New Feature: Bonus Heroes! *Updated (3/1/17)

Bryan Lambert

If the vaulting affects everyone, but bonus heroes only unlock at CL8, how will that affect the progresdion of newer players?

astrp3

Jarvind wrote:

So, wait, heroic tokens just won't have, for instance, Hulkbuster in them? Like, at all? If I'm reading that correctly, that's incredibly stupid.

If I understand correctly (and I very well may not), your chance of Hulkbuster might go up, depending on how many 4*s you favorite.

My understanding is that with a heroic pull, you now have a 5% chance of getting one of your bonus characters in addition to the cover you pull. The bonus character will be of the same rarity as whatever cover you pull. The chance of getting a 4* is now 3+ times greater than before.

So, under the old system, if the chance of drawing a 4 from a heroic was X (I don't know of a way to see the actual percentages on the iPhone version - if there is one, please let me know), your chance of getting a Hulkbuster was around X/44 (assuming you have an equal chance of getting any 4* and depending on which of the latest 4*s have been added to the heroic store - I assume Coulson isn't in there yet). So if X were 3%, your overall chance of getting Hulkbuster would be 0.067%.

Under the new system, if you had Hulkbuster as your only 4* favorite, your chances of getting him would be .05*3x (it's supposedly more than 3X, but I just used 3). So if X were 3%, your chances of getting Hulkbuster would be 0.45%, which is more than before. If you don't designate any 4* favorites, you chance of getting Hulkbuster would be around (.05*3X)/44, which at X=3%, would be 0.01%, which is less than before.

But as I said, I may well be misunderstanding and may have miscalculated. Also, I'm not sure if you can include the 12 latest 4*s as favorites or not.

stochasticism

Brigby wrote:

Bonus Heroes


Stop by our YouTube channel if you want to hear Demiurge talk about Bonus Heroes even more: Marvel Puzzle Quest Community Video - March 2017

Why is this not it's own post on the forum?

CL based scaling and not roster based! Awesome! (expect it in Spring)
Nerfs still possible but buffs will still be the rule for the most part. ( )
No changes to character release schedule.

Lots of good info in here.

mega ghost

Here's a question:

Brigby wrote:

For 3-Stars, you will be able to get 20 3-Stars chosen by the Design team at Demiurge Studios.

Since new 3* characters are very rare, will the curated list of 3* characters change from time to time? And if so, at what regular intervals should we expect this change to occur? Once a season?

Dayv

cozmo1682 wrote:

So 95% of the time, nothing new is going to happen

And that's only for LTs. For Heroic-type tokens, it's 68% 2* pulls (is that single tokens or 10-packs?), so it's more like 98.5% of the time, there's no bonus.

EDIT TO ADD: This turned out to be wrong. It has since been stated that the bonus hero rate on 3* and 4* drops in Heroics has been tuned higher to balance out to a 5% bonus rate on average, assuming you pull an average number of covers greater than 2*.

I still think it would make more sense for the bonus hero drop chance to be fully independent of other cover results. The cover level rewarded should be set by the token type being pulled, not the value of the cover being rewarded at that moment. Tying the two together makes the lucky luckier, and the unlucky even more unlucky.

BearVenger

Tony Foot wrote:

There will never be a time when I will put ISO into Riri, Venom, wasp and Bishop as someone with 7 4* champs. So why force me down those lines of stink. Plus with my roster I struggle more with the older 4*s than the newer.

My 3*s which I love are coming along nicely, now they have limited those too.

These is a great feature but they have limited how I like to play and which toons I want to level. For the first time in 650 days despite living with cluster **** after cluster **** I'm considering putting the game down. Let me dictate my 3* and 4*s that I want covers for. I am not interested in the 5* game, I am too far behind to care about saddling myself with that MMR, I already can never level all my 4*s because they come out faster than I can make ISO, now you want to limit my draws on the ones I want to play and put ISO into.

To me it feels like a big **** you.

No, it's a LITERAL SLAP IN THE FACE!!i!11 WITH A HAND! THAT WAS SPIT UPON!!1

And don't knock Bishop. He's no Cable, but he's light-years better than Shuma-Gorath.

Jaedenkaal

Tony Foot wrote:

There will never be a time when I will put ISO into Riri, Venom, wasp and Bishop as someone with 7 4* champs. So why force me down those lines of stink. Plus with my roster I struggle more with the older 4*s than the newer.

So... is that because you don't like them, or because they're harder to level You didn't mention Medusa or Carol, I notice.

Look on the bright side. You'll never have to see another (randomly-generated) Elektra, Reed, or Brock Venom cover ever again, if you don't want to.

revskip

Gonna give it a couple of weeks to test it out but it seems to be a way to lessen RNG which is a frequent request here on the forums, as well as a way to much more quickly cover the newest 4*s which is another frequent request here on the forum. Both seem like positives to me, quicker progress into the newer shiny characters like Medusa and Capt Marvel seems like a great idea. So does giving an avenue for finishing an older character like my 5/2/5 Deadpool who is in cover jail for a while now.

Haven't read through the several pages of replies but in keeping with how things usually operate I am sure that its 7 pages of complaints.

smkspy

A lot of good, but also a lot of bad with this. I can focus now on peggy, medusa, and Carol in the 4 star tier. However, despite being able to favor my 14 4 star champs, I have zero incentive to do so because that just takes away from me favoring other older incomplete 4s that I wanted to finish.

For champ levels, I must rely on progression through pve and the ultra rare times that I hit 10 top in pve or progression in pvp.

Add to that, by favoring characters like starlord or X23 that both sit at 5-1-5, I'm just wasting a chance to add covers to much lower characters that I have 4 or less covers in their powers.

