New Feature: Bonus Heroes! *Updated (3/1/17)

whycantwesyncpc

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I'm going to have to ask you to explain exactly how your gameplan before this feature was better. As I just explained, going by pure chance, it would take you literal thousands of tokens to get a given 4* that you want to champ to 13 covers. (In all fairness, it's much less than that because we can also get covers from 3* champs and placement and progression rewards in events, but that's something that counts towards both models.) The only negative change that you can point to is that you now will feel "forced" to roster the newest 4*s since you'll be drawing them more regularly (solution: sell your old, bad 4* characters that have 2 or less covers to make room for them since you won't be able to randomly draw them anymore, anyway). Other than that, your gameplan towards transition has improved as you can surgically target which old 4*s you want to advance. Think that choosing only 1 will break your scaling? Then pick 3 or 5. It will be slower, but still, more reliable than the old method allowed.[/quote]

I haven't really started on the 4* yet, but I figure I will do it the same way I did 3* characters and go by what I get. Eventually I will start leveling, likely enough to bring them to a comparable level to my 3* so I don't screw up scaling, eventually I'll max out and champ based on what I've got. I'm not one of the people that wants to rush to be stuck using 3 characters for everything and Not looking forward to being stuck with lots of unusable covers because I'm locked out the non-chosen ones and don't have to resources to either roster or lvl the chosen ones. I am not selling anyone, and if I would it would be fake characters like Peggy or marvels dumb **** like spider-Gwen/gwenpool and TA hulk. Don't care about the quality in game

Vhailorx

zulux21 wrote:

Aside from this initial period where there are suddenly 12 characters that have much higher odds it won't be much of an issue. and in general the new characters are more useful than most of the older ones anyways so you want to be focusing on champing them to remain competitive.

but sure you might miss out on a few champ rewards during the process, you will also however have more iso because of it since 5% of the time worst case you just get bonus iso in the form of a cover.

I mean missing champ rewards is sad, but at the same time everyone always complains that it is iso iso iso they need, and champ levels don't give you extra iso, just other things, this system does increase iso a bit as well as allow you to focus on certain characters.

in the long run this should be better for pretty much everyone. But hey that is just my view. I still won't give this company a penny due to them still screwing over steam users, but I really don't get the anger with this change. I suppose people just like to hate change.

4* champ levels don't offer iso? I direct you, sir or madam, to champ level 273, which offers 2.5k iso. And the rewards only go up from there. Selling a 4* cover is always a net loss relative to a 4* champ level. You are losing out on 2.5k or more iso, 50 or more HP, 3 or more CP, or an LT. And this change will result in many players losing out on a pretty large number of champ levels over time. Yes, it's nice to be able to target specific character. But the favorites system did not have to be tied to this token pool change. They are unrelated systems. And the net effect for players is probably a slight to moderate negative (though it's still early. things could definitely turn out to be a bit better or worse than I anticipate). But please don't just look at the best elements of this change and say "I like those, so the change must be good."

Demi has done this before. Remember when they changed the scoring/scaling system in PVE? And half the players said "I like that I don't see lower point totals if I grind consecutively now, so this is good," and the other half said "but wait, anyone who wanted top 50 before could do it while playing on any schedule even with the old system, so the only effect this change has is to make top 20 grinders play an even more demanding grinding schedule." And now what do we have now? A more demanding grind schedule, and anyone who wants top 50 can get it playing however they want . . just like they could before the change. Demi almost always ties bad news to some other, shiny bit of good news. Don't let them distract you from the whole picture.

And note: the 5* odds are still 15%. For some stupid reason demi decided to switch to listing the odds as ratios, and ~1:7 (NOT 1:7, but ~1:7) is the closest whole number approximation of 15% that keeps a "1" in the numerator.

jredd

zulux21 wrote:

Roguewookie26 wrote:

So after reading the new breakdown. This is still one of the worst ideas in a long history if bad ideas by this game. They basically said in the breakdown they mislead everyone with the bonus cover percentages. Was that common core math? And all this 1 in 20 stuff sound great. But its an independant chance each time. You could pull 100 4* and never get a bonus cover. .

its very basic math and called odds.
go buy a lotto scratch off ticket sometime. they will break down your odds there to saying that you have a 1:9 chance of getting $1 ect and like a 1:4.61 overall.

