New Feature: Bonus Heroes! *Updated (3/1/17)

Jaedenkaal

You have a 100% chance to get a bonus (3*) cover when you pull a 3* in a standard token. I believe the odds of that are now listed as 1/7.

It's still possible that they've weighted the odds in such a way that you DO have a 5% chance to get a bonus cover from heroic token, by baking the 5% chance into the first roll. I haven't pulled enough tokens (any, in fact) to justify this with any data, but it IS possible.

tgibbs40

broll wrote:

Dragon_Nexus wrote:

obviously newer 4*s are going to be more desirable

To you maybe! I could care less if I get any of the 12 in the next 3-6 months. I've got at least 1 cover to so I can play them when they are required. But I'd rather focus on building my top tier 4* to champ level so I can actually play competitively. But no, now I'll get saddled with flavors of the month constantly.

Also a lot of people in my alliance are still in 2* territory struggling to have the 4*s for required. So I guess they're just totally out of luck of ever having those required characters.

Great point here! Would this be as much of an issue if they were giving us new characters we requested? I say no. So if they want us to focus on new characters, give us the ones people want....NOT the ones they give us.

Jaedenkaal

Nellobee wrote:

So....I now have a 15% chance to get a 5% chance to get a 33% chance of getting the OML yellow I need to make me able to play at the 5* tier?

You have that chance, yes, in addition to the 15% chance to get a 10% (and dropping) chance to get a 33% chance that you always had in classic tokens. Plus you also have that chance you listed above to get that OML yellow from Latest Legends in addition to whatever you pulled normally.

Orion

This is a big problem for the hoarders. I'm hoarding Latest pulls to champ a bunch of 5*s at once. I was hoping for a bunch of 4* champ rewards to help me out. But instead I'm going to be flooded with a bunch of newer 4* covers that I don't have champed yet. So I have to save enough ISO to champ all of these guys too? Not cool, D3.

whycantwesyncpc

Since their a more serious gamer's here than I am, can anyone recommend a good replacement game? I'm not sticking around for the tinykitty. Doesn't have to be a matching game but I do like something slow paced. I like that I am not on a timer with this game (over then the overall event timers) so if I get interrupted while playing I don't hold someone up or lose because I have to stop.

Nick441234

People just love to complain.

Before, packs were becoming too diluted so they could never draw the character they wanted. Now, with packs watered down, people complain that they cant get a specific character. How do they win?

We wont really know how this change will work until a few weeks down the line, but if they have plans to rotate the charcters in packs every few weeks, I think its a great system. Any characters I particularly want covers for who aren't in this rotation (Iceman), I've added to my bonus list. The point to the bonus list is to add characters you really, really want. You'd think most would just add the ones who are best on their roster. Clearly, if you add everyone, you aren't changing your chances much from the previous system. Its about being selective now, so select the best guys that are going to help your roster needs the most right now.

broll

nick_chicane wrote:

People just love to complain.

Before, packs were becoming too diluted so they could never draw the character they wanted. Now, with packs watered down, people now complain that they cant get a specific character. How do they win?

*snip*

We told them multiple times. Just make a few LT packs with different characters. Hell I'd be fine otherwise they just made classics all but the other 12.

thisone

So basically the new thing is the vaulting of older 4*, and they sprinkle the bonus heroes on top to make it look more palatable?

Let us pick who we want in the tokens and I will happily eat humble pie.

I hope to god this isnt the new feature they were hyping.

whycantwesyncpc

broll wrote:

nick_chicane wrote:

People just love to complain.

Before, packs were becoming too diluted so they could never draw the character they wanted. Now, with packs watered down, people now complain that they cant get a specific character. How do they win?

Bite me.

We told them multiple times. Just make a few LT packs with different characters. Hell I'd be fine otherwise they just made classics all but the other 12.

That would require them to give a **** about anything other then trying to squeeze as much money as they can out of us. Who cares if the players are happy if enough stick around that we might get a few more pennies?

zodiac339

Okay, good with bad.
Good: been trying to get Hulk leveled past Storm for tanking purposes, but she's stalking me through tokens. Now she's out of tokens and I can just select Hulk as a bonus.
Bad: 1/20 chance IF you get the 1/4 chance of available rares. So, 1 in 80 chance basically. Also, for those heroes who can't be farmed from 2-star rewards and aren't from the 20 available, now they have to be selected as bonus to keep building. Would be nice to select the 20 naturally available, but oh well. They'll still be in vaults, DDQ big enchilada, and featured PVP, so not totally bad.
For Legendaries, basically same as rares, but hey! Venom will stop stalking me now. I've got you at 13 dude. I don't need more covers until every other priority character is Champed. So, see you never maybe?

broll

Lukoil wrote:

broll wrote:

Lukoil wrote:

sinnerjfl wrote:

Vaulting a ton of characters and making them unavailable is a lot more important. You've basically killed your champions
system with this vaulting stuff, way to go!

