firethorne wrote: Lukoil wrote: DayvBang wrote: Not speaking as a moderator: I seriously can't believe we're not only going back to vaulted covers, but more heavily vaulted than ever before. Over two-thirds of 4* removed from most tokens. Almost my entire set of 4* champs cut off of further levels except for the one I decide to focus on. This is a total "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory" moment. They've given us what looks like a nice (but highly unreliable) way to occasionally get more covers for selected characters, but gutted the 4* and 3* reward pools in the process. Why is character vaulting in any way necessary to introduce bonu.s heroes? Why is it necessary at all? All this does is spoil the reception for bonus heroes by roping it to an utterly terrible decision well I guess you misiing the point here. You actually can favorite ALL your characters and will have same pool as before. with 5% chance to get 4* cover you need. No, Lukoil, that isn't how it works. Each pull only has a 5% chance to get a Bonus Hero. If you mark everyone as a favorite, 95% of the draws you make will still not get any of them. You still are at significantly reduced odds to get the heroes that have been removed from the packs.
Lukoil wrote: DayvBang wrote: Not speaking as a moderator: I seriously can't believe we're not only going back to vaulted covers, but more heavily vaulted than ever before. Over two-thirds of 4* removed from most tokens. Almost my entire set of 4* champs cut off of further levels except for the one I decide to focus on. This is a total "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory" moment. They've given us what looks like a nice (but highly unreliable) way to occasionally get more covers for selected characters, but gutted the 4* and 3* reward pools in the process. Why is character vaulting in any way necessary to introduce bonu.s heroes? Why is it necessary at all? All this does is spoil the reception for bonus heroes by roping it to an utterly terrible decision well I guess you misiing the point here. You actually can favorite ALL your characters and will have same pool as before. with 5% chance to get 4* cover you need.
DayvBang wrote: Not speaking as a moderator: I seriously can't believe we're not only going back to vaulted covers, but more heavily vaulted than ever before. Over two-thirds of 4* removed from most tokens. Almost my entire set of 4* champs cut off of further levels except for the one I decide to focus on. This is a total "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory" moment. They've given us what looks like a nice (but highly unreliable) way to occasionally get more covers for selected characters, but gutted the 4* and 3* reward pools in the process. Why is character vaulting in any way necessary to introduce bonu.s heroes? Why is it necessary at all? All this does is spoil the reception for bonus heroes by roping it to an utterly terrible decision
Brigby wrote: What is the Chance to Get a Bonus Hero? Each single cover pack has a 5% chance to get a Bonus Hero. Each draw from a 10x and 40x cover pack has a 8% chance to get Bonus Hero. Every time you pull a 3-Star from a Standard Pack you will get an additional 3-Star Bonus Hero.What Characters Will I Get When I Get a Bonus Hero? You can get 3-Star, 4-Star, and 5-Star characters from Bonus Heroes. Whenever you draw a Bonus Hero, you will get one of the characters you chose as your favorite character in that rarity. For example, if you draw a 4-Star character and get a Bonus Hero, you will receive one of your favorite 4-Star characters.
Moon Roach wrote: firethorne wrote: Lukoil wrote: DayvBang wrote: Not speaking as a moderator: I seriously can't believe we're not only going back to vaulted covers, but more heavily vaulted than ever before. Over two-thirds of 4* removed from most tokens. Almost my entire set of 4* champs cut off of further levels except for the one I decide to focus on. This is a total "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory" moment. They've given us what looks like a nice (but highly unreliable) way to occasionally get more covers for selected characters, but gutted the 4* and 3* reward pools in the process. Why is character vaulting in any way necessary to introduce bonu.s heroes? Why is it necessary at all? All this does is spoil the reception for bonus heroes by roping it to an utterly terrible decision well I guess you misiing the point here. You actually can favorite ALL your characters and will have same pool as before. with 5% chance to get 4* cover you need. No, Lukoil, that isn't how it works. Each pull only has a 5% chance to get a Bonus Hero. If you mark everyone as a favorite, 95% of the draws you make will still not get any of them. You still are at significantly reduced odds to get the heroes that have been removed from the packs. Isn't it a little worse even than that? From Brigby's original post: Brigby wrote: What is the Chance to Get a Bonus Hero? Each single cover pack has a 5% chance to get a Bonus Hero. Each draw from a 10x and 40x cover pack has a 8% chance to get Bonus Hero. Every time you pull a 3-Star from a Standard Pack you will get an additional 3-Star Bonus Hero.What Characters Will I Get When I Get a Bonus Hero? You can get 3-Star, 4-Star, and 5-Star characters from Bonus Heroes. Whenever you draw a Bonus Hero, you will get one of the characters you chose as your favorite character in that rarity. For example, if you draw a 4-Star character and get a Bonus Hero, you will receive one of your favorite 4-Star characters. As I read these two in combination, if I open a single heroic token, and I get a 2*, I have a 0% chance of a bonus hero. The 5% applies only when I get a 3* or 4*.