buying 5 tickets doesn't mean you will have at least one winner, it means over the entire run of the whole game that every 1 in 4.61 tickets you should have a winner.

it's just how lotto odds are done.
it's not suddenly different than having a 15% chance for a 5* as before, they just have it represented in odds instead of percent (for 5* they have 1 in 7 which is actually a little over 14% but still.

jredd wrote:

how are we to continue to add champ levels to characters who no longer appear in the token pool?

by making them a favorite character so when you get a bonus cover their cover will show up?

why would i do that? if i'm getting a bonus cover i'd like to get it for a character i still need covers for. get a champ level cover for an old character. then get a bonus cover for the new one. that makes more sense to me.

jredd

Vhailorx wrote:

the favorites system did not have to be tied to this token pool change.

pretty much this.

zulux21

Vhailorx wrote:

4* champ levels don't offer iso? I direct you, sir or madam, to champ level 273, which offers 2.5k iso. And the rewards only go up from there. Selling a 4* cover is always a net loss relative to a 4* champ level.

over the entire run of a 4* champ you only earn enough extra iso compared to selling to cover the original champ charge you paid. thus why I said champ levels don't give you iso, because in the long run they don't, they give you the iso you normally would get for selling the covers.

you will get a little bit of extra iso overall from champing due to selling tokens and what not, but it doesn't straight up give you more iso then merely selling covers in the long run. you will easily get more overall iso from selling bonus covers from the new system then you would from champ levels.

now I won't disagree that champ levels aren't worth it, the other resources are great. but in the long run those other resources are meaningless as it all comes down to iso.

so if you want to talk strictly the long run, the new system that nets you a little bit more iso compared to champ levels would be better no?

I mean for me I am trying to keep a nice balanced roster and this limited token thing is really going to screw up my 3 stars but w/e overall it means I can actually build the characters I want, and maybe before the game shuts down I can actually get an OML red cover now. before I wasn't sure I could.

zulux21

jredd wrote:

how are we to continue to add champ levels to characters who no longer appear in the token pool?

by making them a favorite character so when you get a bonus cover their cover will show up?[/quote]

why would i do that? if i'm getting a bonus cover i'd like to get it for a character i still need covers for. get a champ level cover for an old character. then get a bonus cover for the new one. that makes more sense to me.[/quote]

and that is your choice. just saying if you want more champ levels of a given character you can do that with the favorites system.

edit: odd. I could have sworn I was in the edit not a new post o.O

jredd wrote:

Vhailorx wrote:

the favorites system did not have to be tied to this token pool change.

pretty much this.

the favorite system is clearly introduced as a way to be able to do the token pool change. a change that has been needed for a long time as the pools are getting to diluted.

yes they could have done something like the favorites on their own and if they did it may have been better. but it's still an in general improvement even for old characters for getting what you want (higher odds than the whole pool being there), and overall an improvement for getting more 3-5* characters.

jredd

another question. if we were to pull a 6th specific colour cover for a 5* from a bonus draw will qs change the colour of the cover for us? or because it's a 'bonus draw' we should just be happy with the 2000 iso...

whycantwesyncpc

zulux21 wrote:

Vhailorx wrote:

4* champ levels don't offer iso? I direct you, sir or madam, to champ level 273, which offers 2.5k iso. And the rewards only go up from there. Selling a 4* cover is always a net loss relative to a 4* champ level.

over the entire run of a 4* champ you only earn enough extra iso compared to selling to cover the original champ charge you paid. thus why I said champ levels don't give you iso, because in the long run they don't, they give you the iso you normally would get for selling the covers.

you will get a little bit of extra iso overall from champing due to selling tokens and what not, but it doesn't straight up give you more iso then merely selling covers in the long run. you will easily get more overall iso from selling bonus covers from the new system then you would from champ levels.

now I won't disagree that champ levels aren't worth it, the other resources are great. but in the long run those other resources are meaningless as it all comes down to iso.

so if you want to talk strictly the long run, the new system that nets you a little bit more iso compared to champ levels would be better no?

I mean for me I am trying to keep a nice balanced roster and this limited token thing is really going to screw up my 3 stars but w/e overall it means I can actually build the characters I want, and maybe before the game shuts down I can actually get an OML red cover now. before I wasn't sure I could.

