New Feature: Bonus Heroes! *Updated (3/1/17)

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  • mags1587
    mags1587 Posts: 1,020 Chairperson of the Boards
    Okay, the Bonus Heroes part sounds cool and I'm interested in trying that out.

    The vaulting of older 4*s across the board is HORRIBLE. I mean, really, there's no way to get champ levels on my covered 4*s except through winning the covers in events. That's... I don't understand the reasoning with that at all.

    And for the covers that I am still waiting on (can't get that last Spider-Gwen purple to save my life) -- my only option is waiting until they come around in progression or fighting for a placement spot? Really? I know you could select them as Bonus Heroes, sure, but from what I'm reading you'll be lucky to get a bonus pull in 1 out of 20. And since it's random every time you pull, you could go quite a few more pulls than that before actually getting a bonus hero. Then, once you get a bonus hero, you have to hope it's the color you actually need. I just can't see how that's worth it.

    This is really, really bad. I'd be okay with vaulting 4*s in the Latest Legendaries pack but across the board? Oh, this is not good and I'm unhappy about this change.
  • StarScream
    StarScream Posts: 147 Tile Toppler
    Says every time we open a pack. That means I have to spend money? If so, that is ridiculous.
  • waywreth
    waywreth Posts: 304 Mover and Shaker
    edited March 2017
    Are the bonus hero tiers independent of each other?

    Example - I want a specific 4* so I favorite them. Does making a 3* character(s) a favorite hurt my odds of getting that favorited 4* when I open a Heroic token?

    Edit: Per a post above me the way it works is that if you pull a 4* - you can get a bonus 4*. So you want at least one favorite on each tier.
  • AXP_isme
    AXP_isme Posts: 809 Critical Contributor
    edited March 2017
    So what's happened to the overall chance of drawing a 4* for instance. If the probabliloty has gone up threefold but the amount of 4*s in the packs has gone down to less than a third then overall the chance has decreased...

    Also, we tried vaulting then it was removed. If it was such a great idea why did we get rid of it before? Alternatively if it didn't work before what makes anyone think it will be a success this time? It feels like we're creating a black hole for characters to fall into from which they'll never return. Seriously, how do I now get the final carnage cover I'm missing. This doesn't feel like it's been thought through.
  • Wjohnson992
    Wjohnson992 Posts: 175 Tile Toppler
    aesthetocyst wrote:
    Wjohnson992 wrote:
    Ok so if I favourite say Hulkbuster and Iceman they will get added to packs. If I pull Hulkbuster I will then get another cover of a favourite 4* (ie. Hulkbuster OR Iceman?)


    Is that it?

    No. They do not get added to packs.

    If you pull any other 4*, you will have a 5% chance to draw one of your favorite 4*s. A randomly selected one of your favorite 4s.
    So if I spend 20CP on a classic legend and get say Medusa/Peggy I will THEN get Hulkbuster or Iceman?
  • waywreth
    waywreth Posts: 304 Mover and Shaker
    StarScream wrote:
    Says every time we open a pack. That means I have to spend money? If so, that is ridiculous.

    No - I favorited a few 3* and opened 10 elite tokens, and got 2 bonus covers for those selected 3*.
  • Vhailorx
    Vhailorx Posts: 6,085 Chairperson of the Boards
    Am i missing something, or should i only select 5* favorites when opening LTs?

    In-game the new odds pages suggest that i still have a 1:20 chance of pulling a favorite, whether my favorite pool is populated by 5*s or 4*s and 5*s.

    Also, demi: not sure about the switch stating odds as ratios (X:Y) rather than percentages. 3.67% seems a lit more precise than ~1:25.

    Overall i appreciate the desire to give players more agency over their roster development; that is a much needed change. BUT, like many others i am concerned by the long term implications of removing older characters from tokens.