But you can make them available just by selecting all of them as favorites

So instead of RNG they are now an RNG to an RNG to an RNG. I'm thrilled.

If you don't care what you get from token, then RNG is not the problem here. If you care - now you have controlled RNG and can select specific characters and have 5% to pull them off from tokens.

No you don't. You have a % chance to pull the tier that varies by pack and tier. The you have 5% on that. Then if you have let's say 10 4*s favorited that's a 10% chance on that so like less than a percentage point of controlled RNG. I'm thrilled....

TimGunn

So my question is why limit the 4 stars in pack to the latest 12? Why not 15 or 18? 18 would be a year's worth of 4 stars. Maybe consider doing that if everyone is butt hurt about it.

You can get the older 4 stars from event progression, event placement, the bonus hero, vault packs (including taco) and from 3 star champ levels.

So for 4 star transitioners, just pick the one key char from 4 star tier and have that be your bonus buddy. When you get her covered, move to the next key older 4 star.

This is better. I had a 5/1/5 Iceman for a long time. I emptied a taco vault to make him 5/2/5 and then managed to pull the final blue from a classics (it felt like a true miracle). Bet I would have got him earlier if I had the bonus buddy feature.

For people with a good number of 4 stars champed, pick one of your older champs to be the bonus buddy, and concentrate on champing the new 4 stars

Twysta

Brigby wrote:

What Characters are Available?
Packs that contain 3-Star and 4-Star characters contain a subset of them (packs that contain 1-Star and 2-Stars will continue to include all 1-Stars and 2-Stars). Packs that contain 3-Stars will only include twenty characters. These characters are initially comprised of characters that the Design team has chosen. Packs that contain 4-Stars include the twelve latest released characters. New characters will be added to the packs shortly after they are released (see the section What is the New Character Tag? below for more information). When a new character is added to the packs, the character released the earliest is removed from the pack.

killerkoala

so from reading and looking at info tag in game. the only way to get rulk or any 4* not in last 12 released; is to favorite him or them. they are not in packs from what i see. so in way D3 "vaulted" them.

IamTheDanger

Not posting as a moderator.

I've always been one to defend Demiurge on here. Until today...

Now, I'm willing to wait another week or so before any final decisions, but I'm not holding my breath. This new feature, Bonus Heroes, might be okay for some, but for players like me, NO. Not okay. I have some of the worst, god awful luck with pull rates. I cashed in about one hundred tokens, 100!!, and all I got was one BH. A 3* Thanos. Cashed in 50 heroic, 21 elites and 25 legendary, (which only contained one 5*).

I know some players have some really good luck with RNG, other have decent luck and some just have okay luck. But there are SOOO many, myself included, that have **** RNG luck. I've never had decent luck with pulls. And now, with most characters vaulted, the only way I can get covers for older characters is through RNG based on the RNG of pull luck, of which I have none. How is this a good thing?

And, in rare, (very rare), cases where I actually get a Bonus Hero, I will have to choose between champing an older character or leveling a newer one. If I pick characters I need covers for, then I won't be getting champ levels anymore. **** ?

So now, the only way for the unlucky players like me to get covers is from events. Which means that I'll need to finish t10 in every single event just to get 1 - 3 covers every other month for a single character. Unless of course the whole point of this is to get players to spend a ton of money to get cp so they can buy covers.

From what I've seen so far, BH's flat out stinks. Progression is now based on a multi level RNG. A 5% chance for a cover, that IF you get it, you have a 5% chance for a bonus. Then, there's only a one in three chance it will be the color you want/need.

RNGsus hates me. Always has. And now, my progression will be up to him. You know what that means for me? It means that Bonus Heroes has killed my progression. And I don't know about everyone else, but me, I have absolutely zero interest in playing a game where I do not progress.

Like I said, I'll give it a little more time before making a final decision, but unless my pull rates improve dramatically, (or at least get up to percentages shown), or they introduce some kind of streak breaker and colorless covers, I don't see much hope for the future.

sinnerjfl

nick_chicane wrote:

We wont really know how this change will work until a few weeks down the line, but if they have plans to rotate the charcters in packs every few weeks, I think its a great system. Any characters I particularly want covers for who aren't in this rotation (Iceman), I've added to my bonus list. The point to the bonus list is to add characters you really, really want. You'd think most would just add the ones who are best on their roster. Clearly, if you add everyone, you aren't changing your chances much from the previous system. Its about being selective now, so select the best guys that are going to help your roster needs the most right now.