Actually champing does help gain extra iso. Every champ level gives xp towards shield ranks, selling covers doesn't. every rank gives a nice chunk of iso. Again, why do we have to be locked out of more than half the characters available to pick someone to focus on. They wanted to lock the roster to try and force people into buying roster spots for the chosen 12. The bonus hero part (these are two separate things) was to keep people from revolting. I can think of at least 2 way they could do this that would make everyone in the player base happy. (although it wouldn't make the people trying to force us to buy roster spots any happier, so I guess they would never work due to not fitting the greed requirement)

shusheshe

While getting a 'bonus' is nice, this system puts early/mid 4* vet transitioners in an incredibly awkward position. I am well aware that I'm lucky that I've got certain top tier, 'older' 4*s champed/done already like iceman, 4cyclops, teen!jean, red hulk. But I'm still missing some good ones like quake and max!pun.

So I'm supposed to depend solely on bonus heroes, progression and placement from now on? Or whale it from the vaults?

zulux21

whycantwesyncpc wrote:

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Actually champing does help gain extra iso. Every champ level gives xp towards shield ranks, selling covers doesn't. every rank gives a nice chunk of iso. Again, why do we have to be locked out of more than half the characters available to pick someone to focus on. They wanted to lock the roster to try and force people into buying roster spots for the chosen 12. The bonus hero part (these are two separate things) was to keep people from revolting. I can think of at least 2 way they could do this that would make everyone in the player base happy. (although it wouldn't make the people trying to force us to buy roster spots any happier, so I guess they would never work due to not fitting the greed requirement)

fair enough on the champ thing (though even with that I think statistically the new system comes out a bit ahead as you will still only get like a one third to half of a shield level fully champing one 4*), but as for this being strictly focused on getting people to buy roster slots. I think that is just missing the point of this move.

this is clearly to work on fixing the diluted character pool.
before this change it was basically impossible to build a new character from 20CP draws (and other various draws not related to just whaling a character bonus odds token) now you can actually build new characters.

it's really not hard to get hp for roster slots at all. If a casual player like me can do it no problem, any serious player should have enough hp that it should be almost trivial to get a few roster slots if they don't buy tokens with HP.

jredd

zulux21 wrote:

jredd wrote:

how are we to continue to add champ levels to characters who no longer appear in the token pool?

by making them a favorite character so when you get a bonus cover their cover will show up?

why would i do that? if i'm getting a bonus cover i'd like to get it for a character i still need covers for. get a champ level cover for an old character. then get a bonus cover for the new one. that makes more sense to me.[/quote]

and that is your choice. just saying if you want more champ levels of a given character you can do that with the favorites system.

edit: odd. I could have sworn I was in the edit not a new post o.O

jredd wrote:

Vhailorx wrote:

the favorites system did not have to be tied to this token pool change.

pretty much this.

the favorite system is clearly introduced as a way to be able to do the token pool change. a change that has been needed for a long time as the pools are getting to diluted.

yes they could have done something like the favorites on their own and if they did it may have been better. but it's still an in general improvement even for old characters for getting what you want (higher odds than the whole pool being there), and overall an improvement for getting more 3-5* characters.[/quote]

while i will agree that the amount of 4* were causing some dilution, why not separate legendaries into 'latest' 'regular or just legendary' and then a 'classic'; put all the oldies in a separate pool and have it a 15 or 20 cp draw.

Vhailorx

Do you want a level 370 Rulk? Now it is EASIER to achieve that than before. Take a moment and do the maths for yourself and tell me the estimate of pulls you'd need to get a 100 Rulks under the old model. I'll wait. (And yes, I know that you mean more than just Rulk but still, ask yourself how many of the pulls towards max-champing Rulk and all the other good characters would be "wasted" on the characters that you don't really care that much for under the previous model.)

It's the bold part of your sentence where we part ways. I don't just want a single 370. I want a bunch of them. Under the old system, the only characters for whom I "wasted" a cover were those that I would not be able to champ fast enough for lack of iso. I was happy to get a champ level for any 4*. Hell, I even champed Fantastic when I had 6 expiring covers for him and no other clearly superior 4*s waiting to be champed. champing was a fairly player-friendly addition to the game, because it mitigated the downside of RNG token pulls. Now every character could potentially be turned into a useful resource farm with an initial iso investment. And the more you champed characters, the more productive tokens became.

My concern is that the new system will give me a nice 5% boost of targeted covers (yay!) but also turn an extra 15% or 20% of my 4* token pulls into unusable "wastes" because I can't champ the newest characters fast enough. That would be a net negative (Boo!).

