New Feature: Bonus Heroes! *Updated (3/1/17)

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  • revskip
    revskip Posts: 1,038 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited March 2017
    whycantwesyncpc wrote:
    What about those of us that don't have any well covered 4*'s? It's pure tinykitty that I am going to get punished for not being far along in my roster progression. Can't add champ levels to more than half my 3* characters and can't cover most of the 4*'s. So I now have to add every excluded character to my favorites and dilute a 5% change greatly. So stupid. This should be optional. Huge disservice to those of us that need the stuff being rotated out.

    This will actually help you cover 4*s faster since you'll only be drawing the most recent 12. Hoard for a month or so and you should be able to completely cover at least one 4* from that group before they rotate the next ones in.

    And for the older characters just favorite one character at a time. Will help with wasted covers since you will be getting the bonus for just one character at a time so you can plan your ISO needs a little more carefully.
  • mega ghost
    mega ghost Posts: 1,156 Chairperson of the Boards
    By and large I'm happy with this, but would argue that some new option needs to exist that allows for RNG pulls of older 4* characters and vaulted 3* characters. My recommendation:

    Make the Latest Legends tokens focus on the 12 new 4* characters (so for 25 CP you have the 85% chance of pulling one of them), and the Classic Legends focus on the the older 4* characters (for 20 CP you can pull any older 4*, but the newest 12 will be excluded from this pack.)

    Similarly, offer two Heroic token stores now: there will still only be one Heroic token, but we can opt to pull it from either of the stores, one which has odds for the 12 newest 4* characters and 20 selected 3* characters, and one that has odds for all the rest and that excludes the newer/selected characters in the other Heroic store.

    To simplify things, Elite tokens could just focus on the 20 selected 3* characters (which, as I noted in a previous post, I hope is a rotating list.)
  • smkspy
    smkspy Posts: 2,024 Chairperson of the Boards
    Jaedenkaal wrote:
    smkspy wrote:
    Add to that, by favoring characters like starlord or X23 that both sit at 5-1-5, I'm just wasting a chance to add covers to much lower characters that I have 4 or less covers in their powers.

    In fairness, that's neither better or worse than the previous system. Actually it's probably a little better because you can decide to never see a star-lord or X-23 cover. If you do want to see them, you can (if you want) see them with higher odds than you could yesterday. The chance of getting the colour you want is still only 1/3.

    True, but give the ultra low chances of these bonus heroes, it's even more of waste imo to invest on them when you know that selecting others will definitely give you a useable cover.

    As it stands, I'm just better off patently waiting for that fateful day that pve progression gives me starlord yellow or X23 red.

    However this is work great for me covering all the recent 4s that just sit idling in my roster for months, like Blade.
  • Dayv
    Dayv Posts: 4,449 Chairperson of the Boards
    Jaedenkaal wrote:
    Look on the bright side. You'll never have to see another (randomly-generated) Elektra, Reed, or Brock Venom cover ever again, if you don't want to.
    Sure, that's great, except that I champed two of those three characters to make their covers into valuable rewards again. Total waste now.
  • firethorne
    firethorne Posts: 1,505 Chairperson of the Boards
    MidniteRider7462 wrote:
    xidragonxi wrote:
    GrumpySmurf1002 wrote:
    Now, one can argue which is better, but the end goal here sure seems like they're trying to flatten out the availability of the tier to create more interest in the newer heroes. That's not a terrible goal honestly, since a big gripe is how irrelevant new releases are currently.

    There was an easy solution to this: Put the latest 12 (or whatever the number is) 4* characters in LATEST LEGENDS tokens, and the older 20-30 4* characters in CLASSIC LEGENDS tokens.

    Problem solved. Fewer people annoyed. Want the shiny new character? Pony up an extra 5 CP. Want an older one? You got it.

    ^^ 100% THIS ^^!!!

    Expanding on this, now that we know token draws can look at a few more variables, why not have a new token category that will behave based upon which characters you have fully covered? If you have Electra fully covered, you won't draw her, but if you have a 5/4/3 Thing, he's still in the pack for you personally, even though he might not be in there for your mates?

    It would still be the same odds, 15% for a 5*, 85% for 4*. But, these categories would be tailored to your current roster. Would anyone be interested in an "Always usable" token? You could have a separate side of that coin for an "Always a champ level" type draw.
  • broll
    broll Posts: 4,732 Chairperson of the Boards
    I'm glad I got the PunMax, Prof X, Red Hulk, Cyclops, and XFW before this cause now it seems like it will be impossible to get anything but new 4*.

    I was so excited for this feature now I'm wondering if I should bother playing at all anymore. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Couldn't have missed the mark by more...