And the 5 star chances are still a huge joke. 1-in-7 chance in classic really isn't 1-in-7. I can still pull 14 classic tokens and never a 5 star.

firethorne

DayvBang wrote:

Borstock wrote:

Arphaxad wrote:

How are players supposed to get 4* covers for older champions? Not all of us can finish in the top 10 of slices to get rewards.

By making those characters your "favorites".

And then getting very, very lucky.

I'm assuming they'll still show up in vaults too, be it the overpriced 1000 HP for draw 5 like the current Electra, or just standard event ones like the current Venom: Heroic. I mean, yeah, it will be a bit harder than before. But, still a few options.

MidniteRider7462

xidragonxi wrote:

GrumpySmurf1002 wrote:

Now, one can argue which is better, but the end goal here sure seems like they're trying to flatten out the availability of the tier to create more interest in the newer heroes. That's not a terrible goal honestly, since a big gripe is how irrelevant new releases are currently.

There was an easy solution to this: Put the latest 12 (or whatever the number is) 4* characters in LATEST LEGENDS tokens, and the older 20-30 4* characters in CLASSIC LEGENDS tokens.

Problem solved. Fewer people annoyed. Want the shiny new character? Pony up an extra 5 CP. Want an older one? You got it.

^^ 100% THIS ^^!!!

Jaedenkaal

smkspy wrote:

Add to that, by favoring characters like starlord or X23 that both sit at 5-1-5, I'm just wasting a chance to add covers to much lower characters that I have 4 or less covers in their powers.

In fairness, that's neither better or worse than the previous system. Actually it's probably a little better because you can decide to never see a star-lord or X-23 cover. If you do want to see them, you can (if you want) see them with higher odds than you could yesterday. The chance of getting the colour you want is still only 1/3.

Borstock

DayvBang wrote:

Borstock wrote:

Arphaxad wrote:

How are players supposed to get 4* covers for older champions? Not all of us can finish in the top 10 of slices to get rewards.

By making those characters your "favorites".

And then getting very, very lucky.

You always needed to be very, very lucky to get the exact color cover of the exact character you need.

whycantwesyncpc

revskip wrote:

Gonna give it a couple of weeks to test it out but it seems to be a way to lessen RNG which is a frequent request here on the forums, as well as a way to much more quickly cover the newest 4*s which is another frequent request here on the forum. Both seem like positives to me, quicker progress into the newer shiny characters like Medusa and Capt Marvel seems like a great idea. So does giving an avenue for finishing an older character like my 5/2/5 Deadpool who is in cover jail for a while now.

Haven't read through the several pages of replies but in keeping with how things usually operate I am sure that its 7 pages of complaints.

What about those of us that don't have any well covered 4*'s? It's pure awful that I am going to get punished for not being far along in my roster progression. Can't add champ levels to more than half my 3* characters and can't cover most of the 4*'s. So I now have to add every excluded character to my favorites and dilute a 5% change greatly. So stupid. This should be optional. Huge disservice to those of us that need the stuff being rotated out.

broll

WOW. So you took away the ability to get 4* vs make it easier.



I might be done with this game. This is bull ****...

herm1978

This would be good if we could chose color when we get the bonus cover.

I doubt that I'll select any 4* that I already have maxed two of the colors. That is just begging to get the wrong ones when I get the bonus cover.

mpqr7

Very cool feature! I'm excited to get additional chances at winning more covers. Thank you!!!



My OML is 5/1/5. If I select OML as my favorite, am I guaranteed to win an OML yellow (if I win)? Or I could also win an OML black or red (which won't be helpful for me)?

And I only win a 5* if the draw is for a 5*?

(5*s are all I really care about currently).

tgibbs40

Tony Foot wrote:

Love the feature, absolutely hate that all the characters aren't in there. Put them all back in and let us choose a bonus. Yes RNG can be a pain but it's also been nice bringing along all my 4*s to get to the point where they can complete Crash. Ice is one of my least covered 4* now I have to set him and him alone as my bonus 4* as he's just too top tier to miss out on.

Put them all back in and let us disregard those we don't want because half your new ones I neither want or will ever put ISO into past DDQ level to pass.

I would have to agree with the part I put in bold. Alas, that is not the choice we were given so its pretty obvious they want to push certain characters on us. Some of these new characters I have no interest in.

Coulson, RiRi Williams, Mordo, Medusa...I could go on.

I also realize some of them are very powerful. That doesn't matter to me. Give me terribly designed 3* Spider Man over them any day. At least its Spider Man, a character I've enjoyed for years. Not some "promo" character forced on me.

wymtime

GrumpySmurf1002 wrote:

Definitely didn't see this coming.

This looks like a decent aid for 3/4* characters, but I don't think this helps getting 5s much. I'd have liked to see a 10% bonus rather than 5%.

Good on the devs though for trying something though. Hopefully we'll see improvements on the system as data comes in.

Having 1/2 the 3* removed from tokens seems like an unnecessary addition, however.

I just pulled some classic and pulled. Bruce banner who I listed as a favorite. Actually I pulled a bunch of 4* favorites as well so it will defiantly help with 5*

Jaedenkaal

herm1978 wrote:

This would be good if we could chose color when we get the bonus cover.

I doubt that I'll select any 4* that I already have maxed two of the colors. That is just begging to get the wrong ones when I get the bonus cover.

Again, this is no worse than the previous system. However it does feel weird that the new system doesn't really address this, aside from a (somewhat) higher cover acquisition rate. Perhaps they're still working on that feature separately from this one.

tgibbs40 wrote:

I also realize some of them are very powerful. That doesn't matter to me. Give me terribly designed 3* Spider Man over them any day. At least its Spider Man, a character I've enjoyed for years. Not some "promo" character forced on me.

I have good news for you. Make spider-man your only favorite 3* and you'll get him considerably more often than you did before today.