Now it's possible that once we are 6 or 9 months into this system, it will turn out that I can collect 13 covers and enough iso to level a new 4* fast enough that I won't be overly burdened by the new system. And if it turns out to be true, then the new system may be more positive than I suspect, but I am a little skeptical. I would not be surprised if, in the long run, the net result of these changes was that where a player may once have had 40 4* champs at an average level of 300, the same player would now end up with something like 5-10 4* champs at level 350, and 30-35 champs at level 280. and I would personally prefer the former.

whycantwesyncpc

zulux21 wrote:

whycantwesyncpc wrote:

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Actually champing does help gain extra iso. Every champ level gives xp towards shield ranks, selling covers doesn't. every rank gives a nice chunk of iso. Again, why do we have to be locked out of more than half the characters available to pick someone to focus on. They wanted to lock the roster to try and force people into buying roster spots for the chosen 12. The bonus hero part (these are two separate things) was to keep people from revolting. I can think of at least 2 way they could do this that would make everyone in the player base happy. (although it wouldn't make the people trying to force us to buy roster spots any happier, so I guess they would never work due to not fitting the greed requirement)

fair enough on the champ thing (though even with that I think statistically the new system comes out a bit ahead as you will still only get like a one third to half of a shield level fully champing one 4*), but as for this being strictly focused on getting people to buy roster slots. I think that is just missing the point of this move.

this is clearly to work on fixing the diluted character pool.
before this change it was basically impossible to build a new character from 20CP draws (and other various draws not related to just whaling a character bonus odds token) now you can actually build new characters.

it's really not hard to get hp for roster slots at all. If a casual player like me can do it no problem, any serious player should have enough hp that it should be almost trivial to get a few roster slots if they don't buy tokens with HP.

Only so much from champ levels on 1 4*, but what about champ levels from multiple characters. When you have trouble getting those champ levels for 3* that aren't worthy of being available it really hurts. Why do resources have to be taken away for something like this to happen?

No, this was not put in place to dilute the character pool. They can give you ways to get the characters you want without locking out over half the characters from those that want them. With the 4*'s why not split them like they do with the 5*? Why not let use just pick the ones to favorite as the bonuses alone would still help people get what they want if they want specific ones. Why limit token to only the 12 most recent only? Simple, this forces new character on you on a regular basis, plain and simple. It's nice you don't have a problem getting the hp. I'm a casual player too and I do have trouble. So I guess I'm not worthy of pulling tokens

Why split the 3 stars at all? They've added what, 2 in the last 2 years? Makes no sense other then to reduce champ rewards, which reduces 4* covers and hp's gained. Oh, making it tougher to keep up. Fork up the cash or get lost.

zulux21

whycantwesyncpc wrote:

With the 4*'s why not split them like they do with the 5*? Why not let use just pick the ones to favorite as the bonuses alone would still help people get what they want if they want specific ones. Why limit token to only the 12 most recent only? Simple, this forces new character on you on a regular basis, plain and simple. It's nice you don't have a problem getting the hp. I'm a casual player too and I do have trouble. So I guess I'm not worthy of pulling tokens

Why split the 3 stars at all? They've added what, 2 in the last 2 years? Makes no sense other then to reduce champ rewards, which reduces 4* covers and hp's gained. Oh, making it tougher to keep up. Fork up the cash or get lost.

really the 5* pool is just as much screwed up as the 4 star pool. with the low odds to get a 5* getting a classic 5* covered was going to be basically impossible anymore. the new way will help make sure you can at least slowly progress a 5* of your choosing. as for why limit it to 12.... well that means that character will be featured for about 6 months. as a casual player this should make you super happy as that is a good amount of time to get some pulls in. you can get what 10-20 pulls from the clash, and like 20 pulls from CP giving you a decent chance of getting at least one of each cover for the character. it's to allow people to actually build up new characters in a timely manor instead of taking forever (or needing to whale it).

and yes as a casual player you either have to choose to spend HP to buy roster slots or spend it on pulling tokens, you aren't worthy to be able to do both since you are a casual player.

as for why split the 3*s. I imagine that we are going to see a few more 3* added this year, likely paired up with some more 5* versions as they tend to go over fairly well. thus they are just prepping for that.