    And this is clearly MUCH too big a change to push out with just a few hours notice. Players should have known about this change at least a week in advance.
  • alaeth
    alaeth Posts: 446 Mover and Shaker
    Wjohnson992 wrote:
    aesthetocyst wrote:
    Wjohnson992 wrote:
    Ok so if I favourite say Hulkbuster and Iceman they will get added to packs. If I pull Hulkbuster I will then get another cover of a favourite 4* (ie. Hulkbuster OR Iceman?)


    Is that it?

    No. They do not get added to packs.

    If you pull any other 4*, you will have a 5% chance to draw one of your favorite 4*s. A randomly selected one of your favorite 4s.
    So if I spend 20CP on a classic legend and get say Medusa/Peggy I will THEN get Hulkbuster or Iceman?
    That's my understanding... yes... 5% chance at Hulkbuster or Iceman.
  • mindsuckr
    mindsuckr Posts: 154
    This works for standards as well. Pulled a 3 BPanther and got a bonus 3Strange cover from it.
  • alaeth
    alaeth Posts: 446 Mover and Shaker
    Vhailorx wrote:
    Am i missing something, or should i only select 5* favorites when opening LTs?

    In-game the new odds pages suggest that i still have a 1:20 chance of pulling a favorite, whether my favorite pool is populated by 5*s or 4*s and 5*s.

    Also, demi: not sure about the switch stating odds as ratios (X:Y) rather than percentages. 3.67% seems a lit more precise than ~1:25.

    Overall i appreciate the desire to give players more agency over their roster development; that is a much needed change. BUT, like many others i am concerned by the long term implications of removing older characters from tokens.

    And this is clearly MUCH too big a change to push out with just a few hours notice. Players should have known about this change at least a week in advance.
    You're missing that the 5% BOUNS matches the star level of what you pulled...

    So you pull a 5* Thanos, and get a BONUS 5* OML.

    But if you didn't have a 4* favorited, if you pull a 4* Medusa you get a RNG bonus 4*...
  • Vhailorx
    Vhailorx Posts: 6,085 Chairperson of the Boards
    AXP_isme wrote:
    So what's happened to the overall chance of drawing a 4* for instance. If the probabliloty has gone up threefold but the amount of 4*s in the packs has gone down to less than a third then overall the chance has decreased...

    That was just tricky marketing hype, the chance of pulling A 4* is the same. But by removing almost 75% of all 4*s from tokens, the chance of pulling a PARTICULAR 4* went up dramatically.
  • Borstock
    Borstock Posts: 2,805 Chairperson of the Boards
    waywreth wrote:
    Are the bonus hero tiers independent of each other?

    Example - I want a specific 4* so I favorite them. Does making a 3* character(s) a favorite hurt my odds of getting that favorited 4* when I open a Heroic token?

    The way they worded it, my interpretation is that the tiers are independent.
  • BatteryHorse
    BatteryHorse Posts: 124 Tile Toppler
    Haven't seen OML since he switched to classic legends? Make him your favourite and just keep pulling Latest Legends.

    Just for clarity, I think if you want OML your best strategy is now to mark him as your fav 5* and pull classics. The CP cost is lower, obviously, you have a very small chance of pulling OML outright, and since the potential bonus triggers when you get any 5* from a pull your odds should be slightly higher by drawing from classics.

    I think. I'm probably missing something though, if history is any guide.
  • GrumpySmurf1002
    GrumpySmurf1002 Posts: 3,511 Chairperson of the Boards
    Arphaxad wrote:
    Then, the real mistake, they limit the available 4*s!! Who thought this was a good idea? How are players supposed to get 4* covers for older champions? Not all of us can finish in the top 10 of slices to get rewards.

    By favoriting them (or pulling them from vaults, which are unaffected by the change).

    Prior: For every 40 pulls, you get (on average) 34 4*. Over whatever the number is (40? 45?), you get one of 3/4 of them
    Current: For every 40 pulls, now you get (on average) 36 4*, that's just under 3 of each of the newest 12, plus 2 of whatever you pick.