    To be far the Bonus heros thing sounds pretty cool if you didn't mess up the legends so much... I'm so angry right now. icon_redface.gificon_redface.gificon_redface.gif
  • Jaedenkaal
    Jaedenkaal Posts: 3,357 Chairperson of the Boards
    smkspy wrote:
    Jaedenkaal wrote:
    smkspy wrote:
    Add to that, by favoring characters like starlord or X23 that both sit at 5-1-5, I'm just wasting a chance to add covers to much lower characters that I have 4 or less covers in their powers.

    In fairness, that's neither better or worse than the previous system. Actually it's probably a little better because you can decide to never see a star-lord or X-23 cover. If you do want to see them, you can (if you want) see them with higher odds than you could yesterday. The chance of getting the colour you want is still only 1/3.

    True, but give the ultra low chances of these bonus heroes, it's even more of waste imo to invest on them when you know that selecting others will definitely give you a useable cover.

    As it stands, I'm just better off patently waiting for that fateful day that pve progression gives me starlord yellow or X23 red.

    However this is work great for me covering all the recent 4s that just sit idling in my roster for months, like Blade.


    My 5/1/5 War Machine agrees with you completely. I'll probably hope for a cover from PVE progression and just buy the last one. Or I guess I could favorite-push quicksilver to whatever level nets me his blue. 223. Ok that's not completely terrible.

    The impact of this change will definitely take some time to judge.
  • Dayv
    Dayv Posts: 4,449 Chairperson of the Boards
    Borstock wrote:
    DayvBang wrote:
    Borstock wrote:
    Arphaxad wrote:
    How are players supposed to get 4* covers for older champions? Not all of us can finish in the top 10 of slices to get rewards.

    By making those characters your "favorites".
    And then getting very, very lucky.

    You always needed to be very, very lucky to get the exact color cover of the exact character you need.
    And you still do. This comment was about champions, for whom color of a cover reward no longer matters. Absolutely nothing has changed to fix the problem of unusable covers.
  • TheDrStrange
    TheDrStrange Posts: 89 Match Maker
    I had a small horde of tokens. 14 Latest and 340 CP. I opted to use the CP on Classic Legends. I pulled one bonus 4-star (Peggy Carter) and one bonus 5-star (Red OML). The only unfortunate thing is that Red OML is the only cover I have maxed on my 5s. So, I got a useless extra cover. Otherwise, I pulled a whole bunch of 4-star covers I could use which is great. If only the OML was a color I needed, it would have been perfect. Still, a nice boost to get extra stuff, and I guess it was my choice to pick a 5-star I could get a useless cover on. Maybe I'll have better luck next time.
  • killerkoala
    killerkoala Posts: 1,185 Chairperson of the Boards
    IDK if this was asked earlier but do we get bonus tokens from post event pulls?
  • Jaedenkaal
    Jaedenkaal Posts: 3,357 Chairperson of the Boards
    DayvBang wrote:
    Jaedenkaal wrote:
    Look on the bright side. You'll never have to see another (randomly-generated) Elektra, Reed, or Brock Venom cover ever again, if you don't want to.
    Sure, that's great, except that I champed two of those three characters to make their covers into valuable rewards again. Total waste now.

    Yeah I don't have much to offer you there. I'm guessing they'll still be in vaults, and progression/placement rewards. Well it's not a total waste. There are no rewards unique to any of them that you can't get anywhere else. If you're close to a good one, you could make the push to get to that champion level and then move to someone else. That's what I'll be doing first, getting everyone to 271 for the token.
    killerkoala wrote:
    IDK if this was asked earlier but do we get bonus tokens from post event pulls?
    No bonus tokens from vaults. Oh, you mean from archived vaults? That's a good question. I'd guess no.
  • firethorne
    firethorne Posts: 1,505 Chairperson of the Boards
    mpqr7 wrote:
    Very cool feature! I'm excited to get additional chances at winning more covers. Thank you!!!



    My OML is 5/1/5. If I select OML as my favorite, am I guaranteed to win an OML yellow (if I win)? Or I could also win an OML black or red (which won't be helpful for me)?

    And I only win a 5* if the draw is for a 5*?

    (5*s are all I really care about currently).

    Nope, you aren't guaranteed a yellow. If you hit the bonus, you still have a 2 out of 3 chance the bonus will be wasted.

    Correct, you only can get the 5* bonus if the initial draw was a 5*.
  • Dayv
    Dayv Posts: 4,449 Chairperson of the Boards
    Not speaking as a moderator:

    I seriously can't believe we're not only going back to vaulted covers, but more heavily vaulted than ever before. Over two-thirds of 4* removed from most tokens. Almost my entire set of 4* champs cut off of further levels except for the one I decide to focus on.

    This is a total "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory" moment. They've given us what looks like a nice (but highly unreliable) way to occasionally get more covers for selected characters, but gutted the 4* and 3* reward pools in the process.

    Why is character vaulting in any way necessary to introduce bonus heroes? Why is it necessary at all?