I don't see how limiting the 3* pool reduces champ rewards though. it allows you to go through those 20 3* easier, and build up some high level 3* more quickly. you get champ rewards for all of those, and if you reach max level on them you can always just start farming them like 2* *shrugs*

I am not saying the change is perfect, but in general it seems to be a step in the right direction. and I won't say that they couldn't do it better for the players, they could, but they have to balance that line where players are happy and they can still make money and keep people playing. the people in this forum seem upset, but my entire alliance is happy with the change as is all of my other friends that play *shrugs*

edit: I should note, at the very least they should introduce something like a legacy 20CP draw (aka have two different 20cp draws the current one and this one) that strictly has the retired characters and the 5*s. as that would fix most of the complaints I think.

whycantwesyncpc

zulux21 wrote:

whycantwesyncpc wrote:

With the 4*'s why not split them like they do with the 5*? Why not let use just pick the ones to favorite as the bonuses alone would still help people get what they want if they want specific ones. Why limit token to only the 12 most recent only? Simple, this forces new character on you on a regular basis, plain and simple. It's nice you don't have a problem getting the hp. I'm a casual player too and I do have trouble. So I guess I'm not worthy of pulling tokens

Why split the 3 stars at all? They've added what, 2 in the last 2 years? Makes no sense other then to reduce champ rewards, which reduces 4* covers and hp's gained. Oh, making it tougher to keep up. Fork up the cash or get lost.

really the 5* pool is just as much screwed up as the 4 star pool. with the low odds to get a 5* getting a classic 5* covered was going to be basically impossible anymore. the new way will help make sure you can at least slowly progress a 5* of your choosing. as for why limit it to 12.... well that means that character will be featured for about 6 months. as a casual player this should make you super happy as that is a good amount of time to get some pulls in. you can get what 10-20 pulls from the clash, and like 20 pulls from CP giving you a decent chance of getting at least one of each cover for the character. it's to allow people to actually build up new characters in a timely manor instead of taking forever.

and yes as a casual player you either have to choose to spend HP to buy roster slots or spend it on pulling tokens, you aren't worthy to be able to do both since you are a casual player.

as for why split the 3*s. I imagine that we are going to see a few more 3* added this year, likely paired up with some more 5* versions as they tend to go over fairly well. thus they are just prepping for that.

I don't see how limiting the 3* pool reduces champ rewards though. it allows you to go through those 20 3* easier, and build up some high level 3* more quickly. you get champ rewards for all of those, and if you reach max level on them you can always just start farming them like 2* *shrugs*

I am not saying the change is perfect, but in general it seems to be a step in the right direction.

Again, another person that doesn't seem to get the reality that a lot of us face. 10-20 pulls from clash? The only character I've ever stood a chance with is prof x due to his invisibility. I'm not getting 10-20 pulls. I've got like 30 cp on my account, and my only sources are 2 from the new ddq if I have the right characters and maybe 5 from pve and champ rewards, which will be less with over half the pool being unworthy and locked away. Not getting much from that. I've got **** luck, so odds are any pulls I do make are going to be for someone I don't particularly want or don't have a roster spot for.

I don't spend HP on token pulls with the only exception being an especially great vault like the last anniversary vault.

Yes, allows me to go through 20 3* characters faster while virtually killing any progress with the other 22. Want to use them? Oh, they are going to suck because my roster is now all screwed up because I can't level evenly at all. Great, even more screwed up scaling.

I still don't get, why do we have to loose over half the characters to give someone an extra shot at getting a 5* cover? Makes no sense other than as a cash grab, because there are multiple ways this could have been done competently without being a big FU to a sizeable portion of the player base. Bonus heros was clearly put in to make vaulting more than half the roster palatable to enough people to keep a full scale riot from happened. The general idea of working on what can be pulled and what you get is a good idea, but the implementation was done the dumbest way humanly possible. That's because it wasn't for the players or the game, but pure greed.

zulux21

whycantwesyncpc wrote:

Again, another person that doesn't seem to get the reality that a lot of us face. 10-20 pulls from clash? The only character I've ever stood a chance with is prof x due to his invisibility. I'm not getting 10-20 pulls. I've got like 30 cp on my account, and my only sources are 2 from the new ddq if I have the right characters and maybe 5 from pve and champ rewards, which will be less with over half the pool being unworthy and locked away. Not getting much from that. I've got **** luck, so odds are any pulls I do make are going to be for someone I don't particularly want or don't have a roster spot for.

