like clockwork, here we go again with the ignorant complaints that "higher level" rosters shouldn't have their voices heard at all......
BoyWonder1914 said: Like clockwork, here we go again with the ignorant complaints that "higher level" rosters shouldn't have their voices heard at all.......
Beer40 said: Phumade said: BoyWonder1914 said: Like clockwork, here we go again with the ignorant complaints that "higher level" rosters shouldn't have their voices heard at all...... Alot of truth to this That's true but.... BoyWonder1914 said: Like clockwork, here we go again with the ignorant complaints that "higher level" rosters shouldn't have their voices heard at all....... How many people that the insightful comment was intended for actually read it after being insulted in the opening line? You catch more flies with honey and all....
Sim Mayor said: Like clockwork, here we go again with ignorant claims that the casual players who enjoy being able to play a few rounds here and there at their own pace without having to spend hard-earned HP on shields are whiners who just don't understand the game as well as people who enjoy shield-hopping.Win-based PVP allowed me to play a half-dozen casual rounds on the bus to and from work and still get decent progression rewards. I didn't have to worry about the game eating into my home life or causing me to worry about losing progress if I didn't check in every X number of hours to play some high-pressure rounds with a stopwatch in my other hand.Thanks MPQ. At least I felt like I was valued for a whole season.
Sim Mayor said: BoyWonder1914 said: Like clockwork, here we go again with the ignorant complaints that "higher level" rosters shouldn't have their voices heard at all.......as if having a higher level roster isn't your end game. You don't need to be a whale to have 5-star rosters, or a well developed 4-star roster. Your roster capability improves as you champ more characters, and thus your MMR gives you tougher matches. In the points-based system, you are rewarded for this by being given higher point value matches against tougher opponents, and thus can achieve progression goals quicker. In the wins-based system, you are punished for this by being forced to slog through matches of this same MMR for nothing more than a mere +1 to your win total. You gaming MMR by tanking points to stay at lower point levels and pick off 3-stars/unboosted 4s wasn't the way the system intended you to play through it. You want to be rewarded for picking on the kids playing in the sandbox, because a +1 would mean the same regardless of who you get it against. Fighting a tougher opponent should be worth more than beating up on someone who's not even close to your level, and there's no logic you can conjure up to deny that. PVP represents the highest level that this game can be played at. It can be a proving ground, a training arena, or a testing site for roster combinations, but the one thing it was NEVER meant to be was charity. I will gladly admit that it is not intuitive whatsover, and not conducive to those who don't want to spend on shields, but at some point you must have realized that they weren't going to stay happy with the mass numbers of people who no longer cared about shielding. Shielding was literally the only aspect of PVP that generated any kind of revenue for them, and they designed a play system where an overwhelming majority of it's participants could completely ignore it. There was nothing that created a competitive desire to gain an edge over people when everyone could just casually play when they wanted over the 2 days and still get all the intended rewards minus the final CP. Instead of whining every time you get hit, and giving up complaining that it's too hard because you actually have to use some strategy now, LEARN from the experience. Take note of what point levels you see certain teams, and what point levels you stop seeing certain teams. Take note of how long you can go unshielded at certain point levels before someone hits you, what kinds of characters you're using when you take the most hits, how frequently hits may come. On the other side, what kinds of teams are people largely avoiding when you use them? What level of points are you "safe" at when you're not using an A-team? When you ARE using an A-team? At what point do the 40+ point matches start to go away, how much time is left when you see the most high-point matches, etc......There is quite a wealth of knowledge to be gained if you take the time to account for it, and I assure you it will make you a better player. Knowing how to do a double-hop against boosted-4 star characters in 5 minutes or less comes in pretty handy when you're competing in PVE with rosters that can do their clears in 30-45 minutes. That's not your style, and you want to be able to just mindlessly charge through whoever you're capable of beating 40 times and get your rewards, fine, but PVP was never meant to reward people who throw strategy out the window. You got a taste of what it's like to be rewarded for it and now you feel the need to get on a soapbox. I get that this gates off a lot of things from 3* star players and those that are getting into the 4* transition, but they were gated from all of us when we were at your level. You build your 4-star roster with PVE progression/placement rewards, CP/LT pulls, and heroics/event tokens. Not being able to get 1 4-star cover now from PVP isn't going to hamper your ability to do that. Keep champing your 4s, you'll start to have more boosted characters, and you will be able to be more competitive, score higher, and take less hits because less people are capable of messing with you. It's SUPPOSED to get easier as you level up, not harder. Like clockwork, here we go again with ignorant claims that the casual players who enjoy being able to play a few rounds here and there at their own pace without having to spend hard-earned HP on shields are whiners who just don't understand the game as well as people who enjoy shield-hopping.Win-based PVP allowed me to play a half-dozen casual rounds on the bus to and from work and still get decent progression rewards. I didn't have to worry about the game eating into my home life or causing me to worry about losing progress if I didn't check in every X number of hours to play some high-pressure rounds with a stopwatch in my other hand.Thanks MPQ. At least I felt like I was valued for a whole season.