    Now, one can argue which is better, but the end goal here sure seems like they're trying to flatten out the availability of the tier to create more interest in the newer heroes. That's not a terrible goal honestly, since a big gripe is how irrelevant new releases are currently.
  • StarScream
    StarScream Posts: 147 Tile Toppler
    waywreth wrote:
    StarScream wrote:
    Says every time we open a pack. That means I have to spend money? If so, that is ridiculous.

    No - I favorited a few 3* and opened 10 elite tokens, and got 2 bonus covers for those selected 3*.

    It works for individual tokens. Good. I'm that case, great feature. Maybe I can now take Galactus all the way down next time.
  • Dragon_Nexus
    Dragon_Nexus Posts: 3,701 Chairperson of the Boards
    Arphaxad wrote:
    D3 may have just killed MPQ icon_e_sad.gif

    "Classic Legendary Stores contain all but the three latest 5-Stars and cost 20 Command Points per draw." - how are newer player supposed to get the older 5*s?

    You're mis-reading it.
    The classic legendary works just the same. It has all the 5*s in it *except* the three latest ones.
  • Jaedenkaal
    Jaedenkaal Posts: 3,357 Chairperson of the Boards
    Vhailorx wrote:
    Am i missing something, or should i only select 5* favorites when opening LTs?

    In-game the new odds pages suggest that i still have a 1:20 chance of pulling a favorite, whether my favorite pool is populated by 5*s or 4*s and 5*s.

    Also, demi: not sure about the switch stating odds as ratios (X:Y) rather than percentages. 3.67% seems a lit more precise than ~1:25.

    Overall i appreciate the desire to give players more agency over their roster development; that is a much needed change. BUT, like many others i am concerned by the long term implications of removing older characters from tokens.

    And this is clearly MUCH too big a change to push out with just a few hours notice. Players should have known about this change at least a week in advance.

    When you open a latest legends and get a bonus cover, if you open a 4* character you'll get your 4* favourite (or among them, if you've chosen more than one). If you open a 5*, you're get your 5* favourite (or among them, if you've chosen more than one). If you haven't chosen a favourite for that tier level, you'll get a random cover of that tier.
  • GrumpySmurf1002
    GrumpySmurf1002 Posts: 3,511 Chairperson of the Boards
    Vhailorx wrote:
    Am i missing something, or should i only select 5* favorites when opening LTs?

    You only get a bonus from the tier you pull. If the bonus hero triggers on a 4* pull, you'll get anything in the 4* tier if you don't have a 4* favorited.
  • alaeth
    alaeth Posts: 446 Mover and Shaker
    Rats, can't favorite Bagman... he's the only non-Champed one I have rostered icon_e_sad.gif
  • Vhailorx
    Vhailorx Posts: 6,085 Chairperson of the Boards
    Jaedenkaal wrote:
    Vhailorx wrote:
    Am i missing something, or should i only select 5* favorites when opening LTs?

    In-game the new odds pages suggest that i still have a 1:20 chance of pulling a favorite, whether my favorite pool is populated by 5*s or 4*s and 5*s.

    Also, demi: not sure about the switch stating odds as ratios (X:Y) rather than percentages. 3.67% seems a lit more precise than ~1:25.

    Overall i appreciate the desire to give players more agency over their roster development; that is a much needed change. BUT, like many others i am concerned by the long term implications of removing older characters from tokens.

    And this is clearly MUCH too big a change to push out with just a few hours notice. Players should have known about this change at least a week in advance.

    When you open a latest legends and get a bonus cover, if you open a 4* character you'll get your 4* favourite (or among them, if you've chosen more than one). If you open a 5*, you're get your 5* favourite (or among them, if you've chosen more than one). If you haven't chosen a favourite for that tier level, you'll get a random cover of that tier.

    Then the in-game odds page is completely misleading.

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