I don't spend HP on token pulls with the only exception being an especially great vault like the last anniversary vault.

Yes, allows me to go through 20 3* characters faster while virtually killing any progress with the other 22. Want to use them? Oh, they are going to suck because my roster is now all screwed up because I can't level evenly at all. Great, even more screwed up scaling.

I still don't get, why do we have to loose over half the characters to give someone an extra shot at getting a 5* cover? Makes no sense other than as a cash grab, because there are multiple ways this could have been done competently without being a big FU to a sizeable portion of the player base. Bonus heros was clearly put in to make vaulting more than half the roster palatable to enough people to keep a full scale riot from happened. The general idea of working on what can be pulled and what you get is a good idea, but the implementation was done the dumbest way humanly possible. That's because it wasn't for the players or the game, but pure greed.

ah so you are where I was at about a year ago in regards to 4 stars.
im on day 1153 so I often forget to take into account players about a year behind, progress is still a lot quicker now than it used to be to 4 star land.

but yeah you won't get them from the clash but you still still get the 2cp on a good number of days as long as you have the characters, and you also will get CP from 2/3 star champ levels and from log in rewards.

the point being you are a perfect person for this change to help. yes it sucks that it will be harder for you to get the older characters, but really you were never going to be able to finish them anyways given how rare you pull a 4 star and how rare it was to get any given character. with the change you might actually get some useable new 4* that can win their clash when it is their turn and help you move fully into 4*.

I mean if you don't have many usable 4* this is way better as it will help you build up some actual 4* much quicker than the previous system. I remember when I could barely do the clash, but since CP was introduced and I have had time to pull from that I built up things a decent amount. though there will be a huge disconnect between the clash and characters now though that they will need to address. as a focus on new characters goes way against how the clashes currently work.

I mean to be fair it's not like characters are being removed from vaults, so you can always get them from tacos and what not.

as I said, the new system isn't without issue, but it's not nearly as horrible as some of you are trying to make it out to be. we will also have to see what else they have to offer, as the last time they made a huge change like this they had a few other changes that same month as well.

Tintaiwan

I was excited to about the bonus heroes at first. Finally a way to target a hero you have wanted to champion or level up. Instead of just random luck.

But by removing the older heroes from the token you make it harder to level them up.

only finding them in a vault means, if they are there, a 1 in 300 chance for a four star. OR 1/300 for some stars or maybe 5/300 (1/60)

but you say you would have a 1/20 in of pulling a bonus hero with our new system. Well, if I have to split that between >30 retired 4 stars >20 retired 3 stars then that makes the odds 1/20 times 1/50 or about 1/100.

It really does not seem to up the odds at all of getting what you want are really much better.

for now reducing my review score in itunes store. encouraging others to do the same

monsieurmojo

Terrific system. I've now pulled 50 tokens (40 classic or latest) today with chances at 3* characters or higher, and not. one. bonus.

But hey... the upside here is that Riri is max covered now!

carrion_pigeons

Largely a good change, including the vaulting. 4*s should cycle through LTs fast enough to not be a gigantic imbalance for some characters over others. Long term, this change will make PvP kinda weird, in that old characters will fade out of use, instead of entrench themselves the way it works now. Seems like a nice thing to look forward to, since it will make PvP a lot more diverse.

It doesn't work super well with the championing system, though. It makes it much easier to cover newer characters, but correspondingly makes it harder to get champ levels. That's going to have some major consequences on the economy of the game, some good and some bad.

The list of 3*s seems like it isn't actually based on age. Loki and Spider-Man are some of the oldest 3*s in the game, and Bullseye is the third most recent, and is missing. Is it based on general popularity? I can see Spider-Man being popular even if he isn't especially good. Does this mean reduced chances for vaulted characters to get reworks? No Punisher buff imminent, I guess? On the other hand, does this mean Spidey *is* likely to get buffed?

My Magneto and Thor (my two highest level 3*s) are kinda sad that they'll be falling behind now. But I guess whatever. More KK and Cyclops levels are ultimately probably more useful. I may be singing a different toon if we ever get to the point where several of the non-vaulted 3*s are getting maxchamped and I still have multiple champed characters with no potential at all to get champ covers. It would be nice if favorite characters would be added to the pool of regular pulls as well as bonus pools. Seems like that would solve a lot of problems.

carlito666

I choose 4* cpt marvel needed 4 covers and got them all yesterday. time to champ her