whycantwesyncpc wrote: cpeyton3535 wrote: Lot of good comments on here of the pros and cons. I'm adopting a wait and see, but really don't like the older 4* and 3* toons going into purgatory. Some have suggested a legendary vault for those and I think that solves the problem. I'm off to post that in the suggestions forum. Curious. Following the logic stated, shouldn't Coulson be in the 4* list???? Or did I miss something? He won't be in tokens until the start of next season
cpeyton3535 wrote: Lot of good comments on here of the pros and cons. I'm adopting a wait and see, but really don't like the older 4* and 3* toons going into purgatory. Some have suggested a legendary vault for those and I think that solves the problem. I'm off to post that in the suggestions forum. Curious. Following the logic stated, shouldn't Coulson be in the 4* list???? Or did I miss something?
broll wrote: Dragon_Nexus wrote: obviously newer 4*s are going to be more desirable To you maybe! I could care less if I get any of the 12 in the next 3-6 months. I've got at least 1 cover to so I can play them when they are required. But I'd rather focus on building my top tier 4* to champ level so I can actually play competitively. But no, now I'll get saddled with flavors of the month constantly. Also a lot of people in my alliance are still in 2* territory struggling to have the 4*s for required. So I guess they're just totally out of luck of ever having those required characters.
Dragon_Nexus wrote: obviously newer 4*s are going to be more desirable
Nellobee wrote: So....I now have a 15% chance to get a 5% chance to get a 33% chance of getting the OML yellow I need to make me able to play at the 5* tier?
nick_chicane wrote: People just love to complain. Before, packs were becoming too diluted so they could never draw the character they wanted. Now, with packs watered down, people now complain that they cant get a specific character. How do they win?
broll wrote: nick_chicane wrote: People just love to complain. Before, packs were becoming too diluted so they could never draw the character they wanted. Now, with packs watered down, people now complain that they cant get a specific character. How do they win? Bite me. We told them multiple times. Just make a few LT packs with different characters. Hell I'd be fine otherwise they just made classics all but the other 12.
Lukoil wrote: broll wrote: Lukoil wrote: sinnerjfl wrote: Vaulting a ton of characters and making them unavailable is a lot more important. You've basically killed your champions system with this vaulting stuff, way to go! But you can make them available just by selecting all of them as favorites So instead of RNG they are now an RNG to an RNG to an RNG. I'm thrilled. If you don't care what you get from token, then RNG is not the problem here. If you care - now you have controlled RNG and can select specific characters and have 5% to pull them off from tokens.
broll wrote: Lukoil wrote: sinnerjfl wrote: Vaulting a ton of characters and making them unavailable is a lot more important. You've basically killed your champions system with this vaulting stuff, way to go! But you can make them available just by selecting all of them as favorites So instead of RNG they are now an RNG to an RNG to an RNG. I'm thrilled.
Lukoil wrote: sinnerjfl wrote: Vaulting a ton of characters and making them unavailable is a lot more important. You've basically killed your champions system with this vaulting stuff, way to go! But you can make them available just by selecting all of them as favorites
sinnerjfl wrote: Vaulting a ton of characters and making them unavailable is a lot more important. You've basically killed your champions system with this vaulting stuff, way to go!
nick_chicane wrote: People just love to complain. Before, packs were becoming too diluted so they could never draw the character they wanted. Now, with packs watered down, people complain that they cant get a specific character. How do they win?
Brigby wrote: What Characters are Available? Packs that contain 3-Star and 4-Star characters contain a subset of them (packs that contain 1-Star and 2-Stars will continue to include all 1-Stars and 2-Stars). Packs that contain 3-Stars will only include twenty characters. These characters are initially comprised of characters that the Design team has chosen. Packs that contain 4-Stars include the twelve latest released characters. New characters will be added to the packs shortly after they are released (see the section What is the New Character Tag? below for more information). When a new character is added to the packs, the character released the earliest is removed from the pack.