    All this does is spoil the reception for bonus heroes by roping it to an utterly terrible decision.
  • whycantwesyncpc
    whycantwesyncpc Posts: 188 Tile Toppler
    I'm not pulling any tokens as I'm hoping they come to their senses on this one. Not feeling too motivated to play at all right now.
  • broll
    broll Posts: 4,732 Chairperson of the Boards
    whycantwesyncpc wrote:
    I'm not pulling any tokens as I'm hoping they come to their senses on this one. Not feeling too motivated to play at all right now.

    Exactly this. I had a rough day and was stressing out that I didn't get 5th and 6th clears. Now I'm wondering why I bother to turn the game on at all. I feel like I've been punched it the gut. You want a cool reward system? Sure, only if we take away all the positive roster development you spent a year on. **** you guys! Seriously **** right off!
  • sinnerjfl
    sinnerjfl Posts: 1,276 Chairperson of the Boards
    I know the feature is called "Bonus Heroes" but why does it feel that it should be called "Vaulting is back!"...

    5% chance of something happening really is insignificant in the grand scheme of things. You try to make it sound
    like its awesome and everything but it sounds more like an excuse to reintroduce vaulting.

    Vaulting a ton of characters and making them unavailable is a lot more important. You've basically killed your champions
    system with this vaulting stuff, way to go!

    You tried vaulting before, it was deemed a failure. Now let's try it again... I... dont... understand.

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  • Lukoil
    Lukoil Posts: 266 Mover and Shaker
    edited March 2017
    DayvBang wrote:
    Not speaking as a moderator:

    I seriously can't believe we're not only going back to vaulted covers, but more heavily vaulted than ever before. Over two-thirds of 4* removed from most tokens. Almost my entire set of 4* champs cut off of further levels except for the one I decide to focus on.

    This is a total "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory" moment. They've given us what looks like a nice (but highly unreliable) way to occasionally get more covers for selected characters, but gutted the 4* and 3* reward pools in the process.

    Why is character vaulting in any way necessary to introduce bonu.s heroes? Why is it necessary at all?

    All this does is spoil the reception for bonus heroes by roping it to an utterly terrible decision
    well I guess you misiing the point here. You actually can favorite ALL your characters and will have same pool as before. with 5% chance to get 4* cover you need.
  • Dragon_Nexus
    Dragon_Nexus Posts: 3,701 Chairperson of the Boards
    DayvBang wrote:
    Why is character vaulting in any way necessary to introduce bonus heroes? Why is it necessary at all?

    All this does is spoil the reception for bonus heroes by roping it to an utterly terrible decision.

    I can only assume the logic is that it shrinks the prize pool, ergo you have a higher chance of getting one of the handful of covers. "Oh hey, that 4* I really need is one of the 12 or so in the legendary token. I'll go for that!"

    It feels a little lame when I open a token and "Oh...a Red Hulk. Okay..." I mean sure, a champ level makes him more powerful, but a cover for my under-13s club would have been nice, too. I had a long run where every classic legendary I opened was just a champ level.

    So I can see where they're coming from with this, obviously newer 4*s are going to be more desirable and harder to come by.

    That said, limiting the number of 3*s available makes no sense to me. We're well past the point where 3*s are the strongly desirable aspect of the game. 3* is a stepping stone to 4* land now, the faster you can get them up and usable the better, so limiting the distribution doesn't help anyone there. We're not getting new 3*s that much, so saying "We're going to help you grab the new characters" is meaningless.

    I don't like the attitude I'm seeing from some posters here where it seems to be "I dislike this small aspect, ergo we need to trash the entire thing and start over". Not saying you're doing that, DavyBang, I'm just seeing it from other posters. It's not constructive and it's a brand new feature that can be tweaked as time goes on. Can we not just give it a chance for now?
  • spiderpool
    spiderpool Posts: 76 Match Maker
    I was really hoping this bonus hero thing would let me pick the color in searching for too. If I have a 5/5/0 oml and wanted to favorite red to finally finish him that would have been great. Now I just have to hope that I get a bonus oml and that it also happens to be red.
  • notamutant
    notamutant Posts: 855 Critical Contributor
    Pulled a Thanos from LL. Got a bonus OML. Pulled a Medusa yellow from CL, got a bonus Medusa yellow (she was at 1/5/5 before so I got really lucky I didn't end up with two extra covers to throw away). Then I decided to pull 10 more LL tokens, and got no more bonuses. I did however get extra covers for **** characters I didn't champion and didn't want to champion ever (Wasp). Before, I at least would've had a better chance of not pulling covers for a 4 star I didn't already champion or have no interest in. I have very mixed feelings on this. It will only be good if all the new characters released are good. Otherwise, I will be stuck with characters that are not only lower champion level than my older characters, but also worse.

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