acescracked said: sh81 said: So now MPQ is tailored completely to 5* players. Both PVP and PVE have been bent to their will.I wonder what the participation metrics will look like over the next season when the average player looks at either game mode and realises they have very little to play for?Of course, so long as the money keeps coming in MPQ wont care, will they?This move is clearly financially driven. They have reverted right back to what the spenders want.If it wasnt, they wouldnt have made this move.They would have adjusted the new system to be more accommodating, not thrown it out completely.Two things people said (of all levels), consistently, would help:1) CP back in progression2) Open up MMRIf this was a game design choice, these points would have been attempted.Instead, going right back to the PVP of old, its clear its all about the $$$.Welcome to MPQ, where 5* or whale players rule, and everyone else gets dumped on.I find this reversal to be the most distasteful thing the game has done in my 1013 days playing.At least there is no pretending any more, we know what they are about.I had reached a nice point with the game where I was very happy playing, and felt it was worth what time I put into it. Now, honestly, I have to give that some serious thought. You need to probably take a break from the game. It's stressing you out too much. You are addicted to it too, not healthy.
sh81 said: So now MPQ is tailored completely to 5* players. Both PVP and PVE have been bent to their will.I wonder what the participation metrics will look like over the next season when the average player looks at either game mode and realises they have very little to play for?Of course, so long as the money keeps coming in MPQ wont care, will they?This move is clearly financially driven. They have reverted right back to what the spenders want.If it wasnt, they wouldnt have made this move.They would have adjusted the new system to be more accommodating, not thrown it out completely.Two things people said (of all levels), consistently, would help:1) CP back in progression2) Open up MMRIf this was a game design choice, these points would have been attempted.Instead, going right back to the PVP of old, its clear its all about the $$$.Welcome to MPQ, where 5* or whale players rule, and everyone else gets dumped on.I find this reversal to be the most distasteful thing the game has done in my 1013 days playing.At least there is no pretending any more, we know what they are about.I had reached a nice point with the game where I was very happy playing, and felt it was worth what time I put into it. Now, honestly, I have to give that some serious thought.
shardwick said: Oh if I had a dollar for every comment that I saw about 5* players bragging about going seal clubbing or begging and screaming for the MMR to be opened up so that they could attack 4* players and below. Also, you really shouldn't trash others for wanting to voice their opinion and being on a soapbox as you do the exact same thing. Just sayin'.
morgh said: Absolutely horrible... so no 4*s again since 900 is out of reach... great going all you whiners with full 5* rosters.
BoyWonder1914 said: There is quite a wealth of knowledge to be gained if you take the time to account for it, and I assure you it will make you a better player.
Felessa said: Well, I liked the win system, but thought 40 wins was very hight too... but comeback to the masochism of gain/loss progression points wasn't exactly what I expected... Last season I reached the 4* cover in Versus for the first time ever... and it was wonderful! And I did it in 4 events. Now? No more 4* covers from Versus like it used to be... less rewards overall... and no more variety of characters to fight/use too. I just really hope that a better solution is found next season.