There is no plan to rotate the characters, all that's planned is vaulting older 4*'s when new 4*'s are added.

Add them to your bonus list? If you open 20 LT's, there's a chance you might get that vaulted character, maybe. Do you realize how long it will take to cover an older 4*?

Lets not even bother with Heroic tokens... 7% chance of a 4*, then 5% of a bonus... yikes.

firethorne

nick_chicane wrote:

People just love to complain.

Before, packs were becoming too diluted so they could never draw the character they wanted. Now, with packs watered down, people complain that they cant get a specific character. How do they win?

We wont really know how this change will work until a few weeks down the line, but if they have plans to rotate the charcters in packs every few weeks, I think its a great system. Any characters I particularly want covers for who aren't in this rotation (Iceman), I've added to my bonus list. The point to the bonus list is to add characters you really, really want. You'd think most would just add the ones who are best on their roster. Clearly, if you add everyone, you aren't changing your chances much from the previous system. Its about being selective now, so select the best guys that are going to help your roster needs the most right now.

Except the one place where the OVERWHELMING amount of complaints came from, dilution of 5*'s in classic draws, is COMPLETELY UNCHANGED.

So, complaints are warranted.

Dayv

Moon Roach wrote:

Isn't it a little worse even than that? From Brigby's original post:

Brigby wrote:

What is the Chance to Get a Bonus Hero?
Each single cover pack has a 5% chance to get a Bonus Hero. Each draw from a 10x and 40x cover pack has a 8% chance to get Bonus Hero. Every time you pull a 3-Star from a Standard Pack you will get an additional 3-Star Bonus Hero.

What Characters Will I Get When I Get a Bonus Hero?
You can get 3-Star, 4-Star, and 5-Star characters from Bonus Heroes. Whenever you draw a Bonus Hero, you will get one of the characters you chose as your favorite character in that rarity. For example, if you draw a 4-Star character and get a Bonus Hero, you will receive one of your favorite 4-Star characters.

As I read these two in combination, if I open a single heroic token, and I get a 2*, I have a 0% chance of a bonus hero. The 5% applies only when I get a 3* or 4*.

This appears to be correct. Since the vast majority of Heroic results will be 2* characters and there are no 2* bonus heroes, the actual chance of a bonus hero from any single Heroic token is approximately 1.5%. [This turned out to be wrong.]

The only token type that has no results which are ineligible for bonus heroes are Legendary Tokens. Therefore, Legendary Tokens are the only tokens that will show the advertised 5% rate on bonus heroes. [This too. Standards are the only Bonus-Hero-eligible one that currently has a rate lower than 5%.]

Edit to add: it has since been stated that bonus hero drop rates are actually 17% on 3* and 4* drops in Heroics, in order to achieve an overall 5% rate there. So my reaction here is a bit overstated. Mea culpa, etc. etc., vaulting covers is still a player-hating disaster.

OneLastGambit

broll wrote:

Lukoil wrote:

broll wrote:

Lukoil wrote:

But you can make them available just by selecting all of them as favorites

So instead of RNG they are now an RNG to an RNG to an RNG. I'm thrilled.

If you don't care what you get from token, then RNG is not the problem here. If you care - now you have controlled RNG and can select specific characters and have 5% to pull them off from tokens.

No you don't. You have a % chance to pull the tier that varies by pack and tier. The you have 5% on that. Then if you have let's say 10 4*s favorited that's a 10% chance on that so like less than a percentage point of controlled RNG. I'm thrilled....[/quote]

You can still earn 4* covers easily in game via progression and placement prizes so the panic is a tad misplaced. Sounds a bit as though you wanted better odds of new characters whilst simultaneously having better odds of old characters too.

Can't have everything my friend and we were all asking for the token pool to stop being diluted and to able to focus the odds both of which they have done.

Jaedenkaal

broll wrote:

No you don't. You have a % chance to pull the tier that varies by pack and tier. The you have 5% on that. Then if you have let's say 10 4*s favorited that's a 10% chance on that so like less than a percentage point of controlled RNG. I'm thrilled....

Well definitely don't have 10 favourites per tier. Have 1. Get them where you want and then pick another.

But yeah, it's not a large chance. It IS more than before (as long as you have 1 favourite. Possibly 2) but it's offset by the loss of "choice" in what you'll get from your regular pulls, which (for 4*s) will be the 12 newest. The increased ability to farm 3*s (from standard tokens, strangely enough) MIGHT make up for that for the 4*s lucky enough to have 3* feeders. Which is probably everyone not in the new 12 camp as well as some of those.